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Just a short recap of what I've seen this year at Mutek ... Unfortunatly, I didn't go to any of the day shows ... The ugly : Pole : horrible excursion into rap/hip-hop ... music was awfull ... Philipp Quehenberger : bad amateur industrial music, lousy singer. Cristof Migone and Reconaissance (Oren Ambarchi and Martin Ng) : introspection into nothing, worthless. Algorithm : like a bad CD, and you can't ffwd between tracks. The good : Myléna Bergeron : for her naivety. Tim Hecker : ambient that I liked. T.Raumschmiere : for his energy, his presence. Magda : nice minimal tech-house DJ set, Coil (first time for me) ambient, with and wihout beats. Matthew Dear : cool tech-house, Lucianno : same as Matthew dear, but with more stage presence. Deadbeat : deep dubby rythm. Mambotur : latino tech-house, that didn't buried itself into too much latino beats... The very good : Robin Judge : groovy minimal tech-house, nice openner for the final Cobblestone Jazz : tech-house, with some jazz fusion twist. Clinker : pulsative ambient. Telefon Tel-aviv : wow, ambient breakbeat, some drill'n'bass, great melodies. Monolake : Impressive, clean, hard, monolake sound, huge sound presence. great performance (did I understand correctly that it will be his last CD/show, or the last song will be on his next CD ? ) Narod Niki : Richie Hawtin, Akufen, Riccardo Villalobos, Dimbiman, Dandy Jack, Lucianno, and 2 others that I forgot there names ( they're from Montreal ) all on stage, live laptop improvisation, hard-tech-house, joined with Robert Henke at the mixing console, wow, this was an event by itself, all played well, all had fun, the unclassable !! : Senor Coconut, what can I say, a latino experience, more serious than expected, less electronic than I expected, every liked it! ----- Maximilien Lincourt maximilien dot lincourt at Mayahtt dot com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i heard pole in nyc recently must agree that his breakbeat or whatever you call it stuff is no good __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The good: T.Raumschmiere -- he brought the dead back to life after the terrible set by P.Quehenberger. Punk rock meets hardcore meets sexy tech-house with wicked basslines and unbelievable stage presence. Kinda like a non-repulisve GG Allin with trucker hat, wifebeater and full beard. The bad: The "turntablist" Experience 1 feat. Philip Jeck, Mirina Rosenfeld, Martin Ng, et al. "scratching" noise. Fucking jerk-off bullshit that proves, finally, that lots of weird turntables does not make good music, unless you happen to be an editor for the Wire. The ugly: The fucking turtleneckin' IDM fanboy who told me was I talking too loud during the above-mentioned "bad" set and that it had been the worst 3 minutes of his mutek experience. Hey shithead: go fuck yourself. If you want to enjoy bad non-music without hearing conversations, DONT GO TO A FUCKING CLUB TO HEAR IT. Stay at home with your records in their plastic bags and listen to your "art" on the fucking headphones, asshole. The very good: Kontakt der Junglinge. Wow, wow, wow. Unbelievably focused ambience that had me creaming my pants. And yes, Senor Coconut's set was quite different, and very fun. w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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I'm just listening to the Telefon Tel Aviv show (on the mutek site), and this is so good, it gives me chills just listening to it, great.... again, one of the best of mutek ...

quoted 1 line Telefon Tel-aviv : wow, ambient breakbeat, some drill'n'bass, great

> Telefon Tel-aviv : wow, ambient breakbeat, some drill'n'bass, great

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quoted 3 lines i heard pole in nyc recently

> i heard pole in nyc recently > must agree that his breakbeat or whatever you > call it stuff is no good

