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2004-04-21 10:10Corbin, Nick [idm] Excellent New Merck...
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2004-04-21 10:10Corbin, Nickhi! just listening to the new album on merck - 'unomia' by helios - and it's raher good. l
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hi! just listening to the new album on merck - 'unomia' by helios - and it's raher good. lots of lush melodies, lovely beats, bits of guitar and piano and environmental samples... but rather than me making a hash of trying to describe it check out the samples at http://www.m3rck.net/ cheers! [nick] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 03:05acreCouldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm concerned. Milo -----
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Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm concerned. Milo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbin, Nick" <Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:10 AM Subject: [idm] Excellent New Merck...
quoted 4 lines hi!> > hi! > > just listening to the new album on merck - 'unomia' by helios - and it's
raher good. lots of lush melodies, lovely beats, bits of guitar and piano and environmental samples... but rather than me making a hash of trying to describe it check out the samples at http://www.m3rck.net/
quoted 10 lines cheers!> > cheers! > > [nick] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-04-22 03:06Eric SorensonOn Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote: > Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years a
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quoted 2 lines Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm> Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm > concerned.
That is saying a lot, especially considering the Tiki Obmar album. And _serial human_. And the mfk'n Proem album. Are you sure about that?? (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?) -- Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 03:08andrew jonesanother note, got me a nice merck mailing list for press releases. this is for journalists
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another note, got me a nice merck mailing list for press releases. this is for journalists, editors, and other people that need promos. if anyone wants to join let me know. hit me up press@m3rck.net peace, a On Wednesday, April 21, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Eric Sorenson wrote:
quoted 21 lines On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote:> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote: > >> Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm >> concerned. > > That is saying a lot, especially considering the Tiki Obmar album. > And _serial human_. And the mfk'n Proem album. Are you sure about > that?? > > (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?) > > -- > > Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-04-22 19:22Josh Steinerthis is a very pleasing record, very BoC'ish in a good way. acre wrote: >Couldn't agree mo
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this is a very pleasing record, very BoC'ish in a good way. acre wrote:
quoted 42 lines Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm>Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm >concerned. > >Milo > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Corbin, Nick" <Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:10 AM >Subject: [idm] Excellent New Merck... > > > > >>hi! >> >>just listening to the new album on merck - 'unomia' by helios - and it's >> >> >raher good. lots of lush melodies, lovely beats, bits of guitar and piano >and environmental samples... but rather than me making a hash of trying to >describe it check out the samples at http://www.m3rck.net/ > > >>cheers! >> >>[nick] >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-04-22 03:54acreAll a matter of opinion of course. Tiki Obmar doesn't really do much for me, few nice tune
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All a matter of opinion of course. Tiki Obmar doesn't really do much for me, few nice tunes, I think their sophomore work will be more developed and interesting. The Proem album was absolutely ruined just for that first line "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead." I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not saying anything of value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---It's just stupid. Too much of the album as a whole seems to lack depth, not sonically but conceptually. Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more character and atmosphere. It is really a step towards what I feel needs to happen with electronic music. It is pretty, but there are sinister elements, some sort of antagonist that I think a lot of recent electronic music is lacking (Xela, Mum, practically anything that has come out on CCO or Morr in the last couple years after they both lost their touch... etc). It's more real and raw. I could go on but this is pretentious and stupid enough. All a matter of opinion of course. Milo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Sorenson" <eric@explosive.net> To: "acre" <lists@acre-c.com> Cc: "Corbin, Nick" <Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Excellent New Merck...
quoted 14 lines On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote:> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote: > > > Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm > > concerned. > > That is saying a lot, especially considering the Tiki Obmar album. > And _serial human_. And the mfk'n Proem album. Are you sure about that?? > > (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?) > > -- > > Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net >
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2004-04-22 12:10Adam Piontekacre wrote: > All a matter of opinion of course. Definitely. > "I don't know how to tell y
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quoted 1 line All a matter of opinion of course.> All a matter of opinion of course.
