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2002-04-22 11:21[idm] idm girls
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2002-04-22 11:29teardropb . Re: [idm] idm girls
2002-04-22 16:50Hackett, Kelley M. RE: [idm] idm girls
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2002-04-22 20:31Reading, John RE: [idm] idm girls
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2002-04-22 11:21Shelleyjohan@aol.comi know the girl idm heads are out there...but where? in this male dominated scene, i am cu
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i know the girl idm heads are out there...but where? in this male dominated scene, i am curious to hear the female perspective. a new list has sprouted- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idmgirls i want to read about fems in the idm/electronica world-musicians and/or passionate listeners, i welcome your thoughts.
2002-04-22 16:45dj pieeh, screw the 'female perspective'. the only difference between being a male idm fan and a
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eh, screw the 'female perspective'. the only difference between being a male idm fan and a female idm fan is that whenever i post here, i get a few 'ooh, you're a girl' emails. it's kind of like being on usenet before 1994 or so. i like idm. so does everyone else who posts to this list. i have a hard time seeing why being female would really have a lot of impact on my appreciation of idm. i like crunchy, melodic stuff. i don't care if the people making it are male or female. i like to go to shows, and drool over the gear. mmmm, gear. i like to mix idm and downtempo music together. this isn't a 'female' perspective, it's a perspective. -rachel (aka djpie) piesarenice.net -- "at this time you can feel balance strength and sphere peaceful levitating the window." --from the instructions sheet for my "magnetic suspension lamp" On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 Shelleyjohan@aol.com wrote:
quoted 7 lines i know the girl idm heads are out there...but where?> i know the girl idm heads are out there...but where? > in this male dominated scene, i am curious to hear the female perspective. a > new list > has sprouted- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idmgirls > i want to read about fems in the idm/electronica world-musicians and/or > passionate listeners, i welcome your thoughts. >
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2002-04-22 11:29teardropb .hey, since there is such a shortage of idm girls. can i join your group as well? regards,
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hey, since there is such a shortage of idm girls. can i join your group as well? regards, teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd teardropb beartopd
quoted 12 lines From: Shelleyjohan@aol.com>From: Shelleyjohan@aol.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] idm girls >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:21:39 EDT > >i know the girl idm heads are out there...but where? >in this male dominated scene, i am curious to hear the female perspective. >a >new list >has sprouted- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idmgirls >i want to read about fems in the idm/electronica world-musicians and/or >passionate listeners, i welcome your thoughts.
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2002-04-22 16:50Hackett, Kelley M.True indeed, and how did you say your day was going...........:D Omar Hackett IUPUI Univer
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True indeed, and how did you say your day was going...........:D Omar Hackett IUPUI University Library 755 W. Michigan Street, Rm: 1112 Indianapolis, IN 46202 317-278-2278 317-278-2300 (Fax) -----Original Message----- From: dj pie [mailto:rachel@electricrain.com] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:45 AM To: Shelleyjohan@aol.com Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] idm girls eh, screw the 'female perspective'. the only difference between being a male idm fan and a female idm fan is that whenever i post here, i get a few 'ooh, you're a girl' emails. it's kind of like being on usenet before 1994 or so. i like idm. so does everyone else who posts to this list. i have a hard time seeing why being female would really have a lot of impact on my appreciation of idm. i like crunchy, melodic stuff. i don't care if the people making it are male or female. i like to go to shows, and drool over the gear. mmmm, gear. i like to mix idm and downtempo music together. this isn't a 'female' perspective, it's a perspective. -rachel (aka djpie) piesarenice.net -- "at this time you can feel balance strength and sphere peaceful levitating the window." --from the instructions sheet for my "magnetic suspension lamp" On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 Shelleyjohan@aol.com wrote:
quoted 2 lines i know the girl idm heads are out there...but where?> i know the girl idm heads are out there...but where? > in this male dominated scene, i am curious to hear the female perspective.