I've heard this comment from many people lately (both at Movement/DEMF and Mutek), and have to wonder about it. Are those who are saying Pole's new music with Fat John is bad saying this because they dislike hip-hop in general, or because they think the new material is bad hip-hop? In other words, would you dislike any material that Pole produced with an MC, or do you have an interest or background in the music that helps you view the new Pole material in a critical context, comparing it to other hip-hop? This is not a flame, just an honest question to help me understand the opinions of others. I personally enjoyed the new material very much; there were definitely points where Fat John was a little off the rhythm track; I chalked it up to the riddim being so sparse in points. bvl -- http://www.chromedecay.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The rapper himself is ok, but the music sucks! no vibe, no soul ... I sometimes like rap (hip hop) but not what Pole is trying to do with it. Pole music was and still is into the minimal dub style, he decided to add some hip-hop flavor to it, and for me, it didn't work, it didn't have the same feel as (for example) tricky, Spectre (Second Coming), or some of the tracks on the "Destruction of Syntax" compilation on SubHarmonic. When I find that I like a rap/hiphop song, it always is in the darker side of the spectrum, with a lot of ambience, and deepness to the beats, bass and the voice needs to do more than just rap.

quoted 8 lines Are those who are saying Pole's new music with Fat John is bad saying

> Are those who are saying Pole's new music with Fat John is bad saying > this because they dislike hip-hop in general, or because they think the > new material is bad hip-hop? In other words, would you dislike any > material that Pole produced with an MC, or do you have an interest or > background in the music that helps you view the new Pole material in a > critical context, comparing it to other hip-hop? This is not a flame, > just an honest question to help me understand the opinions of others. >

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I haven't heard Fat John/Pole work; but each MC has a unique relationship to the beat. Some guys ride it, some guys don't. Some of my MC friends who are generally regarded as tight always sound rushed and behind the beat to me, but eveybody besides me seems to think they're tight. I recently got to see the Last Poets, and they perform with a conga player, but never try and ride the beat at all, yet somehow it all works out. Eminem's flow I've always found to be incredible; he has a unique approach to the beat, riding it and cutting loose from it but always sounding tight. Shame he doesn't elevate his subject matter and work with more interesting producers. On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Bill Van Loo wrote:

quoted 5 lines I personally enjoyed the new material very much; there were definitely

> > I personally enjoyed the new material very much; there were definitely > points where Fat John was a little off the rhythm track; I chalked it up > to the riddim being so sparse in points. >

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must correct smthng what i heard was more along the line of 45/45, not really a breakbeat or hiphop, but with a touch of it i like wht is called sometimes dub poetry, sort of capleton style, toasting to slow dub i guess that would have been an ideal invironment for Pole's hip/hop experiments __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Fat Jon as emcee - mediocre, but as a producer - watch out. Check out the "Maurice Galactica" album or his work as 3582 with my man Jason Rawls (Lone Catalysts). He delves into everything from smoked-out jazzy trip-hop to spacy House (literally) and his last full length album with his hip-hop group Five Deez is an instant classic. JS _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I agree, T. Raumschmeire's set rocked hard. I actually did an interview with him (Marco Haas) which I will post on the list next week. Most of the material he played is from his new, album which will be coming out on Nova Mute this Sept (can't wait). Other highlights: Tomas Koner Monolake Senor Coconut The entire Plus 8 night (Jermy Caufield, Magda, Mathew Dear, Rich Hawtin) Allstar laptop jam with (Akufen, Rich Hawtin, Ricardo Villalobos, Dandy Jack, Lucien, Monolake, Dan Bell) -Sean ^(|_|)^

