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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:55:14 -0400

quoted 20 lines i thought i'd chime in with some recommendations of CD's i didn't

>i thought i'd chime in with some recommendations of CD's i didn't >know i'd ever like. the reason is that both CDs seem to be >influenced by house, which is not a genre i have any interest in. >however, like jungle or breakbeat, i found that it has been an >influence on some artists who've taken it in an unexpected direction >to the point where it's no longer what it was. > >the first CD is 'ion' by theorem. i bought this at a place formerly >called "house of trance" in the east village of nyc, and my friend >and i were looking for anything dark. 3 years later, this is the >only CD that has survived that passing interest in dark trance. the >cover attracted me right away, reminiscent of new order and joy >division with its clean, minimal design, muted colors, and short, >enigmatic track titles. this is closer to what i imagine is deep >house, at least it sounds deep to me. solid 4/4 electronic kick >drums thudding away, with ultra-minimal 303-ish basslines, and >intermittent muddy synth stabs with tons of reverb on them. that's >pretty much it, though other little hi-hat interludes and synth >countermelodies pop in and out. quite mellow, good to chill out to >without falling asleep, or any other low-light activities.

just for a little clarification, theorem produced (still produces?) techno / minimal tech. and if you wanna hear deep house, go to dylandrazen.com or sunday-sessions.com and listen to the house mixes. if you like theorem, you might want to try other labels that release "deep" minimal techno like chain reaction / basic channel, force, background, minus, and so on. peace! sean _______________________________________________________________________ Sent via Pace University's WebMail system at stmail.pace.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines if you like theorem, you might want to try other labels that release

>if you like theorem, you might want to try other labels that release >"deep" minimal techno like chain reaction / basic channel, force, >background, minus, and so on.

thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909 and 303, the latin pianos, the syncopated chord stabs, the wailing divas) or even techno variants on house. however, i have to admit that there were a few things similar to theorem i must have heard when dragged to some clubs awhile back. when i saw underworld at field day this past june, some of their songs vaguely resembled what i mean. i can do without the vocals though. there's also a few old acid-like tracks that i kind of liked. synth hooks really similar to 808 state's "cubik", but i could never find out what they were. they were probably white-labels but they must have eventually made it onto CD somewhere. oh, and i think the first lords of acid CD is hilarious. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

There is lots of good stuff like this (minamal/deep/dubby/un-cheesy/no-vocal/techno/house) on the mp3 label Thinner - http://thinnerism.com/ although i wouldn't bother with their latest release by krill.minima on 9/13/03 12:28 PM, Sean at sm66220n@stmail.pace.edu wrote:

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> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:55:14 -0400 > >> i thought i'd chime in with some recommendations of CD's i didn't >> know i'd ever like. the reason is that both CDs seem to be >> influenced by house, which is not a genre i have any interest in. >> however, like jungle or breakbeat, i found that it has been an >> influence on some artists who've taken it in an unexpected direction >> to the point where it's no longer what it was. >> >> the first CD is 'ion' by theorem...this is closer to what i imagine is deep >> house, at least it sounds deep to me. solid 4/4 electronic kick >> drums thudding away, with ultra-minimal 303-ish basslines, and >> intermittent muddy synth stabs with tons of reverb on them. that's >> pretty much it, though other little hi-hat interludes and synth >> countermelodies pop in and out. quite mellow, good to chill out to >> without falling asleep, or any other low-light activities. > > just for a little clarification, theorem produced (still produces?) techno / > minimal tech. and if you wanna hear deep house, go to dylandrazen.com or > sunday-sessions.com and listen to the house mixes. > > if you like theorem, you might want to try other labels that release "deep" > minimal techno like chain reaction / basic channel, force, background, minus, > and so on. > > peace! > sean > > _______________________________________________________________________

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quoted 3 lines thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909

> thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909 > and 303, the latin pianos, the syncopated chord stabs, the wailing > divas) or even techno variants on house.