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quoted 5 lines new list> new list > has sprouted- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idmgirls > i want to read about fems in the idm/electronica world-musicians and/or > passionate listeners, i welcome your thoughts. >
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2002-04-22 17:44nat hawkswell... i understand that you wouldn't want to be categorized and labeled as 'female,' but
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well... i understand that you wouldn't want to be categorized and labeled as 'female,' but in terms of "perspectives"... i mean, isn't it interesting to talk to a white country hick about urban black music? isn't it interesting to talk to a mexican immigrant that loves heavy metal? and this is not to say that females that like electronic music are this seemingly contradictory, it's just that different perspectives offer us insights. i love the feelings that, thanks to music-related insights, i'm slowly fleshing out this gigantic puzzle in my own way. that my understandings of various genre classifications are slowly blurring together naturally, representing their actual state of coexistence. -brain fart
quoted 45 lines From: dj pie <rachel@zot.electricrain.com>>From: dj pie <rachel@zot.electricrain.com> >To: <Shelleyjohan@aol.com> >CC: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] idm girls >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:45:24 -0700 (PDT) > > >eh, screw the 'female perspective'. the only difference >between being a male idm fan and a female idm fan is that >whenever i post here, i get a few 'ooh, you're a girl' emails. > >it's kind of like being on usenet before 1994 or so. > >i like idm. so does everyone else who posts to this list. >i have a hard time seeing why being female would really >have a lot of impact on my appreciation of idm. i like >crunchy, melodic stuff. i don't care if the people >making it are male or female. i like to go to shows, and >drool over the gear. mmmm, gear. i like to mix idm and downtempo >music together. this isn't a 'female' perspective, it's >a perspective. > >-rachel (aka djpie) >piesarenice.net >-- >"at this time you can feel balance strength and sphere peaceful > levitating the window." --from the instructions sheet for my > "magnetic suspension lamp" > >On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 Shelleyjohan@aol.com wrote: > > > i know the girl idm heads are out there...but where? > > in this male dominated scene, i am curious to hear the female >perspective. a > > new list > > has sprouted- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idmgirls > > i want to read about fems in the idm/electronica world-musicians and/or > > passionate listeners, i welcome your thoughts. > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-04-22 19:35TechnoticaHmmm....this can be seen both ways I guess....as a Dj who happens to be a female, I must a
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Hmmm....this can be seen both ways I guess....as a Dj who happens to be a female, I must admit I have run into some situations and people that wanted to make it a big deal, etc etc etc....but, are we not human, if you prick us, do we not bleed (ooohhh, that's a loaded phrase right there, !) When I started spinnning, I choose the name 'L3' to kinda 'hide' my true identlty ( I was playing hardcore techno at the time) --- as time went on, I became more comforable with my art - now, whole not exactly flaunting my femininity, I make no bones about it...it is what it is....I am a geek, a gearhead, an artist, a dj, I am also a Mom and a wife...I have never spun at an all female party, and don't think I would feel comforable doing so - because to do so would almost be like admitting that females are a different kind of DJ But, I must admit that lately I have been enjoying doing my hair, make-up and clothing in a more, um, glamourous fashion --- what the hell ---- I can still enjoy the fruits if being a girl and that means I can use any and all means necessary to seduce my audience, even when mixing flat out Ambient ! ;-> Linda np-> while it was raining: Horchata-Biomass Necromass Remixes now thgat it is sunny: Hat - DSP Holiday ----------------------------------------------------------- Linda Leigh/L3 www.technotica.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-22 20:27dj pieOn Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Ben Browett wrote: > I must apologise I misread your post. > > Just o
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Ben Browett wrote:
quoted 4 lines I must apologise I misread your post.> I must apologise I misread your post. > > Just out of interest, why do you think it is like this though? (I'm doing > some research into it)
why do i think that being a girl who likes idm is not any different than being a boy who likes idm? or why do i get 'ooh, you're a girl' emails when i post? the answer to the first should be obvious--it's about the music, not about the people listening to it. of course, everyone's take on the music, their opinions and reactions, are different, based on who they are and what they like--but i'm resistant to the idea that it's weird for women to like idm for any reason. it's a hard genre for anyone to get into--i used to hate it! i couldn't really appreciate the broken rhythms and the abstract sounds...but now i love it..it just took some time, and other sorts of emotional and mental maturing. i don't necessarily disagree with the statement that there are a lot fewer women into idm--i just think it is pointless and possibly divisive to makea big deal out of it as a 'women are different than men' kind of thing. and to get back to the subject of music, i REALLY like the new string theory album (more like an EP) called anhedonia...the first track especially makes me happy---excellent driving music. it's smooth and lush, and also has wonderful transitional crunchiness... another thing i picked up recently tht i love is the cottage industries 2: annexe 2 cd set--cd 1 is especially good...a lot of the kind of thing i love--emotion and melody and depth suspended, arched over crunchiness...mmmmmmm. i think the only track off cd 1 i don't care for much (but don't hate!) is one called neo robot party crash. thing 3: more on the ambient tip, but still excellent--ambient soho 3, with 2 excellent tracks on cd 2 by sandspider, whose debut album, spider, is worth picking up as well. lovely beats, good texture, and interesting samples here and there. -rachel (aka djpie) piesarenice.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-22 21:22jacob z.warning: abstractification! On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, dj pie wrote: > i don't necessarily disag
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warning: abstractification! On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, dj pie wrote:
quoted 4 lines i don't necessarily disagree with the statement that there are a lot> i don't necessarily disagree with the statement that there are a lot > fewer women into idm--i just think it is pointless and possibly > divisive to makea big deal out of it as a 'women are different than men' > kind of thing.
