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2001-09-14 13:03duncan van halluciphile Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
2001-09-14 14:57duncan van halluciphile Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
2001-09-14 15:10duncan van halluciphile Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
2001-09-14 16:15duncan van halluciphile Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
2001-09-14 19:14kelly .... Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
2001-09-14 19:39.Plaid . Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
2001-09-14 20:16Walter Lippman Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
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2001-09-14 21:19Aaron D Meyers Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
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2001-09-14 13:03duncan van halluciphile>>V/VM specialise in 'remixing' other peoples tracks, >>usually ruining them in >>the proc
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quoted 7 lines V/VM specialise in 'remixing' other peoples tracks,>>V/VM specialise in 'remixing' other peoples tracks, >>usually ruining them in >>the process >but mostly pure crap >That's an understatment. That album is horrible. >Just a bunch of crappy tunes >to which all they did was add distortion.
I suppose that would be accomplished by pushing the wonderfully easy and extremely common master distortion button? Is that sarcastic enough for you? Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the musical spectrum, because they cannot understand it. Or they have some pre-determined bias, or both. Have you heard "string up your wife" from diskono2? Now that is a wonderfull rendition of a song that I heard on a regular basis for a long while. The origonal was a tune that opened this little Colledge Radio Stations Weekly electronic show, which I taped and listened to over and over again. It is nice to hear something you are sooo familiar with, but in a whole new way. Several nights ago I played the 3" Klariscopick Remedy (by kevin blectum) for some Notre Dame students. The comments I got where "Are you trying to drive us insane?" and "They locked up a retard in a room and gave him some musical instruments and this is what he came up with." And that is the level that they understood it as. nil. They did not have a clue how to even begin to process the sonic informaiton that was leaking into thier contiousness. They rejected it because it wasn't them. They had never been exposed to anything like it and therefore did not know what to think about it. People are scared of the unknown, because it prooves how ignorant they really are. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming to know everything, I too am ignorant, not by choice, but because there is only so much information that the human brain can actually store...) I directly attribute this theroy to why everyone slams the HAT 3" volumes. It forces them to listen too hard...
quoted 2 lines Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ...>Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ... >>though it's not for everyone.
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2001-09-14 14:57duncan van halluciphilekelly look, you have a very set opinion on v/vm, and I am not trying to change that. I am
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kelly look, you have a very set opinion on v/vm, and I am not trying to change that. I am merely standing up for the other side. as you know, there is always more than one side to everything.
quoted 1 line Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the >musical >>s>>Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the >musical >>spectrum, because they cannot understand it. Or they have some >>pre-determined bias, or both.
quoted 7 lines sorry but there is nothing to "understand" from the album.>sorry but there is nothing to "understand" from the album. >except that V/VM doesn't know when to end a bad joke. > >>And that is the level that they understood it as. nil. They did not have a >>clue how to even begin to process the sonic informaiton that was leaking >>into thier contiousness. They rejected it because it wasn't them. They had >>never been exposed to anything like it and therefore did not know what to >>think about it. People are scared of the unknown, because it prooves how >>ignorant they really are. (Don't > >yea that's it...it couldn't possibly be that they didn't like it. >nah that's impossible
It is quite arrogant to assume that someone or yourself can completely 100% understand something the first time (s)he is exposed to it. They simply rejected it because they couldnot base it on any previous experiance or reference (hence the word bigot). Infact, once one person dissed blectum, all of the other listeners Joined in. As soon as the first person spoke it was established that the Domer (ND student) sub-culture rejects such outlandishly orchestrated ocataves. (http://kevin.blectum.com/msp.html) Do you comprehend the concept of cultural conditioning, or are you ignorant by choice?
quoted 5 lines Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ...>> >Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ... >> >>though it's not for everyone. >>is everything, including noise girl. > >hey kid...don't quote stuff i didn't say
Actually the above is an amalgamation of several statements in order to reflect my opinion. I am not trying to bend you all out of shape, kelly. That is not the end I intend to accomplish. However, I am trying to address issues that I have a problem understanding which is reflected not only throughout the whole "IDM Scene" but also society in general. To reject unfamiliar things that are prviously unknown and bizarre. That is why I have not responded off list. I would like to hear another's opinion on whe whole ordeal, especially if they have something totally different from what you or I have to say.
quoted 2 lines yeah, i agree. V/VM is pure crap. I saw them live.>yeah, i agree. V/VM is pure crap. I saw them live. >He just played bad 80's songs so loud that they clipped the signal
that sounds like a form of good ol noise-core to me
quoted 2 lines whil wearing a pig mask. As>whil wearing a pig mask. As >if to say, yeah you are all retarded for thinking this is great.