Well, uh, your loss. There's a ton of exciting, high quality house - say, for example Herbert, Luomo, Akufen, Farben, The Soft Pink Truth etc etc etc. You might also want to consider loosening up your house-stereotypes, there are many, many different ways of doing house... .: visa tapani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 8 lines thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909

> > thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909 >> and 303, the latin pianos, the syncopated chord stabs, the wailing >> divas) or even techno variants on house. > >Well, uh, your loss. There's a ton of exciting, high quality house - say, >for example Herbert, Luomo, Akufen, Farben, The Soft Pink Truth etc etc etc. >You might also want to consider loosening up your house-stereotypes, there >are many, many different ways of doing house...

i'm always open to new (or new to me) things that are good. it's just that every place i've ever been to that plays house pretty much stays within the parameters i mentioned, and while that may have been novel to me in 1990, it's not now. if you know where there's a load of sound clips of these other, better variants i can check out, please post. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

funny, even Thomas Brinkman can be called house producer, like in Soul Center. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

House is as varied as Chris Gray, The Perlon label, Hakan Lidbo - heck, the whole Basic Channel sound has been nicknamed "heroin house". Depends on where your ears are, but along those lines it can be heard in a lot of the German stuffs which can be defined along minimal house/techno lines. To dis house generally can be seen to dismiss the likes of Kompakt, etc. Many people would argue that handbag house is not at all an accurate representation of house any more than Moby is an accurate representation of techno. jeff

quoted 3 lines thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909

>> > thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909 >>> and 303, the latin pianos, the syncopated chord stabs, the wailing >>> divas) or even techno variants on house...

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quoted 4 lines Well, uh, your loss. There's a ton of exciting, high quality house - say,

>>Well, uh, your loss. There's a ton of exciting, high quality house - say, >>for example Herbert, Luomo, Akufen, Farben, The Soft Pink Truth etc etc etc. >>You might also want to consider loosening up your house-stereotypes, there >>are many, many different ways of doing house...

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quoted 1 line The REAL Mxyzptlk <therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net> wrote::

>The REAL Mxyzptlk <therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net> wrote::

quoted 9 lines House is as varied as Chris Gray, The Perlon label, Hakan Lidbo -

>House is as varied as Chris Gray, The Perlon label, Hakan Lidbo - >heck, the whole Basic Channel sound has been nicknamed "heroin >house". >Depends on where your ears are, but along those lines it can be >heard in a lot of the German stuffs which can be defined along >minimal house/techno lines. To dis house generally can be seen to >dismiss the likes of Kompakt, etc. Many people would argue that >handbag house is not at all an accurate representation of house any >more than Moby is an accurate representation of techno.

funny, i know moby is considered the mainstream end of techno, but i hear just as much house (of the style i mentioned) in his music - more organic samples, etc. as far as genre sterotypes, you have to understand that anyone outside any given genre hears those first. i could just as easily describe goth as minor-key, bassline-driven, midtempo guitar-rock with deep male or shrieky female vocals singing about various aspects of darkness. unfortunately, i've been there and done that, and a lot of people see, to want that rigid definition to stick. and so, any number of only vaguely related dark music genres have sprung up...yet to the casual observer, marilyn manson, the cure, death in june, evanescence, and the soundtrack of bram stoker's dracula are all goth. you've heard the saying that there are only two types of music - good and bad. even that simple distinction is obviously subjective, but it starts getting to the fact that enjoying music can often cut across the distinctions between different styles. i wasn't trying to trash house as a genre, only pointing out that my experience of it has been what i described. if i can get into theorem, deadbeat, lords of acid, and some anonymous white-labels here and there, there may be more out there i could also enjoy. i just haven't heard it yet. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines if you know where there's a load of sound clips of these other,

> if you know where there's a load of sound clips of these other, > better variants i can check out, please post.

Well, if Soulseek is against your moral, I'm sure there are some net radios that play this stuff. I haven't paid that much attention to them, since I don't really have the required bandwith, but I'm sure someone else can give you decent suggestions. Then there are of course these sites like amazon.com and groovetech.net that offer short, low quality samples of their records, but these samples don't really do justice to the original tracks... .: visa tapani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line Well, if Soulseek is against your moral,

>Well, if Soulseek is against your moral,

never heard of it. since you're bringing up morals i assume it's along the lines of gnutella or napster?

quoted 2 lines I'm sure there are some net radios

>I'm sure there are some net radios >that play this stuff.

i've been looking for netradio streams that aren't blocked at my job. there are some things that play through realplayer, like the "radio shows" at the neo ouija site (several are quite good).

