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Protools isn't the best thing for IDMish production. If you're recording a jazzband with a dozen mics simultaneously, and want to layer effects and everything in the mix, Protool's is for you. Don't the school computers have more than one kind of sequencer? Over where I'm at, (Chico State) we have our choice between ProTools, DigiPerformer, and Logic. I recommend Logic of the three. Personally I use Cubase, which with a good sampler (I use Battery), and effects (Reaktor), can make some crazy chh kkk brrbbr chhk music. Very nice. If you don't have money, I'd go the tracker rout, and get Buzz. Buzz is way less stable than its low cost competitor Fruity Loops, but it's completely free, has hundreds of synths and effects available for it, and its compatible with VST, and DX plugins. With additions to Buzz that allow you to do 24bit wavout recording, it's a very nice alternative. While its interface takes some getting used to (especially if you're used to the standard sequencer interface found in Logic, Cubase and the like) once you get it, it's quite efficient. And there's a great grunalar synth for it now. And don't feel bad for using buzz, many IDM aritists use it, most recently Jega, who's next album is rumored to have been written in Buzz (Mike P mentioned it on the Mu board months ago). Anyways, beat programming is relatively easy in both, but it's nice to have good samples. find a drumloop cut it up, and rearrange it. have the kick play 16th notes, change the pitch of the drums, add fx to miniscule parts. you can start to mimic vsnares in seconds, if you know where certain drum hits should go. and time signature fuckery is intuitive in both Cubase and Buzz. Enjoy. -mark Colin Leipelt wrote:

quoted 56 lines ok, so i looked for a faq, no luck. i know how much

>ok, so i looked for a faq, no luck. i know how much >this question can get on people's nerves from many >moons spent on the early days of the dj shadow list >and its elitist invite only offshoot (woo.). but >it's been a while, and i need some help. do people >know, or can you direct me to a site on, much about >beat production. i have access to computer stations >at new school univ. in nyc, which have midi keyboards, >protools, finale, and a sampler/sound production >thingamabob. i guess my question is, how the fuck >do you do anything with protools? my guess is that >it's post-production software, yes? any suggestions >on the sound origination part of things, etc.? sorry, >i know this is really wide open, just getting started. > >anyone in nyc? anyone go to the warp tour last >night? my broke ass cant even eat right now, >definitely didnt have 18 bucks to go see dj's i've >seen before. going to see m.sayyid from anti-pop on >friday. see beans walking around my neighborhood all >the time, he's amiable enough. what's the idm take on >the new beans album? my take: it's a pale shadow >compared to his live performance. > > >anyone familiar with broklyn beats label? picked up >a few releases, bottleskup flenkenkenmike (1-speed >bike) "looks like velvet, smells like pee", >erion/criterion, and a sampler. erion is the best, >the sampler not far behind. the erion release has a >track with samples of coverage of the 91(?) invasion >of iraq, eerie stuff right now, complete with bomb >sounds. saw hrvatski not long ago, good stuff. >sampling thumb piano, processing it through his >laptop. played with a guy named i:sound, his dreads >were shaped rather odd, i couldnt figure it out until >he put his headphones on, his dreads had formed around >his headphones from what is probably an ungodly amount >of time spent with them on his head. > >ok, any suggestions appreciated. > >colin. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

I'm a pro tools die hard and my latest project was done completely on Pro Tools. It's all a matter of how you use the program to achieve results. Logic is a fantastic piece of software but when it comes to cutting up audio Pro Tools is far superior. Granted some VST plugs can do stuttering effects and things of that sort very easily, but nothing beats the surgical precision of doing it all by hand. I barely use midi. All my songs are constructed from arranging audio on the grid and then slicing it all to shreds. And for that style of production, I think Pro Tools is a really solid platform. Give it a chance. It'll blow you away. Ed http://www.erasereraser.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