Although I interpret the mask as purveying the understanding of butchering sound, instead of being retarded. (which in itself is a horrible thing to say) However, Atleast you recognize that there is a method to his maddness and that he is prolly doing more than being and 80's DJ with the volume up too high...
quoted 3 lines Don't get me wrong, I love noise.>Don't get me wrong, I love noise. >I mean Merzbow is PURE GENIUS, V/VM is PURE LACK OF >ORIGINALITY and TALENT and ART.
Merzbow is also more established and more widely accepted. He has been butchering sine what '78? And is still going strong... Art is in the eye of the beholder, much like beauty. neater sound choke tutor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-14 15:10duncan van halluciphilekelly look, you have a very set opinion on v/vm, and I am not trying to change that. I am
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kelly look, you have a very set opinion on v/vm, and I am not trying to change that. I am merely standing up for the other side. as you know, there is always more than one side to everything.
quoted 1 line Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the >musical >>s>>Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the >musical >>spectrum, because they cannot understand it. Or they have some >>pre-determined bias, or both.
quoted 7 lines sorry but there is nothing to "understand" from the album.>sorry but there is nothing to "understand" from the album. >except that V/VM doesn't know when to end a bad joke. > >>And that is the level that they understood it as. nil. They did not have a >>clue how to even begin to process the sonic informaiton that was leaking >>into thier contiousness. They rejected it because it wasn't them. They had >>never been exposed to anything like it and therefore did not know what to >>think about it. People are scared of the unknown, because it prooves how >>ignorant they really are. (Don't > >yea that's it...it couldn't possibly be that they didn't like it. >nah that's impossible
It is quite arrogant to assume that someone or yourself can completely 100% understand something the first time (s)he is exposed to it. They simply rejected it because they couldnot base it on any previous experiance or reference (hence the word bigot). Infact, once one person dissed blectum, all of the other listeners Joined in. As soon as the first person spoke it was established that the Domer (ND student) sub-culture rejects such outlandishly orchestrated ocataves. (http://kevin.blectum.com/msp.html) Do you comprehend the concept of cultural conditioning, or are you ignorant by choice?
quoted 5 lines Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ...>> >Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ... >> >>though it's not for everyone. >>is everything, including noise girl. > >hey kid...don't quote stuff i didn't say
Actually the above is an amalgamation of several statements in order to reflect my opinion. I am not trying to bend you all out of shape, kelly. That is not the end I intend to accomplish. However, I am trying to address issues that I have a problem understanding which is reflected not only throughout the whole "IDM Scene" but also society in general. To reject unfamiliar things that are prviously unknown and bizarre. That is why I have not responded off list. I would like to hear another's opinion on whe whole ordeal, especially if they have something totally different from what you or I have to say.
quoted 2 lines yeah, i agree. V/VM is pure crap. I saw them live.>yeah, i agree. V/VM is pure crap. I saw them live. >He just played bad 80's songs so loud that they clipped the signal
that sounds like a form of good ol noise-core to me
quoted 2 lines whil wearing a pig mask. As>whil wearing a pig mask. As >if to say, yeah you are all retarded for thinking this is great.
Although I interpret the mask as purveying the understanding of butchering sound, instead of being retarded. (which in itself is a horrible thing to say) However, Atleast you recognize that there is a method to his maddness and that he is prolly doing more than being and 80's DJ with the volume up too high...
quoted 3 lines Don't get me wrong, I love noise.>Don't get me wrong, I love noise. >I mean Merzbow is PURE GENIUS, V/VM is PURE LACK OF >ORIGINALITY and TALENT and ART.
Merzbow is also more established and more widely accepted. He has been butchering sine what '78? And is still going strong... Art is in the eye of the beholder, much like beauty. neater sound choke tutor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-14 16:15duncan van halluciphileMr. Hackett, >....so i've not given up on them. good great glad to hear it. >well it's qui
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Mr. Hackett,
quoted 1 line ....so i've not given up on them.>....so i've not given up on them.
good great glad to hear it.
quoted 1 line well it's quite arrogant to assume>well it's quite arrogant to assume
good point
quoted 3 lines Actually the above is an amalgamation of several statements in order>>Actually the above is an amalgamation of several statements in order >No it's my statement and one others. That's not several. >It's bad form to attribute quotes to someone that didn't make them.
first of all, I never directly quoted you.
quoted 2 lines means one person said it> means one person said it >> means another person said it
no > means I said it! that is three, and the statement in its entirety is the fourth quote.
quoted 3 lines I think a bigger problem is sweeping generalizations...like you>I think a bigger problem is sweeping generalizations...like you >You are making the assumption >It seems that you think that
you know what? you're right. What do I really know? everything is only based on sensory input an none of anything could be real. So, what is the point? The point is that I feel that you do not comprehend, nor value what I am trying to say and therefore will no longer clutter this list comparing my opinions to yours, because, it seems you always have some wittly little comment that goes against anything that I can try to explain. look at the big picture, the meaning, not the individual words.
quoted 2 lines There is nothing strange about the V/VM album...or bizarre.>There is nothing strange about the V/VM album...or bizarre. >Have you even listend to the album?