i agree with you, dj pie. but this is an old debate and actually pretty interesting, i think. not just girls vs. boys, but the question of "does it matter who made/played the music?" for some marginalized types, it does - if you're gay, and you've got a gay agenda, and you want to push it through music, then it does matter. this is as divisive as it would be for you to say "i'm making girl music," but in some cases, people want this division in order to make a point, or to give voice to people/ideas who normally don't get heard. still, it is about music here and not politics. a couple of gay students approached my music history professor wanting to know if schubert was gay, because they thought they could hear it in his music. to them, it did matter. i can't generally hear gayness or boynees or girlness in music, but then i'm not really listening for it. turns out schubert may have been gay after all, but i still don't hear his quartets as "gay quartets." no point, really. anyway, i'm just playing devil's advocate. i say let the art speak for itself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-22 20:31Reading, John> or why do i get 'ooh, you're a girl' emails when i post? Could it be that your nick is '
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quoted 1 line or why do i get 'ooh, you're a girl' emails when i post?> or why do i get 'ooh, you're a girl' emails when i post?
Could it be that your nick is 'DJ Pie'? *ducks* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-22 20:37dj pieOn Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Reading, John wrote: > > or why do i get 'ooh, you're a girl' emails
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Reading, John wrote:
quoted 5 lines or why do i get 'ooh, you're a girl' emails when i post?> > or why do i get 'ooh, you're a girl' emails when i post? > > Could it be that your nick is 'DJ Pie'? > > *ducks*
bwahahaha :). the dj pie moniker was originally a joke--i needed a 'dj name' for spinning at small underground events and at my first club gig, and it stuck. 'cause, you know, who doesn't like pie? :) yes, it's silly :) -rachel (but then, i try not to take myself too seriously...) piesarenice.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-22 20:32rwI wish I was dead rw ----- Original Message ----- From: "dj pie" <rachel@electricrain.com>
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I wish I was dead rw ----- Original Message ----- From: "dj pie" <rachel@electricrain.com> To: "Ben Browett" <ben@eskimo.f9.co.uk> Cc: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [idm] idm girls
quoted 7 lines On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Ben Browett wrote:> > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Ben Browett wrote: > > > I must apologise I misread your post. > > > > Just out of interest, why do you think it is like this though? (I'm
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quoted 48 lines some research into it)> > some research into it) > > why do i think that being a girl who likes idm is not any different > than being a boy who likes idm? or why do i get 'ooh, you're a > girl' emails when i post? > > the answer to the first should be obvious--it's about the music, > not about the people listening to it. of course, everyone's > take on the music, their opinions and reactions, are different, > based on who they are and what they like--but i'm resistant to > the idea that it's weird for women to like idm for any reason. > it's a hard genre for anyone to get into--i used to hate it! i > couldn't really appreciate the broken rhythms and the abstract > sounds...but now i love it..it just took some time, and other sorts > of emotional and mental maturing. > > i don't necessarily disagree with the statement that there are a lot > fewer women into idm--i just think it is pointless and possibly > divisive to makea big deal out of it as a 'women are different than men' > kind of thing. > > and to get back to the subject of music, i REALLY like the new > string theory album (more like an EP) called anhedonia...the > first track especially makes me happy---excellent driving music. > it's smooth and lush, and also has wonderful transitional crunchiness... > > another thing i picked up recently tht i love is the cottage > industries 2: annexe 2 cd set--cd 1 is especially good...a lot of > the kind of thing i love--emotion and melody and depth suspended, > arched over crunchiness...mmmmmmm. i think the only track off cd 1 > i don't care for much (but don't hate!) is one called neo robot > party crash. > > thing 3: more on the ambient tip, but still excellent--ambient soho 3, > with 2 excellent tracks on cd 2 by sandspider, whose debut album, > spider, is worth picking up as well. lovely beats, good texture, > and interesting samples here and there. > > -rachel (aka djpie) > piesarenice.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2002-04-22 20:54Technoticahey - ok :) so, there ya go, thanks rachel for the music notes and getting me back on trac