so far this talk of pro tools not being right is utterly wrong. if you want to make cookie cutter soundscapes, then go for fruity loops or any of the other sequencers. I use pro tools and Logic, the stuff i make in pro tools is infinitely more interesting than my logic output. the reason for this is that with pro tools, especially with the new midi support, you have almost a physical sculpture relationship with the audio. you import audio tracks and use the plugins to shape them statically and realtime. you can work quickly and with extreme accuracy as the windows aren't mine shafts and the steps from original sample to manipulated sample are one two three, as opposed to logic which takes hours of directory saving and such. If you want to work strictly with midi plugs, then go with logic, cubase, fruity, etc.... the trackers are nice but i don't care for the work flow.(i use mac and pc) if you have tons of external gear(ie: not software plugs) then experiment with each. Logic is tight, cubase is just logic with different clothing, and fruity loops, while i like for simplicity, is a bit less dynamic than i like. I haven't too much experience with fl, but trying to put sounds a microsecond from the rather static slots you are given is a matter of delays and such, too much bs, when with logic you can just drag the sample/midi dot to wherever you like.with clock accuracy. anyway, best is to experiment for 'at least' a week with whatever bit of software you are considering, or have access to. fuck the faqs and tutorials, you'll learn much more by experimenting. Unless of course you need to sound just like so and so. in which case id recommend you search yourself and ask why you're conducting artistic enterprise in the first place... --- Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:

quoted 136 lines Protools isn't the best thing for IDMish

> Protools isn't the best thing for IDMish > production. If you're > recording a jazzband with a dozen mics > simultaneously, and want to layer > effects and everything in the mix, Protool's is for > you. > > Don't the school computers have more than one kind > of sequencer? > > Over where I'm at, (Chico State) we have our choice > between ProTools, > DigiPerformer, and Logic. I recommend Logic of the > three. Personally I > use Cubase, which with a good sampler (I use > Battery), and effects > (Reaktor), can make some crazy chh kkk brrbbr chhk > music. Very nice. > > If you don't have money, I'd go the tracker rout, > and get Buzz. Buzz is > way less stable than its low cost competitor Fruity > Loops, but it's > completely free, has hundreds of synths and effects > available for it, > and its compatible with VST, and DX plugins. With > additions to Buzz > that allow you to do 24bit wavout recording, it's a > very nice > alternative. While its interface takes some getting > used to (especially > if you're used to the standard sequencer interface > found in Logic, > Cubase and the like) once you get it, it's quite > efficient. And there's > a great grunalar synth for it now. And don't feel > bad for using buzz, > many IDM aritists use it, most recently Jega, who's > next album is > rumored to have been written in Buzz (Mike P > mentioned it on the Mu > board months ago). > > Anyways, beat programming is relatively easy in > both, but it's nice to > have good samples. find a drumloop cut it up, and > rearrange it. have > the kick play 16th notes, change the pitch of the > drums, add fx to > miniscule parts. you can start to mimic vsnares in > seconds, if you know > where certain drum hits should go. and time > signature fuckery is > intuitive in both Cubase and Buzz. Enjoy. > > -mark > > Colin Leipelt wrote: > > >ok, so i looked for a faq, no luck. i know how > much > >this question can get on people's nerves from many > >moons spent on the early days of the dj shadow list > >and its elitist invite only offshoot (woo.). but > >it's been a while, and i need some help. do people > >know, or can you direct me to a site on, much about > >beat production. i have access to computer > stations > >at new school univ. in nyc, which have midi > keyboards, > >protools, finale, and a sampler/sound production > >thingamabob. i guess my question is, how the fuck > >do you do anything with protools? my guess is that > >it's post-production software, yes? any > suggestions > >on the sound origination part of things, etc.? > sorry, > >i know this is really wide open, just getting > started. > > > >anyone in nyc? anyone go to the warp tour last > >night? my broke ass cant even eat right now, > >definitely didnt have 18 bucks to go see dj's i've > >seen before. going to see m.sayyid from anti-pop on > >friday. see beans walking around my neighborhood > all > >the time, he's amiable enough. what's the idm take > on > >the new beans album? my take: it's a pale shadow > >compared to his live performance. > > > > > >anyone familiar with broklyn beats label? picked > up > >a few releases, bottleskup flenkenkenmike (1-speed > >bike) "looks like velvet, smells like pee", > >erion/criterion, and a sampler. erion is the best, > >the sampler not far behind. the erion release has > a > >track with samples of coverage of the 91(?) > invasion > >of iraq, eerie stuff right now, complete with bomb > >sounds. saw hrvatski not long ago, good stuff. > >sampling thumb piano, processing it through his > >laptop. played with a guy named i:sound, his > dreads > >were shaped rather odd, i couldnt figure it out > until > >he put his headphones on, his dreads had formed > around > >his headphones from what is probably an ungodly > amount > >of time spent with them on his head. > > > >ok, any suggestions appreciated. > > > >colin. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >

