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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:52:02 +0000

quoted 7 lines i totally agree.

>> i totally agree. >> indie rock killed idm in america. >> discuss. >> >> -kiya > >Hmmm....idm (at least some of it) has possibly suffocated itself with redundancies and (in

some cases) indie has branched into that 'sound garden', picked some nice flowers and redecorated to make itself more interesting. totally agree, jeff. i'm going to take that a step further and put a finer point on it. indie rock, following in the footsteps of their patron saints radiohead (though they were never indie they seem to exude an indie-like spirit), incorporated IDM and other electronic influences and rejuvenated itself. in some cases, electronic acts brought in indie rock influences, with varying results both artistic- and sales-wise. the biggest success story is of course the postal service, who are the second-biggest selling act on sub pop after nirvana. yet despite all the music being done by DNTEL's jimmy tamborello electronically, for some reason TPS has been more wholeheartedly embraced and claimed as an indie rock breakthrough rather than an IDM/electronic one. perhaps it's the label and marketing, perhaps it's the poppy songs and vocals, but it also comes back to the insular nature of certain scenes. certainly some factions of indie rock can be very snobby and cultish about its most underground bands, keeping them a secret or crying "sellout!" at the earliest sign of mass acceptance (i.e. someone else has ever heard of a band). but at least the music seems a bit more potentially eclectic and inclusive of various styles while still basically being called "indie rock". on the other hand, many electronic music writers and fans seem ready to split off and name a new genre every time a new instrument is added or beats are changed around a bit. thus rather than giving electronica/IDM a shot in the arm, the addition of guitars simply created yet another sub-genre for a weary public to assimlate or ignore - "indietronica". united we stand, divided we fall. but actually, indie rock today is in just as much danger of suffocating itself with redundancy, its biggest and most frequent practicioners following all sorts of unspoken rules of conduct in their music and presentation. that sort of thing will hasten the demise (or at least dormancy) of any scene. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 9 lines on the other hand, many electronic music writers and fans seem ready to

> on the other hand, many electronic music writers and fans seem ready to > split off and name a > new genre every time a new instrument is added or beats are changed around > a bit. thus > rather than giving electronica/IDM a shot in the arm, the addition of > guitars simply created > yet another sub-genre for a weary public to assimlate or ignore - > "indietronica". united we > stand, divided we fall.

so... then could that be summed up as saying, "the people who like IDM killed IDM"? :) joshua. ....... sometimes always. http://ropeswingcities.com http://ropeswingcities.com/josh23 http://spacepiratemusic.com http://acre-c.com

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> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:52:02 +0000 > >>> i totally agree. >>> indie rock killed idm in america. >>> discuss. >>> >>> -kiya >> >>Hmmm....idm (at least some of it) has possibly suffocated itself with >> redundancies and (in > some cases) indie has branched into that 'sound garden', picked some nice > flowers and > redecorated to make itself more interesting. > > > totally agree, jeff. i'm going to take that a step further and put a > finer point on it. > > indie rock, following in the footsteps of their patron saints radiohead > (though they were > never indie they seem to exude an indie-like spirit), incorporated IDM and > other electronic > influences and rejuvenated itself. in some cases, electronic acts brought > in indie rock > influences, with varying results both artistic- and sales-wise. > > the biggest success story is of course the postal service, who are the > second-biggest selling > act on sub pop after nirvana. yet despite all the music being done by > DNTEL's jimmy > tamborello electronically, for some reason TPS has been more > wholeheartedly embraced and > claimed as an indie rock breakthrough rather than an IDM/electronic one. > perhaps it's the > label and marketing, perhaps it's the poppy songs and vocals, but it also > comes back to the > insular nature of certain scenes. certainly some factions of indie rock > can be very snobby > and cultish about its most underground bands, keeping them a secret or > crying "sellout!" at > the earliest sign of mass acceptance (i.e. someone else has ever heard of > a band). but at > least the music seems a bit more potentially eclectic and inclusive of > various styles while still > basically being called "indie rock". > > on the other hand, many electronic music writers and fans seem ready to > split off and name a > new genre every time a new instrument is added or beats are changed around > a bit. thus > rather than giving electronica/IDM a shot in the arm, the addition of > guitars simply created > yet another sub-genre for a weary public to assimlate or ignore - > "indietronica". united we > stand, divided we fall. > > but actually, indie rock today is in just as much danger of suffocating > itself with redundancy, > its biggest and most frequent practicioners following all sorts of > unspoken rules of conduct > in their music and presentation. that sort of thing will hasten the > demise (or at least > dormancy) of any scene. > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "joshua twentythree" <joshua@ropeswingcities.com> Reply-To: joshua@ropeswingcities.com Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:47:03 -0700 (MST)

quoted 18 lines on the other hand, many electronic music writers and fans seem ready to