Definitely.
quoted 4 lines "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead." I don't lack > "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead." I don't lack a > sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not saying anything of > value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---It's just > stupid.
But it's funny - and it's all subjective, not objective, you just said so yourself! Dammit, enjoy the Proem album, it's good! ;-)
quoted 1 line Unomia has much more character and atmosphere. It is really a step> Unomia has much more character and atmosphere. It is really a step
> towards what I feel needs to happen with electronic music. What "needs to happen" with electronic & all other music is for people to make more of it and let me listen to it. Period.
quoted 1 line It is pretty, but there are sinister elements> It is pretty, but there are sinister elements
Have you heard Merck's "Double Down" compilation? And Mr Projectile's "Sinking"... -Adam Piontek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 17:18listsOn Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:10:43 -0400, Adam Piontek wrote > acre wrote: > > All a matter of o
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quoted 12 lines acre wrote:> acre wrote: > > All a matter of opinion of course. > > Definitely. > > > "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead." I don't lack a > > sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not saying anything of > > value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---It's just > > stupid. > > But it's funny - and it's all subjective, not objective, you just > said so yourself! Dammit, enjoy the Proem album, it's good! ;-)
I really tried! I promise!
quoted 6 lines Unomia has much more character and atmosphere. It is really a step> > > Unomia has much more character and atmosphere. It is really a step > > towards what I feel needs to happen with electronic music. > > What "needs to happen" with electronic & all other music is for > people to make more of it and let me listen to it. Period.
Agreed, but the people making it really need to put everything they have into it and stand behind it.
quoted 5 lines It is pretty, but there are sinister elements> > > It is pretty, but there are sinister elements > > Have you heard Merck's "Double Down" compilation? And Mr > Projectile's "Sinking"...
Yes, really, Merck has been hit or miss with me. I like maybe 1/5 of their releases. I would love to hear a new MD album - the Ilkae 12" coming up is fantastic, Double Down and Sinking didn't do much for me. I enjoyed the Secede album quite a lot actually, never been a fan of Machine Drum, Proswell is enjoyable as always. Opinions are fun! Milo
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2004-04-22 12:56Alan R. LockettOn Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0600 acre <lists@acre-c.com> wrote: > The Proem album was ab
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quoted 2 lines The Proem album was absolutely ruined just for that first line> The Proem album was absolutely ruined just for that first line > "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead."
It's a strange proposition for me that an entire album can be 'absolutely ruined' by one line of text. To be honest, I didn't even register that line. If I even perceived it, it didn't hang around and influence my perception of the album as a whole. An analogy: the Esem track 'ilkae' from a couple of years ago contains a preset synth sound which when it appears grates on me terribly. I hate that sound. But I still listen to the track and the rest of the EP and do not allow this to overspill onto my overall enjoyment. I don't know what others think about this. If you order a starter in a restaurant which has a nasty taste, is the rest of meal rendered totally unstomachable?
quoted 3 lines I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not saying> I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not saying > anything of value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---It's > just stupid.
We have to take the statement about sense of humour on trust. But as for the rest of the statement, it seems to contain a number of embedded assumptions and value judgments, which I personally would also question, namely:- - that a piece of text must be saying something 'of value' to justify its inclusion on a piece of music. - that 'value' is a property that can be attributed to something independently of the valuer's appraisal system. - that something needs to be said 'in an objective way' to validate it. - that 'stupidity' is an attribute that operates independently of the valuer's appraisal system etc Not wishing to labour the point, but... ;-)
quoted 2 lines Too much of the album as a whole seems to lack depth, not sonically> Too much of the album as a whole seems to lack depth, not sonically > but conceptually.
I'm not sure what's being said here. What albums would be proposed as having this 'conceptual depth' that Proem's lacks?
quoted 3 lines Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more> Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more > character and atmosphere. It is really a step towards what I feel needs to > happen with electronic music.