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a lot of people who dont have much experience with fruity (i used to be one) get hung up on the idea that it is just a step sequencer. in fact the piano roll lets you draw nots snaped to any time slice you want down to the clock tick.

quoted 11 lines fruity loops,

>fruity loops, >while i like for simplicity, is a bit less dynamic >than i like. I haven't too much experience with fl, >but trying to put sounds a microsecond from the rather >static slots you are given is a matter of delays and >such, too much bs, when with logic you can just drag >the sample/midi dot to wherever you like.with clock >accuracy. > > >

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yeah, too right...caught taking advice that i didn't give. i spent a few hours with fl and used the piano roll which i now realize does exactly what i just said couldn't be done. ah well... i still prefer external gear over everything but being broke and jobless doesn't buy equipment. someone wanta buy tracks? "would you like to buy some of my tracks?... i got some, i got some hype shit.. i been producing for like the last ten years but nobody knew i never really came out and started playng my beats. im starting to play my beats now." kool keith is like the david bowie of rap in so many ways. pure genius --- Josh Steiner <joschi@eds.org> wrote:

quoted 31 lines a lot of people who dont have much experience with

> a lot of people who dont have much experience with > fruity (i used to be > one) get hung up on the idea that it is just a step > sequencer. in fact > the piano roll lets you draw nots snaped to any time > slice you want down > to the clock tick. > > >fruity loops, > >while i like for simplicity, is a bit less dynamic > >than i like. I haven't too much experience with fl, > >but trying to put sounds a microsecond from the > rather > >static slots you are given is a matter of delays > and > >such, too much bs, when with logic you can just > drag > >the sample/midi dot to wherever you like.with clock > >accuracy. > > > > > > > > > -- > ____________________________________________________ > independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > > > >

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i saw kool keith in kc, mo last semester. tim dog from ultramag kept saying, "how many of y'all wanna hear kool keith straight off the dome" and then black elvis, complete with wig, did phunky phresh rhymes like this, "blocka blocka, to the tip toppa toppa, chocka chocka, flocka flocka, blocka blocka blocka, etc." intermittently yelling "wooo, lorda" like southern preachers. pure genius, and wildly entertaining. if i didn't know he was making fun of everybody and everything, i would have thought it quite not worth the 1 1/2 hour wait after the opening act. dr. octagon still one of the all-time faves, tho. c. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

indeed indeed people who dont know how to abuse fruity loops////dont have fun or make wicked shit with it.I like fruity loops alot....I dont write full tracks in fruity but do lots of automation and beat/synth - writing/mulching/destroying.Fruity goes really deep if you experiment with it.... as far as cubase being logic in different cloths is way off the mark....at least with cubase SX.I was die hard Logic till I found out about sx's capabilities in editing in the last couple weeks....switched over in a heart beat! I have never used pro tools....but ed rips it up in it.... 8fm www.eight-frozen-modules.com www.erasereraser.com --- isaiah <maryxhelly@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 65 lines yeah, too right...caught taking advice that i didn't