quoted 3 lines Then there are of course these sites like amazon.com

>Then there are of course these sites like amazon.com >and groovetech.net that offer short, low quality samples of their records, >but these samples don't really do justice to the original tracks...

of course, i know that. however, i'm generally of the opinion that if a crappy realaudio sample or half-assed mp3 can pique my interest, the album is probably worth getting. there's only been a couple of cases where the inferior sound quality actually made it sound better and i was disappointed with the real thing. funny that. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Ok, so we know there's house & techno that are pretty enjoyable - force inc./kompakt/basic channel etc. What if you are into the syncopated groove of ukgarage but don't want all the cheesy annoying stuff. where do you go? (i mean: what do you listen to?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Saturday, September 13, 2003, at 06:29 PM, a75 wrote:

quoted 6 lines Ok, so we know there's house & techno that are pretty enjoyable -

> Ok, so we know there's house & techno that are pretty enjoyable - > force inc./kompakt/basic channel etc. > > What if you are into the syncopated groove of ukgarage but > don't want all the cheesy annoying stuff. where do you go? > (i mean: what do you listen to?)

The Streets? aka Mike Skinner, a rapper/producer from London that uses garage-like beats. It's pretty good, but maybe not for everyone. http://www.the-streets.co.uk/ Squarepusher also has a garage piss take called My Red Hot car...you've probably heard that though. -- Tim Moore --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The best thing I have heard along that lines is the Radioactive Man - Ave That (Tim Wright remix). That's a good tune! You might want to give Horsepower Productions and Maddslinky a listen. I'm not into this stuff, but there tunes sound better than most of the 2 Step stuff I have heard. Hope this helps. - W --- a75 <a@adrien75.com> wrote:

quoted 9 lines Ok, so we know there's house & techno that are

> Ok, so we know there's house & techno that are > pretty enjoyable - > force inc./kompakt/basic channel etc. > > What if you are into the syncopated groove of > ukgarage but > don't want all the cheesy annoying stuff. where do > you go? > (i mean: what do you listen to?)

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I was just about to mention Tim Wright - he's a mate of mine, and people seem to think he does garage (I'm not sure of these genres, so maybe he does!). Anyway, check out the 12"s on NovaMute (esp. "The Lunge"/"Going down") - fantastic... On a (slightly) more 'house' tip, you could do worse than check out his 'Tube Jerk' abums on Sativae records - 'Fold' is now out of print, but 'Shift' is a grand chunk'o'music - reminiscent of his 'Germ' period, it manages to survive listening and dancing... john.. PS: any UK idm-ers want to get their hands on the latest copy of the "robots and electronic brains" fanzine, we're running a competition of sorts for five copies - each comes with a CD featuring four 'minimism' artists... ============ label: http://www.minimism.com/ music: http://www.namke.com/ ============ ============ Quoting William Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com>:

quoted 31 lines The best thing I have heard along that lines is the

> The best thing I have heard along that lines is the > Radioactive Man - Ave That (Tim Wright remix). That's > a good tune! > > You might want to give Horsepower Productions and > Maddslinky a listen. I'm not into this stuff, but > there tunes sound better than most of the 2 Step stuff > I have heard. Hope this helps. - W > > --- a75 <a@adrien75.com> wrote: > > Ok, so we know there's house & techno that are > > pretty enjoyable - > > force inc./kompakt/basic channel etc. > > > > What if you are into the syncopated groove of > > ukgarage but > > don't want all the cheesy annoying stuff. where do > > you go? > > (i mean: what do you listen to?) > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, at 05:30 PM, visa wrote:

quoted 14 lines if you know where there's a load of sound clips of these other,

>> if you know where there's a load of sound clips of these other, >> better variants i can check out, please post. > > Well, if Soulseek is against your moral, I'm sure there are some net > radios > that play this stuff. I haven't paid that much attention to them, > since I > don't really have the required bandwith, but I'm sure someone else can > give > you decent suggestions. Then there are of course these sites like > amazon.com > and groovetech.net that offer short, low quality samples of their > records, > but these samples don't really do justice to the original tracks...