quoted 33 lines From: wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com>

>From: wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] mutek 2003, the good, the ugly and the Very good... >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:30:02 -0600 (MDT) > >The good: T.Raumschmiere -- he brought the dead back to life after the >terrible set by P.Quehenberger. Punk rock meets hardcore meets sexy >tech-house with wicked basslines and unbelievable stage presence. Kinda >like a non-repulisve GG Allin with trucker hat, wifebeater and full beard. > >The bad: The "turntablist" Experience 1 feat. Philip Jeck, Mirina >Rosenfeld, Martin Ng, et al. "scratching" noise. Fucking jerk-off bullshit >that proves, finally, that lots of weird turntables does not make good >music, unless you happen to be an editor for the Wire. > >The ugly: The fucking turtleneckin' IDM fanboy who told me was I talking >too loud during the above-mentioned "bad" set and that it had been the >worst 3 minutes of his mutek experience. Hey shithead: go fuck yourself. >If you want to enjoy bad non-music without hearing conversations, DONT GO >TO A FUCKING CLUB TO HEAR IT. Stay at home with your records in their >plastic bags and listen to your "art" on the fucking headphones, asshole. > >The very good: Kontakt der Junglinge. Wow, wow, wow. Unbelievably focused >ambience that had me creaming my pants. And yes, Senor Coconut's set was >quite different, and very fun. > >w > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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The stripped down prog jazz/rock Sixtoo set was killer. P-Love is the master of the stylophone (which is even more impressive given that it arrived in the mail that morning). Seeing Coil was legendary and bordered on religious. Senor Coconut was genius. There were so many levels of humor going on there it's hard to know where to start...a tight pant chilean dude singing "you're all showroom dummies, cha cha cha" is a starting point. Cobblestone Jazz should be burned at the stake. It's 2003...improvised piano noodles over generic house with a vocoder really shouldn't be at a festival of experimental music (or really anywhere for that matter...). Jeff

quoted 70 lines From: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com>

> From: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com> > Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:33:15 -0700 > To: wally@booyaka.com, idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] mutek 2003, the good, the ugly and the Very good... > > I agree, T. Raumschmeire's set rocked hard. I actually did an interview with > him (Marco Haas) which I will post on the list next week. Most of the > material he played is from his new, album which will be coming out on Nova > Mute this Sept (can't wait). > > Other highlights: > > Tomas Koner > Monolake > Senor Coconut > The entire Plus 8 night (Jermy Caufield, Magda, Mathew Dear, Rich Hawtin) > Allstar laptop jam with (Akufen, Rich Hawtin, Ricardo Villalobos, Dandy > Jack, Lucien, Monolake, Dan Bell) > > -Sean > > ^(|_|)^ > > > > > >> From: wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com> >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] mutek 2003, the good, the ugly and the Very good... >> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:30:02 -0600 (MDT) >> >> The good: T.Raumschmiere -- he brought the dead back to life after the >> terrible set by P.Quehenberger. Punk rock meets hardcore meets sexy >> tech-house with wicked basslines and unbelievable stage presence. Kinda >> like a non-repulisve GG Allin with trucker hat, wifebeater and full beard. >> >> The bad: The "turntablist" Experience 1 feat. Philip Jeck, Mirina >> Rosenfeld, Martin Ng, et al. "scratching" noise. Fucking jerk-off bullshit >> that proves, finally, that lots of weird turntables does not make good >> music, unless you happen to be an editor for the Wire. >> >> The ugly: The fucking turtleneckin' IDM fanboy who told me was I talking >> too loud during the above-mentioned "bad" set and that it had been the >> worst 3 minutes of his mutek experience. Hey shithead: go fuck yourself. >> If you want to enjoy bad non-music without hearing conversations, DONT GO >> TO A FUCKING CLUB TO HEAR IT. Stay at home with your records in their >> plastic bags and listen to your "art" on the fucking headphones, asshole. >> >> The very good: Kontakt der Junglinge. Wow, wow, wow. Unbelievably focused >> ambience that had me creaming my pants. And yes, Senor Coconut's set was >> quite different, and very fun. >> >> w >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Jeff/Ninja Tune wrote:

quoted 3 lines Cobblestone Jazz should be burned at the stake. It's 2003...improvised piano

> Cobblestone Jazz should be burned at the stake. It's 2003...improvised piano > noodles over generic house with a vocoder really shouldn't be at a festival > of experimental music (or really anywhere for that matter...).