It seems to me that the concepts of 'character and atmosphere' and the notion of 'what I feel needs to happen' are entirely spurious except as reference points for people who know what the poster of this e-mail's musical predilections are.
quoted 6 lines It is pretty, but there are sinister> It is pretty, but there are sinister > elements, some sort of antagonist that I think a lot of recent electronic > music is lacking (Xela, Mum, practically anything that has come out on CCO > or Morr in the last couple years after they both lost their touch... etc). > It's more real and raw. I could go on but this is pretentious and stupid > enough.
Er...
quoted 1 line All a matter of opinion of course.> All a matter of opinion of course.
You said it :-) alan
quoted 28 lines ----- Original Message -----> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Sorenson" <eric@explosive.net> > To: "acre" <lists@acre-c.com> > Cc: "Corbin, Nick" <Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] Excellent New Merck... > > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote: > > > > > Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm > > > concerned. > > > > That is saying a lot, especially considering the Tiki Obmar album. > > And _serial human_. And the mfk'n Proem album. Are you sure about that?? > > > > (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?) > > > > -- > > > > Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-04-22 16:10Eric SorensonOn Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Alan R. Lockett wrote: > An analogy: the Esem track 'ilkae' from a co
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quoted 6 lines An analogy: the Esem track 'ilkae' from a couple of years ago contains a> An analogy: the Esem track 'ilkae' from a couple of years ago contains a > preset synth sound which when it appears grates on me terribly. I hate that > sound. But I still listen to the track and the rest of the EP and do not > allow this to overspill onto my overall enjoyment. I don't know what others > think about this. If you order a starter in a restaurant which has a nasty > taste, is the rest of meal rendered totally unstomachable?
The preset that plays the melody in Autechre's "Autriche" (tk 3 on Incunabula) makes me wince in pain exactly this way. It's awful! But, I agree with you, it doesn't mean the _album_ is ruined, it just means I rip the CD and delete that mp3 out of the directory.
quoted 6 lines [ acre wrote: ]> [ acre wrote: ] > > Too much of the album as a whole seems to lack depth, not sonically > > but conceptually. > > I'm not sure what's being said here. What albums would be proposed as > having this 'conceptual depth' that Proem's lacks?
William Basinski's _Disintigration Loops_, perhaps?
quoted 4 lines It's more real and raw. I could go on but this is pretentious and stupid> > It's more real and raw. I could go on but this is pretentious and stupid > > enough. > > Er...
Actually this is what I was hoping to instigate with my first reply, something a bit more in depth than "best Merck EVAR!!!". Thanks. -- Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 16:26atomly[Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net>] > The preset that plays the melody in Autechre's "Aut
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quoted 4 lines The preset that plays the melody in Autechre's "Autriche" (tk 3 on> The preset that plays the melody in Autechre's "Autriche" (tk 3 on > Incunabula) makes me wince in pain exactly this way. It's awful! But, > I agree with you, it doesn't mean the _album_ is ruined, it just means > I rip the CD and delete that mp3 out of the directory.
Wow, you really don't like that synth? I love that synth. Especially when they solo it out at like 2:30. Also, are either of the above referred to (one snipped) synths "presets?" I'm curious why you guys refer to them as that-- do you recognize them from a synth you have or something? -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 16:42Eric SorensonOn Thu, 22 Apr 2004, atomly wrote: > Also, are either of the above referred to (one snippe
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quoted 3 lines Also, are either of the above referred to (one snipped) synths> Also, are either of the above referred to (one snipped) synths > "presets?" I'm curious why you guys refer to them as that-- do you > recognize them from a synth you have or something?