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hey - ok :) so, there ya go, thanks rachel for the music notes and getting me back on track...oi...sorry alll, I'm a bit crispy from the weekend, so I kinda took it, ran with it, then got lost in the woods...so....Friday we headed to the Rotunda at U of Penn for the last installement of Stargate to Moonbase Alpha for the season - (we missed Lenola, The Great Quentini was brilliant, mad and enlightened as always ;>, Steve Zeitler was performing in Philly for the first time on amazing home made electronic instruments, beautiful powerful, Tim Larsen & Dave Lunt were just getting startyed as we had to leave, leaned toward an ambient techno sound) as always a great and interesting evening. Tonite in Philly is a 'close listening' party' ---> I'll be there Zenapolae and Fuzzy Box Present: an evening of close listening and ambient glitchcore... w/ Goem (Holland - 12K, Bip Hop, Mile Plateaux, Raster Music, Noise Museum, etc., etc.) Freiband (Holland - Kapotte, Muziek, Beequeen, etc.) Howard Stelzer/Jason Talbot Duo (Boston - Intransitive Math, Greek Absurd, Crank, Satori, etc.) DJ Erin Anderson (Philly - Zenapolae, Fuzzy Box) @ Tri Tone (1508 South St.) 9pm-2am $5 Linda At 03:32 PM 4/22/02 -0500, rw wrote:
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2002-04-23 12:31Aboredbowler@aol.comi think it's a social, political and creative imperative that there be a group dedicated t
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i think it's a social, political and creative imperative that there be a group dedicated to female involvement in electronic music, and specifically idm. while it may seem to divide and make a distinction between "male" and "female" music, i think there is a very valid difference between the two. i think that idm in particular needs to have a community which fosters, supports, encourages and nurtures female creativity (whether through listening beneath the radar, or producing music) because it is a field of music which is dominated by men more than any other than i can think of. idm is not as conventionally marketable as other forms of electronic music... you don't buy the new autechre because it's got a cover which depicts a fine ass ho in a thong with fifty cent pieces over her nipples-- you buy it because you know it's going to be innovative... whearas, for instance, when filing through the myriad house mix compilations-- if you're not searching for a particular dj or you're just the average joe music buyer-- you might just be persuaded to pick the record with the scantily clad women depicted on the cover. check p. sherburne's webzine this week for an article about this: http://www.neumu.net/needledrops the female image is used to sell more products than anything else in the world, yet women represent a disproportionate minority of those who produce the goods we buy.... (sorry if this is too tangential, i promise i'm winding my way back on topic). when you think of computers and who use them, odds are you imagine some computer geek, a specifically male archetype... women are associated with more intimate and/or acoustic instruments (but firstly, they're associated with a voice). these stereotypes are inaccurate, there is a wide array of female idm producers out there... sadly, i can think of only a handful off the top of my head: laub/antye greie fuchs (yes, laub has a male member too) nicole elmer leila swims with dolphins chicks on speed (hopefully crawling out from behind the shadows of their producers) peaches (sex sells, eh?) noriko tujiko bjork (never given the production credit she deserves) blectum from blechdom and that's really all i can think of. i'm not as underground as the undergroundest of you, but i do keep abreast of what's out there in a not insignificant way... i can assure you i can think of a virtual googolplex more male artists out there at any rate. hmm... this is quite fragmented (but so is thought, right?), i apologize, it's 5AM ;). women usually have different things to express than men do. that's not to say that the two genders never intersect creatively, nor is it to imply that men and women cannot identify with one anothers' music either. women are underdiscussed on this list, women are underrepresented at shows, record stores, in the press, etc... these are reasons why a community dedicated to female involvement in the scene is a good idea. it's not to set women and men apart delibrately... it's to give women a chance at the same sort of attention that men are awarded (sometimes 100 times a day) on this list, to reach out to women producers lacking a female community to discuss their music with and to use as a resource, to pursue alternate avenues of thought amongst the babble of ones and zeroes and x's and y's so pervasive on the web. interested females ought to participate... the only two resources i know about on the web are the list that was referred to at the beginning of this thread: idm girls http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idmgirls/ and http://pinknoises.com get up and do something. suspiciously male, gregory
2002-04-23 13:41donna summerwhearas, for >instance, when filing through the myriad house mix compilations-- if >you're
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quoted 5 lines instance, when filing through the myriad house mix compilations-- if>instance, when filing through the myriad house mix compilations-- if >you're not searching for a particular dj or you're just the average joe >music >buyer-- you might just be persuaded to pick the record with the scantily >clad women depicted on the cover.
