On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:56:35 +0100, Alan R. Lockett wrote
quoted 16 lines On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0600 acre <lists@acre-c.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0600 acre <lists@acre-c.com> wrote:
>
> > The Proem album was absolutely ruined just for that first line
> > "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead."
>
> It's a strange proposition for me that an entire album can be
> 'absolutely ruined' by one line of text. To be honest, I didn't even
> register that line. If I even perceived it, it didn't hang around
> and influence my perception of the album as a whole. An analogy: the
> Esem track 'ilkae' from a couple of years ago contains a preset
> synth sound which when it appears grates on me terribly. I hate that
> sound. But I still listen to the track and the rest of the EP and do
> not allow this to overspill onto my overall enjoyment. I don't know
> what others think about this. If you order a starter in a restaurant
> which has a nasty taste, is the rest of meal rendered totally unstomachable?
>
By including that, immediately I realized that there was nothing of depth
involved (again, I'm speaking conceptually). I feel that including this line
is shallow, lacks creativity and achieves absolutely nothing. With that, a
precedent was set for the rest of the album and the rest of the album
confirms what I felt when I heard that line - simple as that.
quoted 1 line I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not
> > I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not
saying
quoted 1 line anything of value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---
> > anything of value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---
It's
quoted 9 lines just stupid.
> > just stupid.
>
> We have to take the statement about sense of humour on trust. But as
> for the rest of the statement, it seems to contain a number of
> embedded assumptions and value judgments, which I personally would
> also question, namely:-
>
> - that a piece of text must be saying something 'of value' to
> justify its inclusion on a piece of music.
I think that every frequency of sound should be justified. Too much music
exists "just because" when really there needs to be something backing it. I
would like to discuss this with Proem and try to understand why he would
choose to add such nonsense to an otherwise great track. I don't feel that
any justification exists.
- that 'value' is a
quoted 2 lines property that can be attributed to something independently of the
> property that can be attributed to something independently of the
> valuer's appraisal system.
I observe this.
- that something needs to be said 'in an
quoted 1 line objective way' to validate it.
> objective way' to validate it.
This is putting words in my mouth.
- that 'stupidity' is an attribute
quoted 1 line that operates independently of the valuer's appraisal system etc
> that operates independently of the valuer's appraisal system etc
Stupid is something I would equate to lacking justification, see above.
quoted 8 lines Not wishing to labour the point, but... ;-)
>
> Not wishing to labour the point, but... ;-)
>
> > Too much of the album as a whole seems to lack depth, not sonically
> > but conceptually.
>
> I'm not sure what's being said here. What albums would be proposed as
> having this 'conceptual depth' that Proem's lacks?
Mahavishnu - Inner Mounting Flame
Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
Miles - Bitches Brew
Freescha - What's Come Inside of You
Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
Autechre - Draft 7.30 / Confield
quoted 3 lines Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more
>
> > Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more
> > character and atmosphere. It is really a step towards what I feel needs
to
quoted 6 lines happen with electronic music.
> > happen with electronic music.
>
> It seems to me that the concepts of 'character and atmosphere' and
> the notion of 'what I feel needs to happen' are entirely spurious
> except as reference points for people who know what the poster of
> this e-mail's musical predilections are.
What "I feel needs to happen" is evident in Helios' album. That is the
reference point I am speaking about.
quoted 9 lines It is pretty, but there are sinister
>
> > It is pretty, but there are sinister
> > elements, some sort of antagonist that I think a lot of recent electronic
> > music is lacking (Xela, Mum, practically anything that has come out on CCO
> > or Morr in the last couple years after they both lost their touch... etc).
> > It's more real and raw. I could go on but this is pretentious and stupid
> > enough.
>
> Er...
I'm suprised no one jumped on my ass about the CCO/Morr comment, how do
people feel about their recent output?
quoted 5 lines All a matter of opinion of course.
>
> > All a matter of opinion of course.
>
> You said it :-)
>
Of course, and I absolutely respect and value your response. Thanks!
Milo
quoted 17 lines alan
> alan
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Sorenson" <eric@explosive.net>
> > To: "acre" <lists@acre-c.com>
> > Cc: "Corbin, Nick" <Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk>; <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [idm] Excellent New Merck...
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote:
> > >
> > > > Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm
> > > > concerned.
> > >
> > > That is saying a lot, especially considering the Tiki Obmar album.
> > > And _serial human_. And the mfk'n Proem album. Are you sure about
that??
quoted 24 lines (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?)
> > >
> > > (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?)
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net
> > >
> >
> >
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