I think someone might have already mentioned this, but http://www.dylandrazen.com/ has a bunch of good quality mixtapes/DJ sets in various styles of house and techno from super minimal to noisy and hard. There are mp3 downloads of many of them, so a firewall is no problem. -- Tim Moore --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

the idea of IDM-approved anything scares me, but i'll venture a few answers anyway. the garage most likely to appeal to IDM heads right now is "grime," which is a really primitive-sounding, low-end-intensive strain of blipment brutalism, generally with raps (though most of the 12s come with instrumentals). dizzee rascal is the best example here - he just won the mercury prize. you sleep on his debut album, "boy in da corner" at your own peril. bbc.co.uk's 1xtra program has a good selection of mainstream and underground garage on its mixshows. blissout.blogspot.com and heronbone.blogspot.com are good places to find out about grime producers. finally, the tempa records (horsepower productions) camp is indeed a good place to find the deeper, dubbier end of the spectrum; check out clips from many of those producers at www.dubplate.net. ---- philip sherburne full sentences on demand some articles: http://www.neumu.net/needledrops a blog: http://minima-moralia.blogspot.com subscribe if you know what¹s good for you: http://www.flavorpill.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 14/09/03 9:55 am the person going by the name Philip Sherburne at psherburne@mindspring.com spake :

quoted 2 lines dizzee rascal is the best example here - he just won the mercury prize. you

> dizzee rascal is the best example here - he just won the mercury prize. you > sleep on his debut album, "boy in da corner" at your own peril.

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Doesn't SND's 'TenderLove' use the 2 step time signature? Prolly not what you're looking for but a very interesting release.

hmmm, there's an idea. haven't heard 'tenderlove' but 'makesndcassette' had some pretty nice rhythms. i didn't really notice this when i first got it, i found it too minimal/muted. I wasn't really into the minimal aesthetic back then so i didn't really notice how funky it was. Luckily I decided to dust it off and revisit it 3 years later. on 9/14/03 9:12 AM, Oneaphex@aol.com at Oneaphex@aol.com wrote:

quoted 3 lines Doesn't SND's 'TenderLove' use the 2 step time signature? Prolly not w

> Doesn't SND's 'TenderLove' use the 2 step time signature? Prolly not what > you're looking for but a very interesting release. >

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I can't believe nobody mentioned Ardisson on Seed. I think it's prolly the closest to the idm/2-step idea. Thumbs up on the Tempa and Tube Jerk stuff, too. I hearby throw the term "breakstep" onto the subgenre pyre. I truly wish I could find some more "grime" records in the states, tho... Any brave souls out there feel like trying to import some? oh yeah, and one of my favorite retail stories of late: multiple, separate 50+ yr.old guys, haven't heard electronic since Tangerine Dream (didn't like it), looking for something fresh. I ask them what they're into, they say they want something crazy, they love free jazz, so I give them Venetian Snares "Higgins...". They listen for about 3 minutes with a gaping smile and then buy it immediately, claiming they're gonna play it on their NPR show or whatever - every single time, 100% hit rate. God, just wait till they hear Otto Von... Love it or hate it, I have a distinct feeling breakcore or whatever is going to be a big part of electronic music's medium-term future... chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Samuels" <w_technoir@yahoo.com> To: "a75" <a@adrien75.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM approved 2step/Garage

quoted 30 lines The best thing I have heard along that lines is the

> The best thing I have heard along that lines is the > Radioactive Man - Ave That (Tim Wright remix). That's > a good tune! > > You might want to give Horsepower Productions and > Maddslinky a listen. I'm not into this stuff, but > there tunes sound better than most of the 2 Step stuff > I have heard. Hope this helps. - W > > --- a75 <a@adrien75.com> wrote: > > Ok, so we know there's house & techno that are > > pretty enjoyable - > > force inc./kompakt/basic channel etc. > > > > What if you are into the syncopated groove of > > ukgarage but > > don't want all the cheesy annoying stuff. where do > > you go? > > (i mean: what do you listen to?) > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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More breaks than 2step/garage but all worth checking out: Si Begg - Director's Cut LP (Novamute) Not as consistant as his last Si Futures album but has some great 2 step moments, like the forthcoming single "Buss". DJ Ghostfader feat. Fuzzy - Eat A Peach (B Rave) Just got this recently, the A side is the only really good track here, not IDM at all actually, just pure 2-step silliness Various Artists - Heavyweight Breaks Vol 2(Supercharged) Some really good breaks tunes here, check out the sound samples: http://www.tunes.co.uk/tunes/featured/7337.html -skkatter ===== http://www.skkatter.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org