The one in Autriche sounds exactly like an old three-octave Casio I used to have, with a little reverb on it... -- Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 16:51listsOn Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:56:35 +0100, Alan R. Lockett wrote > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -
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quoted 16 lines On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0600 acre <lists@acre-c.com> wrote:> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0600 acre <lists@acre-c.com> wrote: > > > The Proem album was absolutely ruined just for that first line > > "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead." > > It's a strange proposition for me that an entire album can be > 'absolutely ruined' by one line of text. To be honest, I didn't even > register that line. If I even perceived it, it didn't hang around > and influence my perception of the album as a whole. An analogy: the > Esem track 'ilkae' from a couple of years ago contains a preset > synth sound which when it appears grates on me terribly. I hate that > sound. But I still listen to the track and the rest of the EP and do > not allow this to overspill onto my overall enjoyment. I don't know > what others think about this. If you order a starter in a restaurant > which has a nasty taste, is the rest of meal rendered totally unstomachable? >
By including that, immediately I realized that there was nothing of depth involved (again, I'm speaking conceptually). I feel that including this line is shallow, lacks creativity and achieves absolutely nothing. With that, a precedent was set for the rest of the album and the rest of the album confirms what I felt when I heard that line - simple as that.
quoted 1 line I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not> > I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not
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quoted 1 line anything of value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---> > anything of value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---
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quoted 9 lines just stupid.> > just stupid. > > We have to take the statement about sense of humour on trust. But as > for the rest of the statement, it seems to contain a number of > embedded assumptions and value judgments, which I personally would > also question, namely:- > > - that a piece of text must be saying something 'of value' to > justify its inclusion on a piece of music.
I think that every frequency of sound should be justified. Too much music exists "just because" when really there needs to be something backing it. I would like to discuss this with Proem and try to understand why he would choose to add such nonsense to an otherwise great track. I don't feel that any justification exists. - that 'value' is a
quoted 2 lines property that can be attributed to something independently of the> property that can be attributed to something independently of the > valuer's appraisal system.
I observe this. - that something needs to be said 'in an
quoted 1 line objective way' to validate it.> objective way' to validate it.
This is putting words in my mouth. - that 'stupidity' is an attribute
quoted 1 line that operates independently of the valuer's appraisal system etc> that operates independently of the valuer's appraisal system etc
Stupid is something I would equate to lacking justification, see above.
quoted 8 lines Not wishing to labour the point, but... ;-)> > Not wishing to labour the point, but... ;-) > > > Too much of the album as a whole seems to lack depth, not sonically > > but conceptually. > > I'm not sure what's being said here. What albums would be proposed as > having this 'conceptual depth' that Proem's lacks?
Mahavishnu - Inner Mounting Flame Stevie Wonder - Innervisions Boards of Canada - Geogaddi Miles - Bitches Brew Freescha - What's Come Inside of You Marvin Gaye - What's Going On Autechre - Draft 7.30 / Confield
quoted 3 lines Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more> > > Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more > > character and atmosphere. It is really a step towards what I feel needs
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quoted 6 lines happen with electronic music.> > happen with electronic music. > > It seems to me that the concepts of 'character and atmosphere' and > the notion of 'what I feel needs to happen' are entirely spurious > except as reference points for people who know what the poster of > this e-mail's musical predilections are.
What "I feel needs to happen" is evident in Helios' album. That is the reference point I am speaking about.
quoted 9 lines It is pretty, but there are sinister> > > It is pretty, but there are sinister > > elements, some sort of antagonist that I think a lot of recent electronic > > music is lacking (Xela, Mum, practically anything that has come out on CCO > > or Morr in the last couple years after they both lost their touch... etc). > > It's more real and raw. I could go on but this is pretentious and stupid > > enough. > > Er...
I'm suprised no one jumped on my ass about the CCO/Morr comment, how do people feel about their recent output?
quoted 5 lines All a matter of opinion of course.> > > All a matter of opinion of course. > > You said it :-) >
Of course, and I absolutely respect and value your response. Thanks! Milo
quoted 17 lines alan> alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eric Sorenson" <eric@explosive.net> > > To: "acre" <lists@acre-c.com> > > Cc: "Corbin, Nick" <Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] Excellent New Merck... > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote: > > > > > > > Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm > > > > concerned. > > > > > > That is saying a lot, especially considering the Tiki Obmar album. > > > And _serial human_. And the mfk'n Proem album. Are you sure about
that??
