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>also - > >i strongly recommend the works of SIGNER. most on this list would know him >as Bevan Smith a.k.a. ASPEN. >

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the deadbeat cd 'primordia' on intr_version. really good. and tomas jirku. david MICROSUONI http://www.microsuoni.com

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I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that proclaim to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on the floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have that sound? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

cyrus-basic_channel_(bc-05) octagon-octaedre_(bc_07) phylyps_trak_ii-basic_channel_(bc-09) quadrant-basic_channel_(bc-06) quadrant_q1.1-basic_channel_(bc-04) radiance-basic_channel_(bc-08) vainqueur-lyot_reshape_(bc_03) check these out =), all wore released on Basic Channel and sound great, they have that ambientish/techno/rever type of feel like Monolake..pole etc..maybe except cyrus..as for the more dubbier sound, hmm..im personally dont know any label/artists that release tracks that sound like the basic channel releases but dont carry that characteristic 4x4 beat. On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Thomas Aikin wrote:

quoted 10 lines I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am

> I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am > floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that proclaim > to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for > some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on the > floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too > minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty > intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have > that sound? > > _________________________________________________________________

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quoted 11 lines I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am

> > > > I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am > > floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that proclaim > > to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for > > some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four > on the > > floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too > > minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty > > intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have > > that sound?

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Thomas Aikin wrote:

quoted 8 lines I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am

> I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am > floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that proclaim > to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for > some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on the > floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too > minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty > intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have > that sound?

When you say you're into BC do you mean strictly things on BC or the whole family of BC related labels ? If you mean the former than you need to check out the stuff on Chain Reaction (the CR-01 through CR-20 12"s and the first 5 CDs are seminal) , Burial Mix (excellent !), Rhythm & Sound and M(aurizio). I'm not fond of the Main Street stuff. http://home.snafu.de/circonium/music/bc_overview.html You'd probably also like some of Vladislav Delay's work, like "Multila" on Chain Reaction and "Ele" on Sigma Editions (the first 2 tracks of which got re-released on "Entain" on Mille Plateaux). Murky. http://laudanum.net/sigma/005.htm Wolfgang Voigt/Mike Ink has also done lots of great stuff (Gas/M:I:5/Freiland/Studio 1/etc. etc.). In fact the stuff on his Profan label would probably appeal to you in general. His brother Reinhard has also done some really dark and murky stuff as Pentax and Sturm. http://www.kompakt-net.de/en/labels.php3 //Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Andrei wrote:

quoted 16 lines On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Thomas Aikin wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Thomas Aikin wrote: > > > I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am > > floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that proclaim > > to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for > > some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on the > > floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too > > minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty > > intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have > > that sound? > > You'd probably also like some of Vladislav Delay's work, like "Multila" on > Chain Reaction and "Ele" on Sigma Editions (the first 2 tracks of which > got re-released on "Entain" on Mille Plateaux). Murky. > http://laudanum.net/sigma/005.htm >

Chain Reaction is awesome imho, and Vladislav's stuff is great techno, if one can call it that, he is quite skilled at sequencing beats,, now anyone know if Monolake plans to release any new stuff, Im really looking forward to hearing some more tracks from them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote:

quoted 9 lines On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Andrei wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Andrei wrote: > > > You'd probably also like some of Vladislav Delay's work, like "Multila" on > > Chain Reaction and "Ele" on Sigma Editions (the first 2 tracks of which > > got re-released on "Entain" on Mille Plateaux). Murky. > > http://laudanum.net/sigma/005.htm > > > Chain Reaction is awesome imho, and Vladislav's stuff is great techno, if > one can call it that, he is quite skilled at sequencing beats,,

I recommended those 2 albums specifically cuz they're some of his least 4/4 type stuff, which is what the original poster said he prefered.

quoted 3 lines now anyone

> now anyone > know if Monolake plans to release any new stuff, Im really looking forward > to hearing some more tracks from them.

Well, there were the "Bicom.Remoteable.Cut" 12" and the full-length "Cinemascope" which came out late last year. http://www.monolake.de/ //Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Andrei wrote:

quoted 14 lines On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote: > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Andrei wrote: > > > > > You'd probably also like some of Vladislav Delay's work, like "Multila" on > > > Chain Reaction and "Ele" on Sigma Editions (the first 2 tracks of which > > > got re-released on "Entain" on Mille Plateaux). Murky. > > > http://laudanum.net/sigma/005.htm > > > > > Chain Reaction is awesome imho, and Vladislav's stuff is great techno, if > > one can call it that, he is quite skilled at sequencing beats,, > > I recommended those 2 albums specifically cuz they're some of his least > 4/4 type stuff, which is what the original poster said he prefered.

