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2001-08-17 20:46Joe Joe [idm] Track 7 Theory
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├─ 2001-08-17 22:30i Re: [idm] Track 7 Theory - Third songs a ballad
│ └─ 2001-08-17 22:45Brian MacDonald Re: [idm] Track 7 Theory - Third songs a ballad
│ └─ 2001-08-27 18:27R. Lim [idm] a subject of little consequence
└─ 2001-08-20 15:58Alexandre Boutin RE: [idm] Track 7 Theory (was in vacation)
2001-08-17 20:53Reading, John FW: [idm] Track 7 Theory
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└─ 2001-08-18 04:29Chispas De Muerte Re: [idm] Track 7 Theory
├─ 2001-08-19 02:43The Chisa Re: [idm] Track 7 Theory
└─ 2001-08-19 23:04jean paul l'asthme [idm] numbers (was track7)
2001-08-18 01:23Anig Browl Re: [idm] Track 7 Theory
2001-08-19 18:26philippe petit [idm] Track 7 Theory
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2001-08-17 20:46Joe JoeI noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track 7(on releases wit
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I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track 7(on releases with 7 or more tracks, of course) is (almost)always the stand out track. Is this coincidental or do artists do this for a specific reason? I know I sound crazy as a fucking loon, but I find it strange that my favorite track is usually track 7. JJ _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 21:32R. LimOn Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Joe Joe wrote: > I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have li
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Joe Joe wrote:
quoted 4 lines I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track> I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track > 7(on releases with 7 or more tracks, of course) is (almost)always the stand > out track. Is this coincidental or do artists do this for a specific > reason? I know I sound crazy as a fucking loon, but I find it strange that
In the pre-CD days, track one of side two was always known as the "sweet spot" in the pop record industry, where your smashingest hit should be placed. If you average out six songs per side, then track 7 would be the corresponding track. This, of course, could be an entirely specious logic. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 22:30iAlso the pop-industry rule for metal bands was always - 3rd song's a ballad. Check it out
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Also the pop-industry rule for metal bands was always - 3rd song's a ballad. Check it out on your favourite rockers. This theory holds up to repeat analysis unlike those dodgy 'number' theories he he ;) -i --- "R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com> wrote:
quoted 20 lines On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Joe Joe wrote:> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Joe Joe wrote: > > > I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track > > 7(on releases with 7 or more tracks, of course) is (almost)always the stand > > out track. Is this coincidental or do artists do this for a specific > > reason? I know I sound crazy as a fucking loon, but I find it strange that > > In the pre-CD days, track one of side two was always known as the "sweet > spot" in the pop record industry, where your smashingest hit should be > placed. If you average out six songs per side, then track 7 would be the > corresponding track. This, of course, could be an entirely specious > logic. > > -rob > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-17 22:45Brian MacDonaldDon't forget the Foghat rule! "Your 4th record has to be DOUBLE LIVE!" Spiritualized, Sunn
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Don't forget the Foghat rule! "Your 4th record has to be DOUBLE LIVE!" Spiritualized, Sunny Day Real Estate, and even Cabaret Voltaire know the power of the Foghat rule. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, i wrote:
quoted 5 lines Also the pop-industry rule for metal bands was always - 3rd song's a ballad.> Also the pop-industry rule for metal bands was always - 3rd song's a ballad. > Check it out on your favourite rockers. This theory holds up to repeat analysis > unlike those dodgy 'number' theories he he ;) > > -i
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2001-08-27 18:27R. LimOn Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Brian MacDonald wrote: > Don't forget the Foghat rule! > > "Your 4th
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Brian MacDonald wrote:
quoted 6 lines Don't forget the Foghat rule!> Don't forget the Foghat rule! > > "Your 4th record has to be DOUBLE LIVE!" > > Spiritualized, Sunny Day Real Estate, and even Cabaret Voltaire know the > power of the Foghat rule.
wrt Spiritualized: 1. Lazer Guided Melodies 2. Fucked Up Inside (live) 3. Pure Phase 4. Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space 5. Royal Albert Hall (live) -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-20 15:58Alexandre BoutinSpeaking of trak 7... Does anybody know something about track 7 on Surfing on Sinewaves (P
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Speaking of trak 7... Does anybody know something about track 7 on Surfing on Sinewaves (Polygon Window) ??? This track has a special place in my repertoire and i'm eager to get info about it... thanx !! -----Original Message----- From: R. Lim [mailto:rlim@escape.com] Sent: August 17, 2001 5:33 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Track 7 Theory On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Joe Joe wrote:
quoted 2 lines I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track> I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track > 7(on releases with 7 or more tracks, of course) is (almost)always the
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quoted 2 lines out track. Is this coincidental or do artists do this for a specific> out track. Is this coincidental or do artists do this for a specific > reason? I know I sound crazy as a fucking loon, but I find it strange
that In the pre-CD days, track one of side two was always known as the "sweet spot" in the pop record industry, where your smashingest hit should be placed. If you average out six songs per side, then track 7 would be the corresponding track. This, of course, could be an entirely specious logic. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 20:53Reading, John> my favorite track is usually track 7. mine is on supermogadan --------------------------
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quoted 1 line my favorite track is usually track 7.> my favorite track is usually track 7.