>> on the other hand, many electronic music writers and fans seem ready to >> split off and name a >> new genre every time a new instrument is added or beats are changed around >> a bit. thus >> rather than giving electronica/IDM a shot in the arm, the addition of >> guitars simply created >> yet another sub-genre for a weary public to assimlate or ignore - >> "indietronica". united we >> stand, divided we fall. > > > >so... then could that be summed up as saying, "the people who like IDM >killed IDM"? > >:) > >joshua.

heh. well that would presume i am declaring IDM "dead"...and no one with half a brain would touch that thread with a 12k pole. personally, i love electronic music, i love music that uses a minimum of electronics (basically the recording equipment), i love music that mixes and matches whatever. i admit i am a bit "over" the "standard" IDM "sound" as practiced by certain descendants of the biggest bands on warp. but the best stuff stays listenable, and new things constantly recreate from the old by breaking the rules and remaking their own. if IDM is simply one of many catch-all terms to define an ever-morphing type of electronic music, rather than a single genre existing during a fixed period of time, then theoretically it will never "die". d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--On 10 January 2006 13:20 -0800 chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:

quoted 10 lines so... then could that be summed up as saying, "the people who like IDM

>> so... then could that be summed up as saying, "the people who like IDM >> killed IDM"? >> >> :) >> >> joshua. > > > heh. well that would presume i am declaring IDM "dead"...and no one with > half a brain would touch that thread with a 12k pole.

Yes. Look at 'rock'. I'm aware that people (mostly journalists) have been declaring that 'Rock is dead' since at least 1975 (with a frequency rivalled only by trumpetings about the "Future of Rock'n'Roll"). Now, if rock is indeed dead, then it's certainly left a corpse that, if not exactly 'good-looking', is still enacting a passable Imitation of Life. So a few labels have closed down... that's not necessarily an indication of ill-health, let alone the Death of a Genre. In addition to the impact of wider availability of this music on a shared/pillaged basis, could it not also be partly because of the inability to sustain the larger number of labels now in existence that were initiated on the back of interest created by a once smaller number of labels? Just a thought. alan ---------------------- Alan Lockett (Senior Language Co-ordinator - EFL) Language Centre, University of Bristol, 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol, BS8 1PY, UK tel: +44 (0)117 3310914 e-mail: Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

here-here... i recently got my first portable mp3 device and i must say... yes, i love mogwai. yes, i love incredible string band. yes, i love cradle of filth... but goddamn, if good idm isn't the most fucking exciting music on the face of the planet.... dont get disheartened boys!!! btw, anyone have any Sonic Dragolgo recommendations? hot shit.

quoted 58 lines From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>

>From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> >Reply-To: <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] indie killed the idm star? >Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:20:46 -0800 > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "joshua twentythree" <joshua@ropeswingcities.com> >Reply-To: joshua@ropeswingcities.com >Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:47:03 -0700 (MST) > > >> on the other hand, many electronic music writers and fans seem ready to > >> split off and name a > >> new genre every time a new instrument is added or beats are changed >around > >> a bit. thus > >> rather than giving electronica/IDM a shot in the arm, the addition of > >> guitars simply created > >> yet another sub-genre for a weary public to assimlate or ignore - > >> "indietronica". united we > >> stand, divided we fall. > > > > > > > >so... then could that be summed up as saying, "the people who like IDM > >killed IDM"? > > > >:) > > > >joshua. > > >heh. well that would presume i am declaring IDM "dead"...and no one with >half a brain would >touch that thread with a 12k pole. > >personally, i love electronic music, i love music that uses a minimum of >electronics >(basically the recording equipment), i love music that mixes and matches >whatever. i admit i >am a bit "over" the "standard" IDM "sound" as practiced by certain >descendants of the biggest >bands on warp. but the best stuff stays listenable, and new things >constantly recreate from >the old by breaking the rules and remaking their own. if IDM is simply one >of many catch-all >terms to define an ever-morphing type of electronic music, rather than a >single genre >existing during a fixed period of time, then theoretically it will never >"die". > > >d. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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