Yep, Multila is great, so is Entain, but i haven't got a chance to listen to "Ele", how is it like? sound good?

quoted 13 lines now anyone

> > > now anyone > > know if Monolake plans to release any new stuff, Im really looking forward > > to hearing some more tracks from them. > > Well, there were the "Bicom.Remoteable.Cut" 12" and the full-length > "Cinemascope" which came out late last year. > http://www.monolake.de/ > > > //Andrei > >

Hmm, true, I already have Cinemascope, but hmm..not bicom.Remoteable.Cut 12", on which label is it released on, Chain Reaction? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

also - i strongly recommend the works of SIGNER. most on this list would know him as Bevan Smith a.k.a. ASPEN. as SIGNER he records heavily flanged and decayed minimal echo laden techno which sounds like maurizio after a light spray rinse. LP = giving it up to feel affected. respect, Jeff Davis fon: 216.266.69696 pHlow@earthlink.net fax: 216.266.2360 home.earthlink.net\~phlow cel: 216.533.6303 hyperreal.org\music\rotator\ -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Aikin [mailto:phnxdwn@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:55 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Basic Channel like recommendations I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that proclaim to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on the floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have that sound? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am

> I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am > floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that

proclaim

quoted 2 lines to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for

> to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for > some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on

the

quoted 4 lines floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too

> floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too > minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty > intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have > that sound?

I just got a nice mix CD today called "Composure" on Force Lab (yet another Force Inc sublabel). It was mixed by DJ Algorithm AKA Jeff Milligan from Canada and it's somewhat similar to Richie Hawtin's recent DE9: Closer to the Edit CD in the way it was mixed but sounding less cut-up, more flowing. The music sounds a little bit like a cross between Basic Channel and Akufen, i like it! Here's a URL: http://www.force-lab.com/flab/ Hans -- Hans Veneman hans@technotourist.org http://technotourist.org http://www.TV-99-AD.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Re: Basic Channel... I highly recommend: Porter Ricks "Biokinetics" (Chain Reaction) (it's a bit more 4 on the floor but really really good stuff) Vladislav Delay "Multila" (Chain Reaction) his "crinkliest" release, very dense... i prefer this largely over "Entain" although both are good. his newest one "Naima" is really really good too, working more with voice samples and atmospheres though. Rhythm & Sound s/t (Chain Reaction) (a bit more dub influenced) Monolake "Gobi"/"Cinemascope" (Monolake) Jan Jelinek "Loop finding jazz records" (~scape) a bit more 4/floor but really nice as well, the most ambient/warm of his projects (aka Farben, Gramm) Gas "Zauberberg" (Mille Plateaux) probably my favorite of the Gas releases, very dark. Kit Clayton's "Nek Sanvalet" CD on ~scape is pretty good, very similar to Pole. Phon.o's stuff is more techno but shares qualities of V.Delay and some of the CR crowd... ditto for Sutekh. also I would recommend checking out the Chain Reaction "...compiled" CD which is more techno sounding but has the typical CR sound in full effect, really nice stuff. as for Akufen, he's pretty different from BC/CR. I would recommend his LP on Perlon called "Quebec Nightclub" which is outside. His 12" on Background ("Dada") is good as well, but not quite as accomplished as it preceded QN. I would recommend the "Montreal Smoked Meat" compilation on Force Inc. which includes a new track by Akufen alongside Mitchell Akiyama, Steve Beaupr?, etc. etc. and it's pretty good overall, though stronger towards the start. As someone mentioned, the Forcelab "Composure" comp is pretty good as well.

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>From: "Thomas Aikin" <phnxdwn@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Basic Channel like recommendations >Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:55:25 -0800 > >I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am >floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that proclaim >to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for >some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on >the >floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too >minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty >intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have >that sound?

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote:

quoted 2 lines Yep, Multila is great, so is Entain, but i haven't got a chance to listen

> Yep, Multila is great, so is Entain, but i haven't got a chance to listen > to "Ele", how is it like? sound good?

