i don't agree that we're both right in this case. your contentions work on
one level, if you accept that all art is better than all mere expression.
but what i was trying to get across was that in my opinion, there should not
be and have ever been this separation, because i think the only thing
separating art and expression is preference, but even so if you slap a label
like art on something it's lapped up by consumers. the reason i began to
question this was that i heard a lot of hip-hop heads pushing for their form
of expression, hip-hop, to be considered art. why? what would it prove?
all it does is put forth a kind of formula to be exploited, and give those
exploiters a good diguise and a legitimacy.
vzaem
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> From: Joshua Brown [mailto:josh@undertone.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:33 PM
> To: Myroslaw Bytz; idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: [idm] re: art & expression
>
>
> this is not a black and white issue... in a way, we're both right... For
> some prodigy types, their natural mode of expression is art... for most
> others, they have to work really hard to get their expression to be
> art. Most people's expression is not art, and I include britney
> spears in
> that category as well.....
>
> At 09:27 AM 5/15/2001, Myroslaw Bytz wrote:
> >no. see that's exactly the problem. who's to say that signed
> artists are
> >better in expressing themselves than "the rest of us?" just because a
> >garbageman gets paid for it and we don't get paid for expressing our
> >sanitary skills, does that automatically mean he is better than
> the rest of
> >us are, or just that he has chosen that job? the same goes for
> artists. i
> >honestly think i could easily make much of the postmodern
> "yellow square on
> >canvas" fad paintings that are up now in art museums, but why
> would i waste
> >my time doing that when i have other things i need to get out, especially
> >given what i'd have to go through making the yellow square on canvas seem
> >like "art." compromise is what it's about. you either do or
> you don't. if
> >you're smart in this day and age, compromise can mean lots of money and
> >fame, but once you do that, give up hope for expressing yourself
> cleanly and
> >simply from that point on. also give up the illusion that you are an
> >artist.
> >
> >vzaem
>
>
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