> yeah, too right...caught taking advice that i didn't > give. i spent a few hours with fl and used the piano > roll which i now realize does exactly what i just > said > couldn't be done. ah well... i still prefer external > gear over everything but being broke and jobless > doesn't buy equipment. someone wanta buy tracks? > > "would you like to buy some of my tracks?... i got > some, i got some hype shit.. i been producing for > like > the last ten years but nobody knew i never really > came > out and started playng my beats. im starting to play > my beats now." kool keith is like the david bowie of > rap in so many ways. pure genius > > > > > > > > > > --- Josh Steiner <joschi@eds.org> wrote: > > a lot of people who dont have much experience with > > fruity (i used to be > > one) get hung up on the idea that it is just a > step > > sequencer. in fact > > the piano roll lets you draw nots snaped to any > time > > slice you want down > > to the clock tick. > > > > >fruity loops, > > >while i like for simplicity, is a bit less > dynamic > > >than i like. I haven't too much experience with > fl, > > >but trying to put sounds a microsecond from the > > rather > > >static slots you are given is a matter of delays > > and > > >such, too much bs, when with logic you can just > > drag > > >the sample/midi dot to wherever you like.with > clock > > >accuracy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________ > > independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- > http://vitriolix.com > > > > > > > > >

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ok, thanks. spent way too many hours trying to figure protools out today. it seems sort of like a much more difficult sonic foundry acid, which i've used with some success. any tips on getting sounds in? got the files on my disk, but where the hell are they in the "import audio" function window? gaa. on a mac btw. ok, so speaking of beans and m.sayyid, anyone checked out the new matthew shipp/antipop collabo on thirstyear? i'm generally disappointed or quickly lose interest in the thirstyear releases. anyone in nyc been to any of the new swiss music festival at tonic? if so is it worth the $12? hungrily awaiting new autechre. anyone here on a load records tip? lightning bolt, mindflayer, forcefield, sightings, et al. not idm, i know, just curious. c. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 04:57 AM, Colin Leipelt wrote:

quoted 6 lines ok, thanks. spent way too many hours trying to figure

> ok, thanks. spent way too many hours trying to figure > protools out today. it seems sort of like a much more > difficult sonic foundry acid, which i've used with > some success. any tips on getting sounds in? got the > files on my disk, but where the hell are they in the > "import audio" function window? gaa. on a mac btw.

If you want quick results, try messing around with Ableton Live (www.ableton.com). Superb if you want to make live music, but also extremely good when just creating songs. [ssssh] http://www.ableton.com/content/content-objects/ [/ssssh] regards, bartz ---------------------------------------- portfolio: http://www.superinfinite.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

the new ae is so top notch, really, id love to be able to agree with pietrobot that others are doing the same thing but its simply not true, and if it were, then, well, biters...what are you gonna do? (lusine? what? i like lusine, but there's no comparison) the only people who come close to the type of surreal anamorphic soundscapes as ae are coil or nurse with wound, maybe colongib...and even then? listen to tracks 2, 4 and 8 from Draft 7.30.... NOONE's doing ANYTHING like that, ae are consistently doing stuff that isn't approached in either maturity or dexterity by any other producer. alien sounds. i love those other guys in their own way, but c'mon.... fuck, even listening to tilapia from cichli suite about pro tools, go to file, import audio track, done! i take it your audio(mac) is in .aiff? thats the best format you can use for macs, download felt tip sound studio its free and easy, a great little importing, cutting app... seriously pro tools is the bees knees. and so is kool keith 'you got nine cars, tons of champagne by the cases, 2000 people killed, fake murder cases, videos exaggerate things you never make, your style is all tissue... original fraud, funny with a mic cord!' the guy is pure unadulterated genius. mark the words, he'll be worshipped years from now, after he's dead prolly. --- Colin Leipelt <leafmelt@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 37 lines ok, thanks. spent way too many hours trying to

> ok, thanks. spent way too many hours trying to > figure > protools out today. it seems sort of like a much > more > difficult sonic foundry acid, which i've used with > some success. any tips on getting sounds in? got > the > files on my disk, but where the hell are they in the > "import audio" function window? gaa. on a mac btw. > > ok, so speaking of beans and m.sayyid, anyone > checked > out the new matthew shipp/antipop collabo on > thirstyear? i'm generally disappointed or quickly > lose > interest in the thirstyear releases. anyone in nyc > been to any of the new swiss music festival at > tonic? > if so is it worth the $12? > > hungrily awaiting new autechre. anyone here on a > load > records tip? lightning bolt, mindflayer, > forcefield, > sightings, et al. not idm, i know, just curious. > > c. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > >

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