Well, I'm a bit confused because I don't own "Entain" and the Sigma Editions site says that "Entain" features "Pisa" and "Kohde" while the Force Inc. site says "Entain" features "Kohde" and "Ele" !? Regardless, "Ele" only consists of 3 tracks and they're all long (17-30 mins) with Delay in murky, duby, vague/fractured/implied pulse mode. Lots of clicks and buried vocal snippets. "Pisa" has a major 7th tonality, "Kohde" revolves around a minor chord and "Ele" is kind of tonally ambiguous.

quoted 2 lines Hmm, true, I already have Cinemascope, but hmm..not bicom.Remoteable.Cut

> Hmm, true, I already have Cinemascope, but hmm..not bicom.Remoteable.Cut > 12", on which label is it released on, Chain Reaction?

The 12" is on Imbalance. You can find all the info on Monolake releases on the Monolake site: http://www.monolake.de/ For the original poster, as far as Chain Reaction CDs my favorites are without a doubt the Porter Ricks and Various Artists' "Decay Product". The Vainqueur and Substance material is more 4/4. In my opinion all those Fluxion, Matrix, Hallucinator albums are pretty non-essential. Definitely shouldn't be high priorities. The early stuff (CR-01 through CR-20) is what set the standard. I think Delay is the only one that has anything to add after that point. Another release which I think is essential is the Various Artists 12" on Fat Cat. http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/artists/variousartists.html //Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 06:47 PM 3/8/2002 -0500, Andrei wrote:

quoted 14 lines On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote: > > > Yep, Multila is great, so is Entain, but i haven't got a chance to listen > > to "Ele", how is it like? sound good? > >Well, I'm a bit confused because I don't own "Entain" and the Sigma >Editions site says that "Entain" features "Pisa" and "Kohde" while the >Force Inc. site says "Entain" features "Kohde" and "Ele" !? > >Regardless, "Ele" only consists of 3 tracks and they're all long (17-30 >mins) with Delay in murky, duby, vague/fractured/implied pulse mode. Lots >of clicks and buried vocal snippets. "Pisa" has a major 7th tonality, >"Kohde" revolves around a minor chord and "Ele" is kind of tonally >ambiguous.

OOhhhh! I've been a big fan of this sort of stuff for a while, mainly because I can just put it on and it just permeates the atmosphere. Specifically, off the Entain cd I really like track 4, titled "Notke" What's in this vein? I'm not too big on 4/floor stuff... And, for the record, I haven't been looking at the Chain Reaction et al threads because a lot of the stuff I've heard from them does fall more into the "minimal techno" than the "murky, dubby, vague/fractured/implied pulse" stuff, which I really really like. any help mucho appreciated, as always! derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 10 lines I've been a big fan of this sort of stuff for a while, mainly because I can

> I've been a big fan of this sort of stuff for a while, mainly because I can > just put it on and it just permeates the atmosphere. Specifically, off the > Entain cd I really like track 4, titled "Notke" > > What's in this vein? I'm not too big on 4/floor stuff... > > And, for the record, I haven't been looking at the Chain Reaction et al > threads because a lot of the stuff I've heard from them does fall more into > the "minimal techno" than the "murky, dubby, vague/fractured/implied pulse" > stuff, which I really really like.

Kit Clayton's "Lateral Forces (Surface Fault)" EP on Vertical Form is definitely in that vein. Monolake's "gobi.the desert" EP also fits that category, though the textures on that are more digital and less grimy than in Delay's work. You might also wanna track down the "Radiance" (BC-08) 12" on Basic Channel. The "Presence" side of BC-05 is also great and it's on the BC comp CD which also features a great cd only track called "Mutism" that's in this vein. //Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am

> > I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am > > floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that > proclaim > > to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking

for

quoted 8 lines some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on

> > some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four on > the > > floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too > > minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty > > intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have > > that sound? > > I just got a nice mix CD today called "Composure" on Force Lab (yet

another

quoted 3 lines Force Inc sublabel). It was mixed by DJ Algorithm AKA Jeff Milligan from

> Force Inc sublabel). It was mixed by DJ Algorithm AKA Jeff Milligan from > Canada and it's somewhat similar to Richie Hawtin's recent DE9: Closer to > the Edit CD in the way it was mixed but sounding less cut-up, more

flowing.