Being a sweaty bull-dyke myself, I guess that would actually tempt me to buy it... sadly, i can think of only a handful off the top
quoted 12 lines of my>of my >head: >laub/antye greie fuchs (yes, laub has a male member too) >nicole elmer >leila >swims with dolphins >chicks on speed (hopefully crawling out from behind the shadows of their >producers) >peaches (sex sells, eh?) >noriko tujiko >bjork (never given the production credit she deserves) >blectum from blechdom
you've missed a few (and I know I have as well): Hecate Doily Oblatt Christina Wheeler Ikue Mori Dat Politics has one of us it there as well. There are a lot of women involved in avant music, Paulene Oliveros is as hardcore as it comes and she's been at it for almost 50 years now! VIVA LA WOMEN! Donna S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-23 16:52Howard ShihOn Tue, 23 Apr 2002, donna summer wrote: > you've missed a few (and I know I have as well)
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quoted 11 lines you've missed a few (and I know I have as well):> you've missed a few (and I know I have as well): > > Hecate > Doily > Oblatt > Christina Wheeler > Ikue Mori > Dat Politics has one of us it there as well. > > There are a lot of women involved in avant music, Paulene Oliveros is as > hardcore as it comes and she's been at it for almost 50 years now!
Mira Calix Neotropic/Small Fish With Spine Andrea Parker Cibo Matto (Yuka Honda&Miho Hatori) Add to that: Delia Derbyshire (BBC Radiophonic Workshop genius who brought to life the original Dr. Who theme. She sadly passed away last year. Here's her obit: http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,518008,00.html) Clara Rockmore, theremin virtuoso Bebe Barron, was co composer with her husband Louis on the groundbreaking "Forbidden Planet" soundtrack back 1956 And in the academic spectrum: Laurie Spiegel has been hacking away since the early 70s. Check out here recent compilation: Obsolete Systems http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/spiegel.laurie.html Alice Shields started doing stuff as part of the Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center back in the early 70s as well. Maryanne Amacher who's done mostly sound installation stuff http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/amacher.maryanne.html and I'm probably forgetting a lot more. Howard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-23 19:23Record Campyeah but are any other women as hottt! as the sexy donna summer? girrrrl you so fine! ades
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yeah but are any other women as hottt! as the sexy donna summer? girrrrl you so fine! adesh http://www.recordcamp.com -----Original Message----- From: donna summer [mailto:donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:42 AM To: Aboredbowler@aol.com; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] idm girls whearas, for
quoted 5 lines instance, when filing through the myriad house mix compilations-- if>instance, when filing through the myriad house mix compilations-- if >you're not searching for a particular dj or you're just the average joe >music >buyer-- you might just be persuaded to pick the record with the scantily >clad women depicted on the cover.
Being a sweaty bull-dyke myself, I guess that would actually tempt me to buy it... sadly, i can think of only a handful off the top
quoted 12 lines of my>of my >head: >laub/antye greie fuchs (yes, laub has a male member too) >nicole elmer >leila >swims with dolphins >chicks on speed (hopefully crawling out from behind the shadows of their >producers) >peaches (sex sells, eh?) >noriko tujiko >bjork (never given the production credit she deserves) >blectum from blechdom
you've missed a few (and I know I have as well): Hecate Doily Oblatt Christina Wheeler Ikue Mori Dat Politics has one of us it there as well. There are a lot of women involved in avant music, Paulene Oliveros is as hardcore as it comes and she's been at it for almost 50 years now! VIVA LA WOMEN! Donna S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-23 19:08Brandon SmithPerhaps I'm missing something here. Granted it is rather contradictory of me to be on a ma
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Perhaps I'm missing something here. Granted it is rather contradictory of me to be on a mailing list after what I'm about to say, but I often make great distinctions between the music and many topics that make it to the board. The list is very helpful in getting a feel for the music, and a great place to discuss the music, but I've always felt that this genre as ultimately rather introverted. In that, I mean that the music produced is most often far too involved to try and "get" anything more than, well, music out of it. The most obvious example of this: the lack of words in idm. This is a field concerned with sound, not message as far as I'm can tell. Obviously the music is what attracts me, but a great side benefit is the absence of a direct message. This music is almost entirely subjective in every respect. Again, this is *not* a trend I notice on the discussion board, but in the music itself. I certainly do not want to criticize anyone if they feel something concerning gender when listening to a certain piece (though I probably would not understand how such specific topics would arise from this sort of music), but to be so direct as to consider the sex of the artist up front seems a bit odd to me. If I wanted to understand or explore a cultural divide [ethnic, political, gender] I'll listen to punk rock or - god forbid - talk radio. But trying bring attention to such idm just seems a bit silly. The last thing on my mind when I put dat politics in my disc player is "I wonder which beep the woman member was making..." Remember the BOC is gay string that wouldn't die? I see this discussion about as meaningful. They both end up at the same place: who cares? Either you like someone's music or you don't. If the sex of the creator is something anybody needs to consider when judging a work, perhaps they are missing the point. I try to place myself in a social environment where gender, race and sex are not considered unless involving something *directly* related to gender, race or sex. In a situation where women are held back by men, in whatever way, clearly the term "male dominated" ought to be applied. But if two girls walked into a coffee shop and, after noticing that there happen to be twice as many men as women there, one mentions "hey, this place seems rather 'male dominated', call your sister and her friends" that would seem a bit absurd. I still haven't found a cock-rock counterpart in idm [thinking of you, Donna S. ;) ] so what gives? It any of this really necessary? There was a new group created for female idm'rs, so I suppose it is necessary. I just wish I could understand why. Or maybe I'm just missing the point. No disrespect all around, and thanks for reading. Brandon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-23 22:06TechnoticaAt 12:08 PM 4/23/02 -0700, Brandon Smith wrote: >Obviously the music is what attracts me,
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quoted 3 lines Obviously the music is what attracts me, but a great>Obviously the music is what attracts me, but a great >side benefit is the absence of a direct message. This >music is almost entirely subjective in every respect.