I disagree. I thought they were way engaged with their music, and although I tend to have an automatic visceral reaction to house, I thought their stuff was really good. In fact, a lot of the experimental stuff I saw was complete crap. At least they weren't using laptops. With few exceptions, I think the laptop aesthetic had to be the single most boring and preditable element at Mutek. YMMV... w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

oh shut the fuck up Im so sick of the laptop backlash its as boring if not more boring then laptop performers... your boring complaints suck!!!! laptop artists are the same as any artist!!!! if you dont feel the music you dont feel it just shut up already! On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, wallace winfrey wrote:

quoted 14 lines complete crap. At least they weren't using laptops. With few exceptions, I

> complete crap. At least they weren't using laptops. With few exceptions, I > think the laptop aesthetic had to be the single most boring and preditable > element at Mutek. > > YMMV... > > w > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 neil@dreaming.org wrote:

quoted 4 lines oh shut the fuck up Im so sick of the laptop backlash its as boring if not

> oh shut the fuck up Im so sick of the laptop backlash its as boring if not > more boring then laptop performers... your boring complaints suck!!!! > laptop artists are the same as any artist!!!! if you dont feel the music > you dont feel it just shut up already!

no you shut the fuck up! no you! no YOU! your boring complaints about my boring complaints suck even harder than my boring complaints do, so let's meet outside and settle this shit mano y mano, grandpa. w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I've seen some people absolutely rock it with a lap-top and I've seen some people fail miserably with a large band. Artists just need to think about how their presenting their material and look for the appropriate space to present in. If you're boring to watch then put together some good visuals to compliment the experience, or pay attention to enviroment and present it in a non-club space. One of my favorite experimental performers is Franciso Lopez. Each time I've seen him the audience has been blind-folded and made to sit down. Makes for an amazing listening experience. I'm sure he's boring as hell to watch. I can't deal with people who put no effort into performance. Jeff

quoted 27 lines From: wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com>

> From: wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com> > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:32:45 -0600 (MDT) > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] mutek 2003, the good, the ugly and the Very good... > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Jeff/Ninja Tune wrote: > >> Cobblestone Jazz should be burned at the stake. It's 2003...improvised piano >> noodles over generic house with a vocoder really shouldn't be at a festival >> of experimental music (or really anywhere for that matter...). > > I disagree. I thought they were way engaged with their music, and although > I tend to have an automatic visceral reaction to house, I thought their > stuff was really good. In fact, a lot of the experimental stuff I saw was > complete crap. At least they weren't using laptops. With few exceptions, I > think the laptop aesthetic had to be the single most boring and preditable > element at Mutek. > > YMMV... > > w > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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<<< I'm just listening to the Telefon Tel Aviv show (on the mutek site), and this is so good, it gives me chills just listening to it, great.... again, one of the best of mutek ...

quoted 1 line Telefon Tel-aviv : wow, ambient breakbeat, some drill'n'bass, great>>>&

>Telefon Tel-aviv : wow, ambient breakbeat, some drill'n'bass, great>>>>>

By far one of the best new artist of the last few years. There melodic content is next level and their production and mix down are top 5 of all time. alan flood _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

NO doubt. Those guys kick some major ass! --Chad http://www.twinesound.com --- "alan flood" <guile133@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 25 lines <<<

><<< >I'm just listening to the Telefon Tel Aviv show (on the mutek site), and >this is >so good, it gives me chills just listening to it, great.... > >again, one of the best of mutek ... > >>Telefon Tel-aviv : wow, ambient breakbeat, some drill'n'bass, great>>>>> > > >By far one of the best new artist of the last few years. There melodic >content is next level and their production and mix down are top 5 of all >time. > > >alan flood > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Chad Mossholder wrote:

quoted 3 lines NO doubt.

> NO doubt. > > Those guys kick some major ass!

if playing tracks more or less unaltered from their CD releases while waving a MIDI controller around hendrix-style is your idea of kicking ass, then yes, i guess i suppose they do. i really liked fahrenheit fair enough, but i was definitely underwhelmed by their live performance. deadbeat was, by far, the most inspiring performance of the night (IMO). w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines if playing tracks more or less unaltered from their CD releases while

> if playing tracks more or less unaltered from their CD releases while > waving a MIDI controller around hendrix-style is your idea of kicking

ass,

quoted 1 line then yes, i guess i suppose they do.

> then yes, i guess i suppose they do.