quoted 1 line The music sounds a little bit like a cross between Basic Channel and

> The music sounds a little bit like a cross between Basic Channel and

Akufen, I thought "Composure" was pretty clubby, not really CR or dub inspired... forgive me, Force is very hit or miss with me... (understand that I oscillate back and forth from being burnt out on Force releases... we get, literally, 2-3 Force and Mille Plateaux titles in a month at least, and sometimes if a title isn't either different or of excellent quality, it doesn't stick out) Anyhow, some more CR-inspired stuff... in addition to the more well-known slew of laptop technicians which have already been mentioned, but there's a crowd of people coming from very cold lands which I've been quite into of late. There's an excellent CD out now by an Icelandic gentleman who goes by the alias of "Yagya", which is on Force Inc. (not lab), very much reminds me of Porter Ricks (not a comparison I dole out often). Also of note is the release by Deadbeat called "primordia". The whole substractif label (such as it is, with only 3 releases) is also of exceptional quality, Mitchell Akiyama, Thomas Jirku and especially Tim Hecker's "Haunt me, Haunt me, Do it again" are also great. Seriously, go out and buy one of the Substractif titles, the Yagya, and the Deadbeat, you can't go wrong. (Also vertical form, ~scape labels) Andrei (greetings from up the street ;) ): Yeah, Vladislav Delay, especially the year around "ele" (during which he released, what, 7 albums, or something absurd), lots of elements are re-used and it's a bit ambiguous what links can be drawn from one release to another. Albums which have the same title as a track name, but the track appears first on another release, it's really quite confusing, somebody needs to draw me a diagram. The vinyl being mixed so differently than his CD releases doesn't help things, either. My fave is still "vapaa muurari live", with a few kick ass ~scape style dub workouts... "Anima" has also really grown on me, but for different reasons, it's this overwhelming freeform jam which just spills out over the span of an hour. Various artists also had a 12" called, I think, "1-7" on CR, which I had to buy (albiet cheaply) from germany. Back to the coffee, too much schlitz and COPs-like shows last night, I gotta knock that shit off. later Andrew --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Ummm Jeff, Aren't U forgetting to suggest to him Dub Taylor's Form's & Figures? Its got that dubby Channel feel to it..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mxyzptlk Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 4:26 PM To: xstatik@kung-fo.net; Thomas Aikin Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Basic Channel like recommendations

quoted 11 lines I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am

> > > > I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am > > floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that proclaim > > to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically looking for > > some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four > on the > > floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too > > minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty > > intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have > > that sound?

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I can think of a ton of things that have that feel, but none of them are as stripped down and "airy" as the Basic Channel material other than Chain Reaction things which have been mentioned (and I would have dropped those as well, but I just assumed that they were "givens" already) and the DEEPchord material. It bears much closer relation to direction of the original query than most of the other items which have been mentioned. At 08:32 PM 3/9/2002, Omar Hackett wrote:

quoted 24 lines Ummm Jeff,

>Ummm Jeff, > >Aren't U forgetting to suggest to him Dub Taylor's Form's & Figures? Its >got that dubby Channel feel to it..... > >>----- Original Message ----- >>F >> > >> > > I've gotten totally hooked on the Basic Channel sound recently but am >> > > floored by the amount of record labels and releases out there that >> proclaim >> > > to be Basic Channel/micro dub house/whatever and am basically >> looking for >> > > some recommendations. I don't like stuff thats has too much of a four >> > on the >> > > floor beat (I prefer it dubbier), and I find stuff like Snd a little too >> > > minimal. I've already been way into Pole and Monolake and am pretty >> > > intruiged by Akufen. Anyone have particular labels or artists that have >> > > that sound? >> >> >>Have you checkout out DEEPchord? >> jeff >>

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, stephen wrote:

quoted 10 lines I dont think I have a BC record in my crates, I remeber hearing Pole when he

> I dont think I have a BC record in my crates, I remeber hearing Pole when he > was all the rage at my big sisters wedding party and it sounded great on a > loud crappy system, the bass sounded all distorted, she hired some dj from a > record store in manhatan I forget his name and he was great he played, > choclate city, fat cat, experiment hip hop dub type stuff, wish I could > rember his name. > Anyways I went out and boght the Pole CD's, and it jsut didnt sound the > same. > I think If I was into smoking weed Basic Channel sound would sound lot more > apealing, too ambeint for my taste.