Agree! Last night, for example, as Freiband was playing his second piece, someone who was there to try to understand, appreciate, learn more, hear more of idmesque music commented that what was this supposed to mean....if music was about feeling something, what was there to feel in this particular work for example? I stood there for a bit longer, listening...I was actually really enjoying this track a lot, and feeling something...so I said to them that, yes, indeed I did feel something from his music, and this particular thing...it brought back strong memories from the time I was an Intensive Care Nurse and had to suction patients breathing tubes all night, and this was remineicent of that sound, mixed with the sound of the ventilators, etc... Speaking of last night, it was good...nice size crowd at Tritone - a very artist friendley enviornment (they had the Sun Ra Arkestra there recently :) The event was on a Monday casue that was the only day all these guys could be there. Erin Anderson (she also goes by Fidget and is one half of Flowchart) opened up Dj'g...perfect...she set the right mood for the night and had a nice long set to really explore and create a picture...lots of mad, deep insane carnival sounds with a healthy dose of My Bloody Valentine. She also played between the live sets. Howard Stelzer/Jason Talbot Duo were up first - crazy fun lovin guys with lots of silly tricks up thier sleeves...playing with sounds created with the 1200 and attching various devices and so forth...scratching, etc...1 guy in the audience got inspired to do a modern jazz acrobatic intrepretive dance/ birthday tribute to his friend who he was with celebrating. Freiband was fantastic. Serious, with his cardigan & cigar, he sat in front of his laptop and pecked away, looking like he was writing the great American novel as someone pointed out to me. I loved all his stuff, looking around the room, it seemed everyone really was quite into it. Goem was the Freiband guy and 2 others...all three lined up in front of thier laptops. good work, lots of complicated layers and subtle movements...best was the last track where a circling, cycling, ever growing in intensity and volume, then suddenly vanished. Thanks to the fine people from Zenapolae and Fuzzy Box :) ok then, Linda --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-23 19:20aglektrogirl?.. Alex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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2002-04-24 03:42Blake Irvin--- ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru> wrote: > > > lektrogirl?.. is one of the few truly original
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is one of the few truly original and creative voices in idm--totally removed from most other stuff, even most micromusic, since she uses keyboards. that girl rawks. blake/
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2002-04-23 16:26donna summerno xxoo -DS > >yeah but are any other women as hottt! as the sexy donna summer? >girrrrl y
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quoted 4 lines yeah but are any other women as hottt! as the sexy donna summer?> >yeah but are any other women as hottt! as the sexy donna summer? >girrrrl you so fine! >
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2002-04-23 16:48SHADETEk RecordsI'd also like to add to the list of names: neotropic neutral nic endo mira calix zipperspy
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I'd also like to add to the list of names: neotropic neutral nic endo mira calix zipperspy And mention that Hanin Elias has started a label under the DHR umbrella dedicated to female artists, check the DHR website for more info, can't remember the name. There's actually some pretty fun writing on this subject on that site as well. Destroy 2000 years of culture. SOZER.SHT http://www.wearechangeagent.com
quoted 96 lines From: Aboredbowler@aol.com>From: Aboredbowler@aol.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] idm girls >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:31:58 EDT > >i think it's a social, political and creative imperative that there be a >group >dedicated to female involvement in electronic music, and specifically idm. >while it may seem to divide and make a distinction between "male" and >"female" music, i think there is a very valid difference between the two. >i think that idm in particular needs to have a community which fosters, >supports, encourages and nurtures female creativity (whether through >listening beneath the radar, or producing music) because it is a field of >music which is dominated by men more than any other than i can think >of. idm is not as conventionally marketable as other forms of electronic >music... you don't buy the new autechre because it's got a cover which >depicts a fine ass ho in a thong with fifty cent pieces over her nipples-- >you buy it because you know it's going to be innovative... whearas, for >instance, when filing through the myriad house mix compilations-- if >you're not searching for a particular dj or you're just the average joe >music >buyer-- you might just be persuaded to pick the record with the scantily >clad women depicted on the cover. >check p. sherburne's webzine this week for an article about this: >http://www.neumu.net/needledrops > the female image is used to sell >more products than anything else in the world, yet women represent a >disproportionate minority of those who produce the goods we buy.... (sorry >if this is too tangential, i promise i'm winding my way back on topic). >when you think of computers and who use them, odds are you imagine some >computer geek, a specifically male archetype... women are associated with >more intimate and/or acoustic instruments (but firstly, they're associated >with >a voice). these stereotypes are inaccurate, there is a wide array of >female >idm producers out there... sadly, i can think of only a handful off the top >of my >head: >laub/antye greie fuchs (yes, laub has a male member too) >nicole elmer >leila >swims with dolphins >chicks on speed (hopefully crawling out from behind the shadows of their >producers) >peaches (sex sells, eh?) >noriko tujiko >bjork (never given the production credit she deserves) >blectum from blechdom > >and that's really all i can think of. i'm not as underground as the >undergroundest >of you, but i do keep abreast of what's out there in a not insignificant >way... i can >assure you i can think of a virtual googolplex more male artists out there >at >any rate. > >hmm... this is quite fragmented (but so is thought, right?), i apologize, >it's 5AM ;). > >women usually have different things to express than men do. that's not to >say >that the two genders never intersect creatively, nor is it to imply that >men >and >women cannot identify with one anothers' music either. women are >underdiscussed >on this list, women are underrepresented at shows, record stores, in the >press, etc... >these are reasons why a community dedicated to female involvement in the >scene >is a good idea. it's not to set women and men apart delibrately... it's to >give women >a chance at the same sort of attention that men are awarded (sometimes 100 >times >a day) on this list, to reach out to women producers lacking a female >community >to discuss their music with and to use as a resource, to pursue alternate >avenues >of thought amongst the babble of ones and zeroes and x's and y's so >pervasive >on >the web. >interested females ought to participate... >the only two resources i know about on the web are >the list that was referred to at the beginning of this thread: >idm girls >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idmgirls/ >and >http://pinknoises.com >get up and do something. > >suspiciously male, >gregory > >
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2002-04-23 16:56thoughtbludgeon@thoughtbludgeon.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Shih" <hmshih@eclipse.net> > Mira Calix > Neotr
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quoted 4 lines Mira Calix> Mira Calix > Neotropic/Small Fish With Spine > Andrea Parker > Cibo Matto (Yuka Honda&Miho Hatori)
i actually did a remix for neotropic some time back, with one of my other projects, if you'd like to check it, here is the link for the track: http://www.mp3.com/deepfriedclams hope it's entertaining, enjoy. --- http://www.mp3.com/edgey http://www.thoughtbludgeon.com 'intellect in rational movement tries to kill emotion, in doing so, only kills itself.' 'when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.' AIM: SINIBYTE | ICQ: 126370648 --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-23 17:23Greg ClowThere's a website called Pink Noises that gives some great coverage to women in electronic
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There's a website called Pink Noises that gives some great coverage to women in electronic music - interviews, reviews, features, etc. Check it out at http://www.pinknoises.com/ Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-23 19:44matt salcidoare we talking about electronic music in general or just idm? if its just electronic music
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are we talking about electronic music in general or just idm? if its just electronic music the we can add: bjork madonna pretty much every female in hiphop and dont forget all the females involved in house music.
quoted 18 lines From: ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru>>From: ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru> >Reply-To: ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] idm girls >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:20:10 +0400 > > > >lektrogirl?.. > > >Alex. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-04-23 20:33Hackett, Kelley M.What about Lady Aida outta the Netherlands, I hear she's pretty hot as a DJ! Omar Hackett
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What about Lady Aida outta the Netherlands, I hear she's pretty hot as a DJ! Omar Hackett IUPUI University Library 755 W. Michigan Street, Rm: 1112 Indianapolis, IN 46202 317-278-2278 317-278-2300 (Fax) -----Original Message----- From: matt salcido [mailto:mds400@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:44 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] idm girls are we talking about electronic music in general or just idm? if its just electronic music the we can add: bjork madonna pretty much every female in hiphop and dont forget all the females involved in house music.
