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jon, i'm sorry you haven't found any good jungle records, but dismissing it as hype from the basis of one or two compilations you've heard is nonsense. maybe you haven't heard bukem, deep blue, 2 bad mice, blame & justice, d'cruze, 4 hero, goldie, wax doctor, dilinja, roni size, krome & time, foul play, etc., but a few of us have and i can tell you that the hype is real. do us a favour and stop ramming something you have next to no knowledge on. -- o _/,_ . /o...\__// fk453@cleveland.freenet.edu \_'__/``\` \`

Ryan G. Pals writes:

quoted 3 lines jon, i'm sorry you haven't found any good jungle records, but dismissing

> jon, i'm sorry you haven't found any good jungle records, but dismissing > it as hype from the basis of one or two compilations you've heard is > nonsense.

jungle isn't bad because of the hype... but you have to admit that it is the most highly hyped genre of the moment... (electro gets almost no play in the mags i read.)

quoted 4 lines maybe you haven't heard bukem, deep blue, 2 bad mice, blame & justice,

> maybe you haven't heard bukem, deep blue, 2 bad mice, blame & justice, > d'cruze, 4 hero, goldie, wax doctor, dilinja, roni size, krome & time, > foul play, etc., but a few of us have and i can tell you that the hype > is real.

hype is not real. that's the definition of hype. don't believe the hype. (hey chuck they must be smokin' that pipe, right?!) anyway, i've heard a fair number of those artists you list. i even like some of them. not as much as you do apparently. that seems to irk some people.

quoted 2 lines do us a favour and stop ramming something you have next to no knowledge

> do us a favour and stop ramming something you have next to no knowledge > on.

when am i qualified to talk about it then? when i own 50 jungle CDs? i have no problem saying that almost everything i've heard is way too boring to listen to at home, despite this "intelligent jungle" appellation that's being tossed around, as if calling something intelligent automatically makes it interesting. didn't work for techno, ain't working for jungle. the eat static track gets me all hot 'n' sweaty though. next time i'm in the mood to write a jungle track, i'm gonna take THAT as my inspiration. and as i said, you'll all have the chance to judge my jungle ability. now that cyborganic's web server is accessible over a T1 i will look into putting a sample of it up for public consumption. Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd

quoted 3 lines jungle isn't bad because of the hype... but you have to admit that it

> jungle isn't bad because of the hype... but you have to admit that it > is the most highly hyped genre of the moment... (electro gets almost > no play in the mags i read.)

Hmm... I kinda thought that electro was the most hyped genre of the moment. Look at the media attention that Clear got even before releasing a single record! I mean... the british rags talk about jungle because of the existing jungle scene. They talk about electro because it's the "next big thing". I personally like electro and don't much care for jungle, but electro *still* gets my vote for the most hyped genre of the moment. *shrug* -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! <A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

quoted 3 lines jungle isn't bad because of the hype... but you have to admit that it

>jungle isn't bad because of the hype... but you have to admit that it >is the most highly hyped genre of the moment... (electro gets almost >no play in the mags i read.)

i don't read the mags, i don't listen to the hype. i stick to email now (mostly). jon, i've been reading your posts for over 3 years and i think i know a bit of your tastes by now. i think i can say you're right on the money about most stuff, but i just don't think you can sit there and wipe jungle about just yet. I >hype is not real. that's the definition of hype. don't believe the

quoted 1 line hype. (hey chuck they must be smokin' that pipe, right?!)

>hype. (hey chuck they must be smokin' that pipe, right?!)

excuse me, some jungle lives up to the hype. a lot doesn't, but we all know how the overhyped artists rarely deliver. (aphex, fsol, hawtin, etc.) and we all know how opinions differ. and, yeah...a lot of the jungle hype doesn't deliver! there's a lot that is just as meaningless as hardcore could be at times. but there's just as much meaningless idm too.

quoted 3 lines anyway, i've heard a fair number of those artists you list. i even

>anyway, i've heard a fair number of those artists you list. i even >like some of them. not as much as you do apparently. that seems to >irk some people.

you've been slamming hardcore and jungle for years and somehow i don't think you've ever really listened to much of it. have you really heard those artists? why don't you list the records you've heard by them. i don't care if you like it or not, but stop meaninglessly slamming the entire genre every chance you get. you may not like the latest comp from ffrr (counterforce) but to in your eat static review you just seem to right off the genre based on that compilation, or law of the jungle. to be honest, i didn't like the compilation all that much either, but there are some great tunes on it.

quoted 1 line when am i qualified to talk about it then? when i own 50 jungle CDs?

>when am i qualified to talk about it then? when i own 50 jungle CDs?

talk about it all you want, but don't dismiss an entire genre as hype when you haven't heard a lick. hey, i'm no expert myself, i've only owned a dozen comps and maybe 50 records, but i can't dismiss a genre as crap until i've got a really indepth listen of it. i think i've had enough of a listen to know that the right jungle tracks aren't getting released on domestic easy to find cd compilation. maybe someday they will. right now, import comps and of course, the vinyl itself is where the action is at. and the compilations dropping just doesn't even qualify as sticking your finger in the sugar bowl and getting a taste.

quoted 5 lines i have no problem saying that almost everything i've heard is way too

>i have no problem saying that almost everything i've heard is way too >boring to listen to at home, despite this "intelligent jungle" >appellation that's being tossed around, as if calling something >intelligent automatically makes it interesting. didn't work for >techno, ain't working for jungle.

it's dance music. 'nuff said. 'intelligent' jungle is just a term by the media. the artists making the music don't call their stuff 'intelligent' (or at least i've yet to read an article where it has happened.) there most definately is an 'intelligent' style though, and after the really smashed up fun of ragga jungle (nothing is funner or happier than ragga jungle except happy hardcore) the 'intelligent' stuff comes on with a bit more seriousness.

quoted 3 lines the eat static track gets me all hot 'n' sweaty though. next time i'm

>the eat static track gets me all hot 'n' sweaty though. next time i'm >in the mood to write a jungle track, i'm gonna take THAT as my >inspiration.

i've heard good jungle tracks that come from the most unlikely sources, i have no doubts that eat static could do a good job as well cos their stuff (for the most part) rocks.

quoted 3 lines and as i said, you'll all have the chance to judge my jungle ability.

>and as i said, you'll all have the chance to judge my jungle ability. >now that cyborganic's web server is accessible over a T1 i will look >into putting a sample of it up for public consumption.

too bad i don't have web access. (de (dieselBoy would be one for you to talk to jon) -- o _/,_ . /o...\__// fk453@cleveland.freenet.edu \_'__/``\` \`