I think you are just jealous because maybe you have tried to produce art
and failed...
I know the difference between art and expression, and yes, there is one...
no, it is not universally agreed upon and only means something to those who
perceive it... "Art is in the eye of the beholder" wow, congratulations,
you just won the mr. obvious award for 2001. maybe the masses are confused
and wrong about what art is... maybe, just maybe, there is no universal
truth and hence not only does art not "really" exist... maybe we don't
either! maybe there's no such thing as art or expression and maybe the
moon isn't there when your not looking at it... You are just going through
a nihilistic phase in your life... go read some existential novels by camus
or sartre... they will paradoxically help you feel better while filling you
with dread.
keep trying and maybe someday you will make art.
At 10:12 AM 5/15/2001, Myroslaw Bytz wrote:
quoted 53 lines i don't agree that we're both right in this case. your contentions work on>i don't agree that we're both right in this case. your contentions work on
>one level, if you accept that all art is better than all mere expression.
>but what i was trying to get across was that in my opinion, there should not
>be and have ever been this separation, because i think the only thing
>separating art and expression is preference, but even so if you slap a label
>like art on something it's lapped up by consumers. the reason i began to
>question this was that i heard a lot of hip-hop heads pushing for their form
>of expression, hip-hop, to be considered art. why? what would it prove?
>all it does is put forth a kind of formula to be exploited, and give those
>exploiters a good diguise and a legitimacy.
>
>vzaem
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Brown [mailto:josh@undertone.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:33 PM
> > To: Myroslaw Bytz; idm@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: [idm] re: art & expression
> >
> >
> > this is not a black and white issue... in a way, we're both right... For
> > some prodigy types, their natural mode of expression is art... for most
> > others, they have to work really hard to get their expression to be
> > art. Most people's expression is not art, and I include britney
> > spears in
> > that category as well.....
> >
> > At 09:27 AM 5/15/2001, Myroslaw Bytz wrote:
> > >no. see that's exactly the problem. who's to say that signed
> > artists are
> > >better in expressing themselves than "the rest of us?" just because a
> > >garbageman gets paid for it and we don't get paid for expressing our
> > >sanitary skills, does that automatically mean he is better than
> > the rest of
> > >us are, or just that he has chosen that job? the same goes for
> > artists. i
> > >honestly think i could easily make much of the postmodern
> > "yellow square on
> > >canvas" fad paintings that are up now in art museums, but why
> > would i waste
> > >my time doing that when i have other things i need to get out, especially
> > >given what i'd have to go through making the yellow square on canvas seem
> > >like "art." compromise is what it's about. you either do or
> > you don't. if
> > >you're smart in this day and age, compromise can mean lots of money and
> > >fame, but once you do that, give up hope for expressing yourself
> > cleanly and
> > >simply from that point on. also give up the illusion that you are an
> > >artist.
> > >
> > >vzaem
> >
> >
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