179,854Messages
9,130Senders
30Years
342mboxes

← archive index

Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?

10 messages · 10 participants · spans 6 days · search this subject
2004-09-28 23:22Emily Pollard [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
2004-09-28 23:53Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
└─ 2004-09-29 08:43Walkman RE: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
└─ 2004-09-30 03:23Koke Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
└─ 2004-09-30 13:41chthonic streams Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
└─ 2004-09-30 13:29Adam Piontek Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
└─ 2004-09-30 21:04Josh Steiner Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
2004-09-29 11:25visa Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
2004-09-30 15:20seek Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
2004-10-05 10:00j izam Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
expand allcollapse allclick any summary to toggle that message
2004-09-28 23:22Emily Pollard*wave* I'm new to the group and I've got a question for all of you. What's the difference
From:
Emily Pollard
To:
Date:
Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:22:45 -0700
Subject:
[idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <1096413765.4159f245b71d2@strangechord.com>
*wave* I'm new to the group and I've got a question for all of you. What's the difference between ambient and idm? For years, my friend and I have always placed music like Boards of Canada, Global Communication, Amythestium, Tosca, Squarepusher, etc. in the ambient category. But I only recently discovered the label idm. Is ambient normally considered beat-less (Eno, Tangerine Dream, Steve Roach, et al)? Emily Portland, OR --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-28 23:53MJed5150@aol.comWell, IDM can cross over into ambient. My usual definition of ambient is mostly beatless (
From:
To:
,
Date:
Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:53:14 EDT
Subject:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <110.38b2c103.2e8b536a@aol.com>
Well, IDM can cross over into ambient. My usual definition of ambient is mostly beatless (or a very minimal beat) and chill. IDM goes more experimental using computers to distort beats and whatnot. In my book: Boards of Canada is a mix of ambient/IDM, tosca is downtempo, squarepusher is IDM ... My choice of labels to check out if you want to hear more IDM is: Merck, Warp (seems like you already found it), morr, musik aus strom, hefty, toytronic, and ninja tune. Those are all basically IDM, and they are quality ... Mike Jedlicka www.dickandjanerecords.com
2004-09-29 08:43WalkmanWell ninja tune and morr music do not release IDM music IMO (although first releases of mo
From:
Walkman
To:
Date:
Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:43:37 +0300
Subject:
RE: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
Reply to:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <20040929084408.0467B6A397@mail.microlink.lt>
Well ninja tune and morr music do not release IDM music IMO (although first releases of morr music were IDM. Like Phonem - Hydroelectric). IDM: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47E1ED94BA47120D393334 FC4B57DD21ACB57FF831133045BD9A12D50A92974F679F6BC81B8E577BD66ADFF2EA0160BD9C 9EF5CFEDC764C40&sql=77:11690 Ambient: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47E1ED94BA47120D393334 FC4B57DD21ACB57FF831133045BD9A12D50A92974F679F6BC81B8E577BD66ADFF2EA0160BD9C EEE5CF9DF764C40&sql=77:226 This is info is not a very correct one but should give you a clue. Walkman www.sutemos.net -----Original Message----- From: MJed5150@aol.com [mailto:MJed5150@aol.com] Sent: 2004 m. rugsėjo 29 d. 02:53 To: emily@strangechord.com; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction? Well, IDM can cross over into ambient. My usual definition of ambient is mostly beatless (or a very minimal beat) and chill. IDM goes more experimental using computers to distort beats and whatnot. In my book: Boards of Canada is a mix of ambient/IDM, tosca is downtempo, squarepusher is IDM ... My choice of labels to check out if you want to hear more IDM is: Merck, Warp (seems like you already found it), morr, musik aus strom, hefty, toytronic, and ninja tune. Those are all basically IDM, and they are quality ... Mike Jedlicka www.dickandjanerecords.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-30 03:23KokeYes, the distinction can be rather hard between the two. While Artifical Intelligence was
From:
Koke
To:
idm@hyperreal.org
Date:
Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:23:15 -0500
Subject:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
Reply to:
RE: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <opse4ec1mixba57m@idm.kicks-ass.net>
Yes, the distinction can be rather hard between the two. While Artifical Intelligence was the first "idm" compilation, I actually got turned onto IDM buy a totally different compilation set. The TEEX vol 1 (aka Trans Europe Express) is where I first learned I loved idm. The compilation actually has a good collection of ambient and idm and the distinction can be heard through the different artists. If you've never sat down and listened to this Various Artists set check it out and you'll be able to get some of the best early IDM...pre glitching...or at least before it became prevalent. On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:43:37 +0300, Walkman <walkman@sutemos.net> wrote:
quoted 47 lines Well ninja tune and morr music do not release IDM music IMO (although> Well ninja tune and morr music do not release IDM music IMO (although > first > releases of morr music were IDM. Like Phonem - Hydroelectric). > > IDM: > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47E1ED94BA47120D393334 > FC4B57DD21ACB57FF831133045BD9A12D50A92974F679F6BC81B8E577BD66ADFF2EA0160BD9C > 9EF5CFEDC764C40&sql=77:11690 > > Ambient: > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47E1ED94BA47120D393334 > FC4B57DD21ACB57FF831133045BD9A12D50A92974F679F6BC81B8E577BD66ADFF2EA0160BD9C > EEE5CF9DF764C40&sql=77:226 > > This is info is not a very correct one but should give you a clue. > > Walkman > www.sutemos.net > -----Original Message----- > From: MJed5150@aol.com [mailto:MJed5150@aol.com] > Sent: 2004 m. rugsėjo 29 d. 02:53 > To: emily@strangechord.com; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction? > > Well, IDM can cross over into ambient. My usual definition of ambient > is > mostly beatless (or a very minimal beat) and chill. IDM goes more > experimental > using computers to distort beats and whatnot. In my book: Boards of > Canada > > is a mix of ambient/IDM, tosca is downtempo, squarepusher is IDM ... > My choice of labels to check out if you want to hear more IDM is: > Merck, > Warp (seems like you already found it), morr, musik aus strom, hefty, > toytronic, and ninja tune. Those are all basically IDM, and they are > quality ... > > Mike Jedlicka > www.dickandjanerecords.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
-- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-30 13:41chthonic streamswell, the more strict definition of ambient music would be in the eno mold - music experie
From:
chthonic streams
To:
Date:
Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:41:22 -0400
Subject:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
Reply to:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <p05210600bd81b5495e96@[64.63.223.116]>
well, the more strict definition of ambient music would be in the eno mold - music experienced at sucha low volume it becomes part of the ambient background of your environment. it's also been called music you can pay attention to or ignore, but it's there. kind of like wallpaper. i believe for music to be these kinds of ambient, there wouldn't be any beats, because percussion (especially ordered, repetitive percussion) tends to jump into the foreground by nature. you can certainly play anything with beats (or anything at all for that matter) as "background music" in many situations; even fairly loud rock or dance music is technically in the background if everyone in the room is paying more attention to their shouted conversations than what's coming out of the speakers. but that definitely gets away from the spirit of the creation of music as ambience. so, technically, i'd have to disagree that ambient and idm can be interchangeable terms. for one reason, idm is made primarily if not exclusively with electronics, and ambient music can be made with almost anything, including no electronics at all. i would even go so far as to classify aphex's two "ambient" albums as misnomers to some degree - definitely the first one. even parts of the second are a little too actively engaging, even disturbing, the listener, as opposed to creating hypnotic, repetitive, unassuming compositions. eno's "discreet music", "apollo", and (naturally) the "ambient" series come to mind. the problem gets worse when adding other words to ambient, such as "dark ambient". this has opened up a whole can of worms that seems to give many people and musicians the ability to call anything dark and brooding "dark ambient". some of my own music has fallen victim to this labeling, some of it, sadly, self-inflicted, simply for lack of a better term. the chief practitioner of this subgenre (who denies it) has been lustmord, most notably with the classic album "heresy" and a few others. others to seek out would be r|a|a|n, yen pox, vidna obmana, and several albums by steve roach (caveat emptor: about 1/3 of his huge catalogue is more "world music", for lack of a better term, using digeridoo and bongos). too often ambient is used lazily to describe anything that has no vocals and sounds pretty mellow, or has no beat or obvious hooks or melodies. the term has gotten so widespread that this is inevitable. in that sense, ambient and idm are the same - terms that may be misused every day, but at least they help point the way to some interesting music. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-30 13:29Adam PiontekThus confirming my theory that 'Law & Order' is the world's first true and successful ambi
From:
Adam Piontek
To:
Date:
Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:29:50 -0400
Subject:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
Reply to:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <415C0A4E.2090307@damek.org>
Thus confirming my theory that 'Law & Order' is the world's first true and successful ambient television. chthonic streams wrote:
quoted 4 lines well, the more strict definition of ambient music would be in the eno> well, the more strict definition of ambient music would be in the eno > mold - music experienced at sucha low volume it becomes part of the > ambient background of your environment. it's also been called music you > can pay attention to or ignore, but it's there. kind of like wallpaper.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-30 21:04Josh Steinerfishing with john was the ultimate in ambient tv Adam Piontek wrote: > Thus confirming my
From:
Josh Steiner
To:
Adam Piontek
Cc:
Date:
Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:04:21 -0700
Subject:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