One thing to remember regarding this performance: it's definitely atypical for TTA. They usually perform with 2 laptops, 2 guitars, bass guitar (with James Hughes on bass duty), Rhodes piano, keyboard, and sometimes a vocalist. The laptop+knob boxes set they did at Mutek isn't how they usually rock it. HOWEVER. I still thought they were fantastic. Charlie from TTA told me before the show that I'd be bored (because they weren't playing much new material, maybe), but on the contrary, their performance was definitely one of the highlights of the festival for me, for a couple reasons. One, they simply played phenomenal tracks. No matter how they were producing it, the actual music coming out of the speakers was excellent. It included a bunch of material I'd never heard (and I have all the releases plus have played with them on the same stage a number of times), and tracks I was familiar with got a new treatment. The symphonic track they played (evidently the only one that's going to be on the new album) was just next-level; super good string parts that alternately soared and were squashed down into millisecond granular bits, then expanded back again to their original majesty. They obviously had a good time on stage, and whether or not you think laptop jocks should get down with their MIDI controllers "Hendrix style", it was fun to watch. As you can probably tell, I'm friends with those guys, and I say that not to impress anyone that I'm "down", just to give full disclosure. Having said that, though, I still rank 'em among the best of the new IDM artists. Their sound is ultra-wide in terms of stereo field, and ultra-deep in terms of frequency range. Their new album will be amazing, I think. bvl -- http://www.chromedecay.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

>The ugly: The fucking turtleneckin' IDM fanboy who told me was I talking >too loud during the above-mentioned "bad" set and that it had been the >worst 3 minutes of his mutek experience. Hey shithead: go fuck yourself. >If you want to enjoy bad non-music without hearing conversations, DONT GO >TO A FUCKING CLUB TO HEAR IT. Stay at home with your records in their >plastic bags and listen to your "art" on the fucking headphones, asshole. I generally dissagree with this statement. If I go to a movie and some knucklehead sitting next to me carries on a conversation with a friend the entire time, I'm gonna ask him to shut up. Is he there to see the movie or talk with friends?I'd be there to see the movie. Of course I wouldn't expect people at a music show to treat it like a museum or a classical concert, but if it gets to be intrusive the yes, quite frankly, take the conversation outside because I'm there to enjoy the music, not listen to you yap.

On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Albers, Brian A. wrote:

quoted 4 lines Of course I wouldn't expect people at a music show to treat it

> Of course I wouldn't expect people at a music show to treat it > like a museum or a classical concert, but if it gets to be intrusive the > yes, quite frankly, take the conversation outside because I'm there to > enjoy the music, not listen to you yap.

Or not. Your music experience is not my responsiblity, homie. It wasn't a fucking museum, it was a club, and I was hardly the only one talking. So, feel free to theoretically tell me to go outside, but expect me to theoretically tell you to go fuck yourself too. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

All this laptop talk intrigues me. What is a laptop? --Chad http://www.twinesound.com ;) --- neil@dreaming.org wrote:

quoted 26 lines oh shut the fuck up Im so sick of the laptop backlash its as boring if not

> >oh shut the fuck up Im so sick of the laptop backlash its as boring if not >more boring then laptop performers... your boring complaints suck!!!! >laptop artists are the same as any artist!!!! if you dont feel the music >you dont feel it just shut up already! > >On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, wallace winfrey wrote: >> complete crap. At least they weren't using laptops. With few exceptions, I >> think the laptop aesthetic had to be the single most boring and preditable >> element at Mutek. >> >> YMMV... >> >> w >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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yo chad sup?" its me Neil aka naw remember me we were supposed to play together a few years ago in celeveland but that never happend for some reason or another then night got cancelled... hope things are going well with you! neil... On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Chad Mossholder wrote:

quoted 48 lines All this laptop talk intrigues me. What is a laptop?