I'm confused. First you say you don't have any BC records than you make that last statement about smoking weed. Maybe you think Pole and Basic Channel are the same thing ? He never released anything on BC, or Chain Reaction. Pole's music is really more like a very modern and electronic take on dub techniques whereas BC is more like a dub influenced take on techno and house. There's a lot more "glitch" in Pole's work, I don't think he ever uses a four-on-the-floor beat and his basslines are in a dub like style whereas BC basslines are in a house style. There's a bassline on a track on the first Pole album which is 4 measures long while in BC stuff they're usually about 2 beats long. As far as BC/CR and drugs I think it was Simon Reynolds who called it "heroin house". My favorite joke is that BC/CR stuff is like hearing the music while standing outside of a house club. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, C. Twomey wrote:

quoted 1 line Pole was on Din. Wasn't that a Chain Reaction label? cheers CT

> Pole was on Din. Wasn't that a Chain Reaction label? cheers CT

Yeah, I guess Din is BC/CR/Hardwax related, but they didn't release the typical BC type stuff. I mean Arovane released a bunch of stuff on Din, including his first full length. Betke claims he was making his kind of music before he even became aware of BC records. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Andrei <andrei@world.std.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines I'm confused. First you say you don't have any BC records than you make

> > I'm confused. First you say you don't have any BC records than you make > that last statement about smoking weed.

because of the dub influence, I almost fell asleep behind the wheel once listening to the BC CD comp, the music is very atmospheric.

quoted 4 lines Maybe you think Pole and Basic Channel are the same thing ?

> > Maybe you think Pole and Basic Channel are the same thing ? > He never released anything on BC, or Chain Reaction. >

basically the same sound. I was at a friends loft and there was lots of reverb in his place, I said hey play some Basic Channel you should buy some Chain Reaction and he was like why? he pointed to the Basic Channel compilation and said that's all you really need, he said he could play the same two tracks off that compilation all night at a party and nobody would know the difference. He also has an old Ambient CD compilation with a pre- Basic Channel Maurizio track.

quoted 7 lines Pole's music is really more like a very modern and electronic take on dub

> Pole's music is really more like a very modern and electronic take on dub > techniques whereas BC is more like a dub influenced take on techno and > house. There's a lot more "glitch" in Pole's work, I don't think he > ever uses a four-on-the-floor beat and his basslines are in a dub like > style whereas BC basslines are in a house style. There's a bassline on a > track on the first Pole album which is 4 measures long while in BC stuff > they're usually about 2 beats long.

yeah I know the difference, I think part of the reason Pole sounded so great at my sister wedding party is because the guy had a crap pa system so the bass sounded like a giant fart when the levels would peak. He is really good at mastering his tracks.

quoted 3 lines As far as BC/CR and drugs I think it was Simon Reynolds who called it

> > As far as BC/CR and drugs I think it was Simon Reynolds who called it > "heroin house".

Heroin seems to be the hip fashionable drug of the 90's, sensationalized by the movie Pulp Fiction. I don't do drugs, I wouldn't recommend a drug like heroin unless your a celebrity fashion model.

quoted 6 lines My favorite joke is that BC/CR stuff is like hearing the music while

> > My favorite joke is that BC/CR stuff is like hearing the music while > standing outside of a house club.> Andrei > > ------------------------------ >

that's good. I always thought BC would sound grate in a large empty warehouse so you could hear the reverb and echo reflecting, bouncing off the walls. stephen. http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, stephen wrote:

quoted 4 lines Maybe you think Pole and Basic Channel are the same thing ?

> > Maybe you think Pole and Basic Channel are the same thing ? > > He never released anything on BC, or Chain Reaction. > > basically the same sound.

I disagree. I think that's a superficial thing to say, for the reasons I listed in my previous post. I think A/Bing the Basic Channel comp and Pole's stuff sometime would help.

quoted 4 lines I was at a friends loft and there was lots of reverb in his place, I said

> I was at a friends loft and there was lots of reverb in his place, I said > hey play some Basic Channel you should buy some Chain Reaction and he was > like why? he pointed to the Basic Channel compilation and said that's all > you really need,

I completely disagree with that. The Vainqueur, Porter Ricks, Various Artists and Monolake discs are all quite different from each other and except maybe from the Vainqueur disc they're all different from the Basic Channel material. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org