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quoted 1 line ===== Original Message From Aaron S Michelson <asm2+@andrew.cmu.edu> =====

>===== Original Message From Aaron S Michelson <asm2+@andrew.cmu.edu> =====

quoted 2 lines Sean Booth and Rob Brown continue to push their machinery

>Sean Booth and Rob Brown continue to push their machinery >into questionable realms of polyrhythmic trickery.

Excuse me if I come across as a) a pedant and b) a smart ass, but I can't think of a single track by Autechre that's polyrhythmic. Syncopated, yes, often very, but always only one time signature at any given time, so far as I can tell. The use of "polyrhythmic" to mean "layered rhythms" or "rhythmically complicated" is one of my pet peeves. A bit like when "4 4" used to mean "a kick on every beat". But, hey, the meaning of a word is most usefully defined by its current usage, I guess, so I'll calm down and shut up. :) Michael np. Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite -+- Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 06/02/2000 16:19, Michael Upton said in living color:

quoted 17 lines ===== Original Message From Aaron S Michelson <asm2+@andrew.cmu.edu> =====

>> ===== Original Message From Aaron S Michelson <asm2+@andrew.cmu.edu> ===== > >> Sean Booth and Rob Brown continue to push their machinery >> into questionable realms of polyrhythmic trickery. > > Excuse me if I come across as a) a pedant and b) a smart ass, but I can't > think of a single track by Autechre that's polyrhythmic. > > Syncopated, yes, often very, but always only one time signature at any given > time, so far as I can tell. > > The use of "polyrhythmic" to mean "layered rhythms" or "rhythmically > complicated" is one of my pet peeves. A bit like when "4 4" used to mean "a > kick on every beat". > > But, hey, the meaning of a word is most usefully defined by its current usage, > I guess, so I'll calm down and shut up. :)

/metoo metoo... I find it funny (and unnerving at the same time) when people refer to "complex time signatures" and such in idm or other popular music when, most of the time, it is really music in 4/4 with slightly more sophisticated rhythms than they're accustomed to. g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Excuse me if I come across as a) a pedant and b) a smart ass, but I can't

>Excuse me if I come across as a) a pedant and b) a smart ass, but I can't >think of a single track by Autechre that's polyrhythmic.

My favorite example of this is the Gescom remix of PBO, especially where it shifts midway from 168BPM to 126BPM, first by emphasizing quarter note tripets, then by shifting the feel of the triplets into fours, then finally by adding accents on the 4-downbeats. Those of you who remember the Hekla mix CD know this is the track he used to shift from tempo A (jungle/hip hop) to tempo b (techno). Tricky shit, no doubt... -Våt NP - Cex "Am I Soundboy" (brilliant, brilliant stuff...) ____________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

if its still available, people , dont miss out on this mix cd, its insanE! there are, maybe, i dunno, like 50 tracks in each 35min set, all idm... really exellent. check link below i think. does anyone have a tracklisting they could post? i wish i had it. truly impressive. a.

quoted 9 lines My favorite example of this is the Gescom remix of PBO, especially where it

>My favorite example of this is the Gescom remix of PBO, especially where it >shifts midway from 168BPM to 126BPM, first by emphasizing quarter note >tripets, then by shifting the feel of the triplets into fours, then finally >by adding accents on the 4-downbeats. Those of you who remember the Hekla >mix CD know this is the track he used to shift from tempo A (jungle/hip >hop) to tempo b (techno). Tricky shit, no doubt... -Våt >Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge >PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 >http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html

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i was going to actually mention the exact same track.there are actually three rhythmic layers happening at once at one point. Ae also do a similar technique on the first track of chiastic slide. i think its a very cool way to shift tempos without doing the obvious double time/half time thing. i actually brought in that gescom remix of PBO into a graduate composition class that im in and my teacher (and the students) really dug the track. we actually notated some of the rhythms on the board at the points where the tempos shift thru the common rhythm of the triplets. it was funny, we were studying autechre/gescom in a graduate comp. seminar. pretty cool. i turned on this one very straght classical composer to ep7 and big loada. he bought them and the next day he came up to me and was asking if i could suggest anything else for him to buy. just thought id share that story. idm reaches academia. now thats real idm for you. :) later, greg davis autumn records http://autumnrecords.cjb.net np: toru takemitsu-works for guitar

quoted 17 lines My favorite example of this is the Gescom remix of PBO, especially where it

> My favorite example of this is the Gescom remix of PBO, especially where it > shifts midway from 168BPM to 126BPM, first by emphasizing quarter note > tripets, then by shifting the feel of the triplets into fours, then finally > by adding accents on the 4-downbeats. Those of you who remember the Hekla > mix CD know this is the track he used to shift from tempo A (jungle/hip > hop) to tempo b (techno). Tricky shit, no doubt... -Våt > > NP - Cex "Am I Soundboy" (brilliant, brilliant stuff...) > > ____________________ > Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge > PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 > http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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