quoted 18 lines From: ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru>>From: ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru> >Reply-To: ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] idm girls >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:20:10 +0400 > > > >lektrogirl?.. > > >Alex. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-04-23 20:49Jason StickelReid Speed, DJ Rap...c'mon, ya know ya love 'em >From: "Hackett, Kelley M." <khackett@iupu
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Reid Speed, DJ Rap...c'mon, ya know ya love 'em
quoted 77 lines From: "Hackett, Kelley M." <khackett@iupui.edu>>From: "Hackett, Kelley M." <khackett@iupui.edu> >To: "'matt salcido'" <mds400@hotmail.com>, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] idm girls >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:33:15 -0500 > >What about Lady Aida outta the Netherlands, I hear she's pretty hot >as a DJ! > > >Omar Hackett >IUPUI University Library >755 W. Michigan Street, Rm: 1112 >Indianapolis, IN 46202 >317-278-2278 >317-278-2300 (Fax) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: matt salcido [mailto:mds400@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:44 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] idm girls > > >are we talking about electronic music in general or just idm? > >if its just electronic music the we can add: > >bjork >madonna >pretty much every female in hiphop >and dont forget all the females involved in house music. > > > > > >From: ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru> > >Reply-To: ag <lioha@mail.spbnit.ru> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [idm] idm girls > >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:20:10 +0400 > > > > > > > >lektrogirl?.. > > > > > >Alex. > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >******************************************* >your mamma's so fat she fell down and broke the earth. >******************************************* >http://www.humboldt.edu/~mds40 >******************************************* > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-04-23 21:03donna summer>I still haven't found a cock-rock counterpart in idm >[thinking of you, Donna S. ;) ] so
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quoted 2 lines I still haven't found a cock-rock counterpart in idm>I still haven't found a cock-rock counterpart in idm >[thinking of you, Donna S. ;) ] so what gives?
There's only one Cock Rock Disco, yo. DS www.cockrockdico.com PS: Yes Brian, in a world of "non-attitude" IDM, one wonders why it is indeed a issue at all. But the very fact that IDm'ers everywhere (and those who shun them) wonder why there isn't more sexual diversity within the community is surely a good sign, right? And as a woman (!) I personally have never felt anything but respect from the boys club. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-24 00:23dj pieOn Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Ben Browett wrote: > > it's a hard genre for anyone to get into--i us
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Ben Browett wrote:
quoted 10 lines it's a hard genre for anyone to get into--i used to hate it! i> > it's a hard genre for anyone to get into--i used to hate it! i > > couldn't really appreciate the broken rhythms and the abstract > > sounds...but now i love it..it just took some time, and other sorts > > of emotional and mental maturing. > > But as you say the mental attitude towards enjoying the music for both sexes > is the same, but why aren't there as many females listening to it? Do you > think it's more about male views of women not liking it than will actually > be true and in so thinking this actually prevents women from getting into > it?
i really don't know specifically what the reason is. i mean, i imagine it's sociological in nature. and it's not wrong to want to encourage women to listen to idm, but i just don't like how contrived it seems to create a mailing list just for women to talk about idm, as though our ideas about it would be so radically different than those of the men on this list. sure, it's a pain to deal with people who are prejudiced against women, i have had to do that all my life--but i don't like 'special treatment' of any kind. but whatever. to each his or her own. i'm not going to look down on people who choose to join such a list, or worry that i'm missing out on some special perspective. it's music. of course we feel strongly about it. and mmmmmmmm, that track off cottage industries 2, annexe disc 1: 'the force may be with you", by idmonster. *swoon* also, i recommend 'second hand' by soehngenetic, off elektrolux. -rachel (aka dj pie) piesarenice.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-24 00:59EggyToastAt 05:23 PM 4/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >i really don't know specifically what the reason
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At 05:23 PM 4/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines i really don't know specifically what the reason is. i mean, i imagine>i really don't know specifically what the reason is. i mean, i imagine >it's sociological in nature. and it's not wrong to want to encourage >women to listen to idm, but i just don't like how contrived it seems >to create a mailing list just for women to talk about idm
How else are we idm guys supposed to lurk and find out what you idm girls are really like? We all know the list is a facade for your hot IDM lesbian orgies. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org