I own my share of v/vm. yes some is good and some is bad. I am not familiar with this (self titled) album that you speak of, but I'd like to think that I have heard enought v/vm to be able to have a logical opinion about his work. All in all v/vm sucks as much as primus does. dVh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-14 19:14kelly ....>Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the >musical >spectrum, becau
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quoted 3 lines Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the >musical>Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the >musical >spectrum, because they cannot understand it. Or they have some >pre-determined bias, or both.
uh yea that's it genius....have you even listened to the album in question? i have...it's a piece of crap. sorry but there is nothing to "understand" from the album. except that V/VM doesn't know when to end a bad joke.
quoted 6 lines And that is the level that they understood it as. nil. They did not have a>And that is the level that they understood it as. nil. They did not have a >clue how to even begin to process the sonic informaiton that was leaking >into thier contiousness. They rejected it because it wasn't them. They had >never been exposed to anything like it and therefore did not know what to >think about it. People are scared of the unknown, because it prooves how >ignorant they really are. (Don't
yea that's it...it couldn't possibly be that they didn't like it. nah that's impossible was that sarcastic enough for you?
quoted 3 lines Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ...> >Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ... > >>though it's not for everyone. >is everything, including noise girl.
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2001-09-14 19:39.Plaid .yeah, i agree. V/VM is pure crap. I saw them live. He just played bad 80's songs so loud t
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yeah, i agree. V/VM is pure crap. I saw them live. He just played bad 80's songs so loud that they clipped the signal whil wearing a pig mask. As if to say, yeah you are all retarded for thinking this is great. Don't get me wrong, I love noise. I mean Merzbow is PURE GENIUS, V/VM is PURE LACK OF ORIGINALITY and TALENT and ART.
quoted 47 lines From: "kelly ...." <idm_list@hotmail.com>>From: "kelly ...." <idm_list@hotmail.com> >To: duncan@cyberlink.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:14:17 +0000 > > >>Seems to me that people can't appreciate the extremities of the >musical >>spectrum, because they cannot understand it. Or they have some >>pre-determined bias, or both. > >uh yea that's it genius....have you even listened to the album >in question? > >i have...it's a piece of crap. > >sorry but there is nothing to "understand" from the album. >except that V/VM doesn't know when to end a bad joke. > >>And that is the level that they understood it as. nil. They did not have a >>clue how to even begin to process the sonic informaiton that was leaking >>into thier contiousness. They rejected it because it wasn't them. They had >>never been exposed to anything like it and therefore did not know what to >>think about it. People are scared of the unknown, because it prooves how >>ignorant they really are. (Don't > >yea that's it...it couldn't possibly be that they didn't like it. >nah that's impossible > >was that sarcastic enough for you? > >> >Only good thing i've heard from V/VM ... >> >>though it's not for everyone. >>is everything, including noise girl. > >hey kid...don't quote stuff i didn't say > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-09-14 20:16Walter LippmanUm, are you trying to impersonate someone? Like a guy who some of us may not like but many
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Um, are you trying to impersonate someone? Like a guy who some of us may not like but many of us respect his musical taste? If you are, and thats my hunch, you're a poor imposternator, because Hk!(and the exclamation does stand for factorial) wouldnt use such a dumb word as 'crap'. I hate people who try to trick/brain-wash others (hey, I am starting to type like that chap:) Cheers, Mr. Lippman
quoted 18 lines uh yea that's it genius....have you even listened to the album> >uh yea that's it genius....have you even listened to the album >in question? > >i have...it's a piece of crap. > > >yea that's it...it couldn't possibly be that they didn't like it. >nah that's impossible > >was that sarcastic enough for you? > > >hey kid...don't quote stuff i didn't say > > > >
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2001-09-14 20:34kelly ....>kelly look, >you have a very set opinion on v/vm, and I am not trying to change >that. I
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quoted 4 lines kelly look,>kelly look, >you have a very set opinion on v/vm, and I am not trying to change >that. I >am merely standing up for the other side. as you know, there >is always >more than one side to everything.
no i don't have a set opinion on them...but most of what i've heard of theirs has been crap. Doesn't mean I think that everything they put out in the future will be crap. I said i liked their split on fatcat....so i've not given up on them.
quoted 2 lines It is quite arrogant to assume that someone or yourself can completely>It is quite arrogant to assume that someone or yourself can completely > >100% understand something the first time (s)he is exposed to it. They
well it's quite arrogant to assume that because someone doesn't like something it's because they don't "understand" it...whatever that is supposed to mean.
quoted 1 line Actually the above is an amalgamation of several statements in order>Actually the above is an amalgamation of several statements in order
No it's my statement and one others. That's not several. It's bad form to attribute quotes to someone that didn't make them.
quoted 4 lines To reject unfamiliar things that are prviously unknown and bizarre. >That>To reject unfamiliar things that are prviously unknown and bizarre. >That >is why I have not responded off list. I would like to hear >another's >opinion on whe whole ordeal, especially if they have >something totally >different from what you or I have to say.