Reply to:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <415C74D5.7000207@vitriolix.com>
fishing with john was the ultimate in ambient tv Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 15 lines Thus confirming my theory that 'Law & Order' is the world's first true> Thus confirming my theory that 'Law & Order' is the world's first true > and successful ambient television. > > chthonic streams wrote: > >> well, the more strict definition of ambient music would be in the eno >> mold - music experienced at sucha low volume it becomes part of the >> ambient background of your environment. it's also been called music >> you can pay attention to or ignore, but it's there. kind of like >> wallpaper. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
-- ________________________________________________________________________ interactive electronic music installation - http://xiphoidprocess.com/io live experimental electronic music - http://bluevitriol.com my drum'n'bass solo project - http://vitriolix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-29 11:25visa> IDM: > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47E1ED94BA47120D393334 >4B5
From:
visa
To:
hyperreal idm
Date:
Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:25:11 +0300
Subject:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <001a01c4a616$fc296880$c0c26752@laite>
quoted 2 lines IDM:> IDM: >
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47E1ED94BA47120D393334
quoted 5 lines 4B57DD21ACB57FF831133045BD9A12D50A92974F679F6BC81B8E577BD66ADFF2EA0160BD9C>4B57DD21ACB57FF831133045BD9A12D50A92974F679F6BC81B8E577BD66ADFF2EA0160BD9C > 9EF5CFEDC764C40&sql=77:11690 > > Ambient: >
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47E1ED94BA47120D393334
quoted 1 line FC4B57DD21ACB57FF831133045BD9A12D50A92974F679F6BC81B8E577BD66ADFF2EA0160BD9>FC4B57DD21ACB57FF831133045BD9A12D50A92974F679F6BC81B8E577BD66ADFF2EA0160BD9
C
quoted 2 lines EEE5CF9DF764C40&sql=77:226> EEE5CF9DF764C40&sql=77:226 >
How about www.snipurl.com next time, eh? ~Visa --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-30 15:20seek----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" > Thus confirming my theory that 'Law &
From:
seek
To:
Date:
Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:20:28 -0700
Subject:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <7c1801c4a701$04d28d50$7db1a943@obelisk>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek"
quoted 2 lines Thus confirming my theory that 'Law & Order' is the world's first true> Thus confirming my theory that 'Law & Order' is the world's first true > and successful ambient television.
I nominate 'Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman'. seek the fernwood flasher
quoted 10 lines chthonic streams wrote:> chthonic streams wrote: > > well, the more strict definition of ambient music would be in the eno > > mold - music experienced at sucha low volume it becomes part of the > > ambient background of your environment. it's also been called music you > > can pay attention to or ignore, but it's there. kind of like wallpaper. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-05 10:00j izamHi, .Idm i guess means 'intelligent dance music' but alot of classic idm has beatless and
From:
j izam
To:
Date:
Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:00:16 +0100
Subject:
Re: [idm] Ambient/idm distinction?
permalink · <002801c4aac2$1e445ab0$c73f7ad5@virtualoffice>
Hi, .Idm i guess means 'intelligent dance music' but alot of classic idm has beatless and what i would call ambient tracks.Ambient for me is beatless like the ambience in nature , in the dictionary it is quoted as ' surrounding and on all sides ' .The term i think eno used first ? i think he used this due to his experiments with phase tricks and stuff and his stereo system that used 3 speakers , a third behind wired into just the positives on his system ? Ambient music comes in many guises and infact makes you realise how impossible it is to label music which can be quite style-less and formless .I consider ambient music pretty much beatless and ambient music with beats ' downtempo '.Idm i tend to think of as electronic music with predominant beats but a mood which people like plaid , autechra and bola etc captured which can be haunting and sublime and which i first heard on the early warp stuff and aphex twins first ambient works one . All idm is ambeint though in a sense and in relation to the dictionary as it is still music which grabs and immerses you . . . i feel like a dog chasing my tale. I tend to not think of music as one or the other these days and when i do its in relation to labels who definately work in one of a number of scenes .There are idm labels selling in the idm scene and chilled labels selling in a totally different scene .There is cross pollination though:) jachin
quoted 4 lines *wave*> *wave* > > I'm new to the group and I've got a question for all of you. What's the > difference between ambient and idm? For years, my friend and I have
always
quoted 1 line placed music like Boards of Canada, Global Communication, Amythestium,> placed music like Boards of Canada, Global Communication, Amythestium,
Tosca,
quoted 1 line Squarepusher, etc. in the ambient category. But I only recently discovered> Squarepusher, etc. in the ambient category. But I only recently discovered
the
quoted 11 lines label idm. Is ambient normally considered beat-less (Eno, Tangerine Dream,> label idm. Is ambient normally considered beat-less (Eno, Tangerine Dream, > Steve Roach, et al)? > > Emily > Portland, OR > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org