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2001-08-17 20:58Tyr aka XpansionJoe Joe wrote: > I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track
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Joe Joe wrote:
quoted 5 lines I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track> I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track > 7(on releases with 7 or more tracks, of course) is (almost)always the stand > out track. Is this coincidental or do artists do this for a specific > reason? I know I sound crazy as a fucking loon, but I find it strange that > my favorite track is usually track 7.
I think it's some random personal thing.. (or maybe, just maybe it can be correlated to the I Ching... =)I'm a tracks 6 and 8 man myself.... morgan -- AIM Tyr1024 TRiP :-: Power without permits "damn yo the name Bogdan even sounds boring" -Bryan Herbert [T].[X].[TX] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 21:03rachel@velvetpants.comOn Fri, 17 August 2001, Joe Joe wrote: > > I noticed that on a majority of the albums I ha
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On Fri, 17 August 2001, Joe Joe wrote:
quoted 6 lines I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track> > I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track > 7(on releases with 7 or more tracks, of course) is (almost)always the stand > out track. Is this coincidental or do artists do this for a specific > reason? I know I sound crazy as a fucking loon, but I find it strange that > my favorite track is usually track 7.
no, for a long time (and still most of the time), that's been the case for me too! i've pointed it out to several people. it's pretty odd...i'm not sure how to approach the numerical analysis...i wonder what the selection effect is, or how much of it is that for a short while there was a statistically improbable trend of 7s and then you just notice more after that... (you know, how people only remember the things that nostradamus predicted that came true, and not all the things that didn't...) -rachel (aka dj pie) ps. but i still plan to do a set of all track 7s and see if anyone notices... -- "time can but make it easier to be wise / though now it seems impossible, and so / all that you need is patience." --yeats --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-18 04:29Chispas De MuerteOkay I tested the track 7 theory on a random grabbing of cds, and heres the results; Brain
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Okay I tested the track 7 theory on a random grabbing of cds, and heres the results; Braindance comp: Track 7:the railway raver- pretty unremarkable track, arguabley one of the least interesting on the disk. Animals on Wheels:Designs and mistakes: track seven is pretty unremarkable, relative to the rest of the album D'arcangelo-shipwreck: track seven is pretty good on this one, but also I like most of this album. Ovuca:Wasted Sunday: tr.7 is pretty good, but by no means blowing my mind. Matmos:a chance to cut: tr 7 is also the last track on this one, so there could be a whole theory based around the last track, but this one is good, but I think track 3 or 4 is the standout on that album. U-ziq:tang n vectif: Track 7 is pretty good, wierd dr who ish sort of track. Two lone swordsmen:Tiny reminders: track 7 wierd atmospheric pretty unremarkable go nowhere track Venetian Snares:Songs about cats: track 7 is pretty good, I dunno about the best on the album.. We: Decentertainment: Total filler track, I think I forgot about this one. Okay, I dont think I had any groundbreaking findings based on this research. Maybe its one of those things that the more you pay attention to it the more it pops up. Like I was reading Cosmic Trigger by Robert anton Wilson and he has this whole thing, him and Burroughs about the number 23 and syncronicities around it. And then the more they noticed it, the more it kept popping up. And thinking nothing of it I went to denver to see plaid, and in the midst of watching the visuals projected, out pops a schoolbus, bus number 23! --- rachel@velvetpants.com wrote:
quoted 44 lines On Fri, 17 August 2001, Joe Joe wrote:> On Fri, 17 August 2001, Joe Joe wrote: > > > > > I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have > listened to that track > > 7(on releases with 7 or more tracks, of course) is > (almost)always the stand > > out track. Is this coincidental or do artists do > this for a specific > > reason? I know I sound crazy as a fucking loon, > but I find it strange that > > my favorite track is usually track 7. > > no, for a long time (and still most of the time), > that's been > the case for me too! i've pointed it out to several > people. > it's pretty odd...i'm not sure how to approach the > numerical > analysis...i wonder what the selection effect is, or > how much > of it is that for a short while there was a > statistically > improbable trend of 7s and then you just notice more > after > that... (you know, how people only remember the > things that > nostradamus predicted that came true, and not all > the things > that didn't...) > > -rachel (aka dj pie) > ps. but i still plan to do a set of all track 7s and > see if > anyone notices... > > > -- > "time can but make it easier to be wise / though now > it seems > impossible, and so / all that you need is patience." > --yeats > >