> All this laptop talk intrigues me. What is a laptop? > > --Chad > http://www.twinesound.com > > > > ;) > > --- neil@dreaming.org wrote: > > > >oh shut the fuck up Im so sick of the laptop backlash its as boring if not > >more boring then laptop performers... your boring complaints suck!!!! > >laptop artists are the same as any artist!!!! if you dont feel the music > >you dont feel it just shut up already! > > > >On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, wallace winfrey wrote: > >> complete crap. At least they weren't using laptops. With few exceptions, I > >> think the laptop aesthetic had to be the single most boring and preditable > >> element at Mutek. > >> > >> YMMV... > >> > >> w > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > > _____________________________________________________________ > Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Aaron D Meyers wrote:

quoted 4 lines Wasn't it also a part of a so-called "Music Festival" too? I was under

> Wasn't it also a part of a so-called "Music Festival" too? I was under > the impression people go to those to check out music regardless of what > kind of venue it is. Please don't tell me that you went to Mutek for the > typical social dynamic of a club.

OK, well just to qualify things a bit more, like I said I was hardly the only one talking. There were many, many conversations going on. The atmosphere at Studio, where the incident occured, was quite different than the one at Excentris, where the 3 shows I saw there had very little talking inside the venue (including myself). Plus it was on the balcony, and had little fanboy really been that concerned about hearing every little detail sans peripheral conversations, he could have gone downstairs and laid on the floor like everyone else.

quoted 1 line I would theoretically pour the ass of my beer on your head.

> I would theoretically pour the ass of my beer on your head.

Which would, of course, have invited me to theoretically break your jaw with my fist, cause I'm all gangsta like that. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

One of the best laptop performances I've ever seen was FRANCISCO Lopez's (no relation to J.Lo)performance in PA about 3 years ago. He siomply played for about 20 min. Had no visuals, didn't do anything. In fact he turned out the house lights. So, everyone just listened in the dark. It was truly beautiful! --Chad http://www.twinesound.com --- Jeff/Ninja Tune <jeff@ninjatune.net> wrote:

quoted 47 lines I've seen some people absolutely rock it with a lap-top and I've seen some

>I've seen some people absolutely rock it with a lap-top and I've seen some >people fail miserably with a large band. Artists just need to think about >how their presenting their material and look for the appropriate space to >present in. If you're boring to watch then put together some good visuals to >compliment the experience, or pay attention to enviroment and present it in >a non-club space. One of my favorite experimental performers is Franciso >Lopez. Each time I've seen him the audience has been blind-folded and made >to sit down. Makes for an amazing listening experience. I'm sure he's boring >as hell to watch. I can't deal with people who put no effort into >performance. > >Jeff > > > >> From: wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:32:45 -0600 (MDT) >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] mutek 2003, the good, the ugly and the Very good... >> >> On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Jeff/Ninja Tune wrote: >> >>> Cobblestone Jazz should be burned at the stake. It's 2003...improvised piano >>> noodles over generic house with a vocoder really shouldn't be at a festival >>> of experimental music (or really anywhere for that matter...). >> >> I disagree. I thought they were way engaged with their music, and although >> I tend to have an automatic visceral reaction to house, I thought their >> stuff was really good. In fact, a lot of the experimental stuff I saw was >> complete crap. At least they weren't using laptops. With few exceptions, I >> think the laptop aesthetic had to be the single most boring and preditable >> element at Mutek. >> >> YMMV... >> >> w >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 9 lines Of course I wouldn't expect people at a music show to treat it

> > Of course I wouldn't expect people at a music show to treat it > > like a museum or a classical concert, but if it gets to be intrusive the > > yes, quite frankly, take the conversation outside because I'm there to > > enjoy the music, not listen to you yap. > > Or not. Your music experience is not my responsiblity, homie. It wasn't a > fucking museum, it was a club, and I was hardly the only one talking. So, > feel free to theoretically tell me to go outside, but expect me to > theoretically tell you to go fuck yourself too.

I wish I could pay money so I could watch you blither like an idiot. Oh wait, I am. Wasn't even at that show. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Andrew Hime wrote:

quoted 5 lines I wish I could pay money so I could watch you blither like an idiot.

> I wish I could pay money so I could watch you blither like an idiot. > > Oh wait, I am. > > Wasn't even at that show.

Obviously your sarcasm-detection mechanisms are out of calibration. May I suggest a tune-up? Perhaps then you won't take everything you read on this list seriously. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org