I think a bigger problem is sweeping generalizations...like you just made. You are making the assumption I don't like it because it's "unknown and bizarre" It seems that you think that if people dont' like a certain type of music because it's too strange for them. There is nothing strange about the V/VM album...or bizarre. Have you even listend to the album? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-14 21:19Aaron D MeyersWhy don't you two fucking cool it and take it off list. You especially Kelly. Goddamned ve
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Why don't you two fucking cool it and take it off list. You especially Kelly. Goddamned venom-tongued newbies. -Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly ...." <idm_list@hotmail.com> Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
quoted 64 lines kelly look,> > >kelly look, > >you have a very set opinion on v/vm, and I am not trying to > change >that. I > >am merely standing up for the other side. as you know, there >is > always > >more than one side to everything. > > no i don't have a set opinion on them...but most of what i've > heard of theirs has been crap. Doesn't mean I think that everything > they put out in the future will be crap. > > I said i liked their split on fatcat....so i've not given > up on them. > > >It is quite arrogant to assume that someone or yourself can > completely > > >100% understand something the first time (s)he is exposed to > it. They > > well it's quite arrogant to assume that because someone doesn't > like something it's because they don't "understand" it...whatever > that is supposed to mean. > > >Actually the above is an amalgamation of several statements in order > > No it's my statement and one others. That's not several. > > It's bad form to attribute quotes to someone that didn't make them. > > >To reject unfamiliar things that are prviously unknown and > bizarre. >That > >is why I have not responded off list. I would like to hear > >another's > >opinion on whe whole ordeal, especially if they have >something > totally > >different from what you or I have to say. > > I think a bigger problem is sweeping generalizations...like you > just made. > > You are making the assumption I don't like it because it's > "unknown and bizarre" > > It seems that you think that if people dont' like a certain type of > music because it's too strange for them. > > There is nothing strange about the V/VM album...or bizarre. > > Have you even listend to the album? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-09-14 21:28kelly ....>Why don't you two fucking cool it and take it off list. oh you mean cool down like you an
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quoted 1 line Why don't you two fucking cool it and take it off list.>Why don't you two fucking cool it and take it off list.
oh you mean cool down like you and take it off list like you just did? moron.
quoted 1 line You especially Kelly. Goddamned venom-tongued newbies.>You especially Kelly. Goddamned venom-tongued newbies.
only venom i see is from you. oh my he called me a newbie...whatever will i do? we are discussing music...if you don't like it too bad. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-14 21:57kelly ....>Mr. Hackett, it's not me...but why am i not surprised that you jumped to yet another conc
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quoted 1 line Mr. Hackett,>Mr. Hackett,
it's not me...but why am i not surprised that you jumped to yet another conclusion about me?
quoted 2 lines value what I am trying to say and therefore will no longer clutter >this>value what I am trying to say and therefore will no longer clutter >this >list comparing my opinions to yours,
then why did you send this to the list? to get the last word?
quoted 3 lines I am not familiar with this (self titled) album that you speak of, but >I'd>I am not familiar with this (self titled) album that you speak of, but >I'd >like to think that I have heard enought v/vm to be able to have a >logical >opinion about his work.
well then all your hot air was really for nothing...wasn't it? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-14 22:13duncan van halluciphilehttp://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=arrogant http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/
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http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=arrogant http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=bigot The only irony in this "conversation" is that most arrogant bigots are so pigheaded that refuse to believe what they are. get it pig, head = v/vm no more rubbish from me today --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-14 22:18kelly ....>The only irony in this "conversation" is that most arrogant bigots are >so >pigheaded tha
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quoted 2 lines The only irony in this "conversation" is that most arrogant bigots are >so>The only irony in this "conversation" is that most arrogant bigots are >so >pigheaded that refuse to believe what they are.
yes i agree you are a pigheaded bigot. Now we can end this since we agree. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-14 22:24[alland.byallo]OMG PLEASE STOP. thank you. Alland Byallo humbledesign -----------------------------------
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RE: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
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Re: [idm] V/VM = listen with an open mind, not for bigots
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OMG PLEASE STOP. thank you. Alland Byallo humbledesign --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org