quoted 24 lines (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?)> > > > > > (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ---------------------- > Alan Lockett, (Senior Language Co-ordinator, EFL), > Language Centre, University of Bristol, > 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol BS8 1PY, UK > Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk > tel: +44 117 3310914 fax: +44 117 9741377 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2004-04-22 17:57atomly[lists <lists@acre-c.com>] > By including that, immediately I realized that there was noth
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quoted 11 lines By including that, immediately I realized that there was nothing of depth> By including that, immediately I realized that there was nothing of depth > involved (again, I'm speaking conceptually). I feel that including this line > is shallow, lacks creativity and achieves absolutely nothing. With that, a > precedent was set for the rest of the album and the rest of the album > confirms what I felt when I heard that line - simple as that. > > I think that every frequency of sound should be justified. Too much music > exists "just because" when really there needs to be something backing it. I > would like to discuss this with Proem and try to understand why he would > choose to add such nonsense to an otherwise great track. I don't feel that > any justification exists.
So, wait, you're totally contradicting yourself here. In one breath you talk about how the line just reaffirmed your belief that the album lacked creativity and in the next you say it ruined "an otherwise great track." Which is it? -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 06:10Marc Hermannyes i listened to the samples months ago, my absolut fav. is nine black alps ..(http://www
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yes i listened to the samples months ago, my absolut fav. is nine black alps ..(http://www.m3rck.net/html/discog/merck26-3.m3u) think i'll order it, if i knew where... i live in switzerland..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbin, Nick" <Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: [idm] Excellent New Merck... hi! just listening to the new album on merck - 'unomia' by helios - and it's raher good. lots of lush melodies, lovely beats, bits of guitar and piano and environmental samples... but rather than me making a hash of trying to describe it check out the samples at http://www.m3rck.net/ cheers! [nick] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 11:21David HodgsonAt 08:10 22/04/2004 +0200, Marc Hermann wrote: >yes i listened to the samples months ago,
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At 08:10 22/04/2004 +0200, Marc Hermann wrote:
quoted 3 lines yes i listened to the samples months ago, my absolut fav. is nine black alps>yes i listened to the samples months ago, my absolut fav. is nine black alps >..(http://www.m3rck.net/html/discog/merck26-3.m3u) >think i'll order it, if i knew where... i live in switzerland.....
Playing By Ear ships to Switzerland (4-6 DAY SERVICE) ...take advantage of the weak US dollar! HELIOS & all M3RCK CDs $14 + p&h ...MR. PROJECTILE / PROEM / SYNDRONE also excellent!!! cheers. david / pbe / new mexico ...mail order with altitude! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 13:10seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan R. Lockett" > acre wrote: > > The Proem album was
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quoted 3 lines acre wrote:> acre wrote: > > The Proem album was absolutely ruined just for that first line > > "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead."
quoted 2 lines It's a strange proposition for me that an entire album can be 'absolutely> It's a strange proposition for me that an entire album can be 'absolutely > ruined' by one line of text. .
I don't agree. A strange line of text - one that personally irks the listener - is as annoying as an anticipated scratch on a vinyl record with such damage, and can ruin the entire recording. The difference: one can replace a scratched record, however, one has to trash the Proem. It's odd, listening to a Sister Nancy record, 'One Two', on cd, and ~not~ hearing the scratch on the disc that's on my vinyl copy: an different take on 'phantom pain'. seek np: Digitonal - '23 Things Fall Apart' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-04-22 18:13seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "atomly" > So, wait, you're totally contradicting yours
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quoted 5 lines So, wait, you're totally contradicting yourself here. In one breath you> So, wait, you're totally contradicting yourself here. In one breath you > talk about how the line just reaffirmed your belief that the album > lacked creativity and in the next you say it ruined "an otherwise great > track." Which is it? > :: atomly ::
Bush sucks, philippe-petit is right-on, and Merck are 50/50. seek np: Speicher 11-15 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org