quoted 2 lines I think you are just jealous because maybe you have tried to produce art> I think you are just jealous because maybe you have tried to produce art
> and failed...
i have never in my life gone into creating something with the sole purpose
of making "art." it has just never been an issue with my expression.
quoted 8 lines I know the difference between art and expression, and yes, there> I know the difference between art and expression, and yes, there
> is one...
> no, it is not universally agreed upon and only means something to
> those who
> perceive it... "Art is in the eye of the beholder" wow, congratulations,
> you just won the mr. obvious award for 2001. maybe the masses are
> confused
> and wrong about what art is...
are you actually listening to what i'm saying? i'm not contending that some
art is good and some art isn't. i'm saying that i am against the concept of
art, because it muddles expression by elevating itself from it, and thus
tells many people how to think.
quoted 10 lines maybe, just maybe, there is no universal> maybe, just maybe, there is no universal
> truth and hence not only does art not "really" exist... maybe we don't
> either! maybe there's no such thing as art or expression and maybe the
> moon isn't there when your not looking at it... You are just
> going through
> a nihilistic phase in your life... go read some existential
> novels by camus
> or sartre... they will paradoxically help you feel better while
> filling you
> with dread.
you don't know what you're talking about. if only you could separate your
immediate emotional response from your logical process of thought, you might
have been able to restrain your presumption about me and my life.
quoted 1 line keep trying and maybe someday you will make art.> keep trying and maybe someday you will make art.
what i've been trying to tell you is that i have no such aspirations.
you're just not getting it. you think that i have some sort of issue with
artists because i can't make "art" myself. that isn't true in the
slightest. i honestly don't feel that i need to convince you of this.
suffice it to say that i know myself better than you know me. in the
future, try to keep a discussion from devolving into cheap character
attacks. it'll get you nowhere.
vzaem
quoted 67 lines At 10:12 AM 5/15/2001, Myroslaw Bytz wrote:> At 10:12 AM 5/15/2001, Myroslaw Bytz wrote:
> >i don't agree that we're both right in this case. your
> contentions work on
> >one level, if you accept that all art is better than all mere expression.
> >but what i was trying to get across was that in my opinion,
> there should not
> >be and have ever been this separation, because i think the only thing
> >separating art and expression is preference, but even so if you
> slap a label
> >like art on something it's lapped up by consumers. the reason i began to
> >question this was that i heard a lot of hip-hop heads pushing
> for their form
> >of expression, hip-hop, to be considered art. why? what would it prove?
> >all it does is put forth a kind of formula to be exploited, and
> give those
> >exploiters a good diguise and a legitimacy.
> >
> >vzaem
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joshua Brown [mailto:josh@undertone.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:33 PM
> > > To: Myroslaw Bytz; idm@hyperreal.org
> > > Subject: RE: [idm] re: art & expression
> > >
> > >
> > > this is not a black and white issue... in a way, we're both
> right... For
> > > some prodigy types, their natural mode of expression is
> art... for most
> > > others, they have to work really hard to get their expression to be
> > > art. Most people's expression is not art, and I include britney
> > > spears in
> > > that category as well.....
> > >
> > > At 09:27 AM 5/15/2001, Myroslaw Bytz wrote:
> > > >no. see that's exactly the problem. who's to say that signed
> > > artists are
> > > >better in expressing themselves than "the rest of us?" just
> because a
> > > >garbageman gets paid for it and we don't get paid for expressing our
> > > >sanitary skills, does that automatically mean he is better than
> > > the rest of
> > > >us are, or just that he has chosen that job? the same goes for
> > > artists. i
> > > >honestly think i could easily make much of the postmodern
> > > "yellow square on
> > > >canvas" fad paintings that are up now in art museums, but why
> > > would i waste
> > > >my time doing that when i have other things i need to get
> out, especially
> > > >given what i'd have to go through making the yellow square
> on canvas seem
> > > >like "art." compromise is what it's about. you either do or
> > > you don't. if
> > > >you're smart in this day and age, compromise can mean lots
> of money and
> > > >fame, but once you do that, give up hope for expressing yourself
> > > cleanly and
> > > >simply from that point on. also give up the illusion that you are an
> > > >artist.
> > > >
> > > >vzaem
> > >
> > >
>
>
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