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2001-08-19 02:43The ChisaI decided to test this track 7 theory myself, for fun, on entirely random CD selections. A
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I decided to test this track 7 theory myself, for fun, on entirely random CD selections. Artist: Biosphere Album: SubStrata Track 7: "Kobresia" Certainly works here. My favorite track on this incredible album. Artist: Orbital Album: Orbital 2 (the brown album) Track 7: "Walk Now" Definitely a decent track, to be sure, but doesn't really come close to the epic "Halcton + On + On" or the various "Lush" interpretations. Artist: Autechre Album: LP5 Track 7: "Under BOAC" I'll probably start another Ae flame war with this, but I find this track wholly annoying. Doesn't touch the track following it, "corc," for unrivaled beauty. Artist: Various Album: Vibon compilation Track 7: "Cootchie" by Flowchart Oh, Hell no. The standout here is definitely track 9, "Strung Out" by Spintronic; melodic, SAW1 style beaty goodness. Artist: Global Communication Album: Pentamerous Metamorphosis Track 7: n/a Well, what the Hell do I do here? Go find a copy of "Blood Music" and try to guess which of the phases is an interpretation of "On the Way to Fly?" Artist: Kid Spatula Album: Spatula Freak Track 7: "Get Up T" No, sir, nothing touches "Cough" (track 5). Artist: Exterior Mirror Album: Hupp Track 7: "Coolant" Definitely, definitely. This is one of the better post SAW2 textural albums I've heard, and "Coolant" is the climax. Artist: Scorn Album: Logghi Barogghi Track 7: "Logghi Barogghi" No arguement that it's certainly the title track. Decently composed, but way to short to be a standout. Check "Out Of" (track 5) instead for menacing clip-hop ("clip" as in "distorted to fuck"). Artist: Squarepusher Album: Hard Normal Daddy Track 7: "E8 Boogie" Lots of jazzy fun here, but certainly not the one that makes me sit up and go "whoa, shit." That honor falls to track 2: "Beep Street" Artist: The Orb Album: The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld (original US single-CD version) Track 7: "Star 6 & 7 8 9" Are you kidding? This is the one track I *don't* like off of this! "Outlands" (track 6) and "Earth (Gaia)" (track 2) wipe the floor with it. So, out of ten discs: 2 positive votes, 7 negative votes, and one inapplicable. I discovered as many positive votes for tracks 2, 5 and 9 globally. One might note that the selection sample is pathetically small for any statistical analysis; one might just as well note that 2 plus 5 and 9 minus 2 both equal 7. Like I said, it's all just for fun. m@2zo www.thechisa.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-19 23:04jean paul l'asthmeany number that you focus on enough will pop up every so often strictly because all object
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any number that you focus on enough will pop up every so often strictly because all objects can be quantified. they're always there, it's just that it seems remarkable when you make something of it. one number that i notice frequently is 33, it's used often as a literary device (it's the age at which jesus alledgedly died), and it's also 1/3 of 100, which is an amount that seems to come up a lot... numbers are funny. gregory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-18 01:23Anig BrowlFrom: Joe Joe <lobcy@excite.com> > I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have liste
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quoted 2 lines I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track> I noticed that on a majority of the albums I have listened to that track > 7(on releases with 7 or more tracks, of course) is (almost)always the
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quoted 1 line my favorite track is usually track 7.> my favorite track is usually track 7.
No, I know what you mean. When I listen to a trance album I always listen to a bit of the first track to see if it's any good at all, then I slip to track 6 to see if it's excellent. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-19 18:26philippe petitYou know, for someone who posts very often to the list, Anig at least has quite a high sig
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You know, for someone who posts very often to the list, Anig at least has quite a high signal-to-noise ratio... I honestly got some useful info and insight out of the last few messages he posted. If he (or she?) posts too often for certain peoples' tolerances here or what not, that's fine... but I feel "still out of it" is a pretty unjustified phrase to use. indeed and it makes a very stupid post, some people are just able to complain i guess, in any case thaats to Anig philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... **************************************************************