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2001-06-26 01:01Dean Debendictis>>>>Someone wrote: > > Dean, I wish you success with your release and I > will try to take

From:: Dean Debendictis <surface_10@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:01:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

quoted 14 lines Someone wrote:

>>>>Someone wrote: > > Dean, I wish you success with your release and I > will try to take a listen > to your mp3s. But being rude to people, sending the > same message over and > over, and describing your own music as > 'profound/serious/you won't be > disappointed' - judgements normally made by > reviewers - these are not good > ways to get people positively interested in your > music. Just chill out a > little. >

Thank you for the positive input. You're making some very good points. I will have to watch that. Guess I'm just a tad confused about how to get people's attention at the moment. I've already done the non-egotistical, passive, shy, neglected artist thing and all it's ever gotten me was neglected. Whether or not you are doing something unique, people seem more and more respectful of arrogance as time goes by so I figured I should start coming across that way a bit. It's hard. I'm trying to break through a wall of elitist, Autechre clone idealists to show that I'm doing something different. I'm so tired of being ignored that I'm even willing to come off arrogant if that's what it takes to get people's attention. Peace, Dean ===== Dean De Benedictis SURFACE 10 http://www.surface10.com http://www.mp3.com/surface10 Fateless Records Inc. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-06-26 01:36Astaplatz~I've already done the ~non-egotistical, passive, shy, neglected artist thing ~and all it'

From:: Astaplatz <sebastian@arctone.com>
To:: 'Dean Debendictis' <surface_10@yahoo.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:36:41 -0700
Subject:: RE: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.
Reply to:: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

~I've already done the ~non-egotistical, passive, shy, neglected artist thing ~and all it's ever gotten me was neglected. ~I'm so tired of being ~ignored that I'm even willing to come off arrogant if ~that's what it takes to get people's attention. Dean, This is politics, one person will want you to be confident, another will want their artist to be a hidden push over. Most, I think, would like you to _not_ be accessible to the "common" public- like being on this list. Heaven forbid you would be a normal person whom they could grow to understand, see mistakes and faults in or learn more about... People want to "read about you" and have that carrot of "understanding you" dangle in front of them, but be ever elusive. That's what popularity is all about... It's frigin hard. And I can't tell you what's the best way to get out there. Think: "Public Relations" It's all PR at your stage, PR, PR, PR ,PR.. sing it in your sleep, dream it... magazine reviews, live sets, marketing, label backing,... make the connects... and personally, I think, be confident, but not arrogant. but then again, you could be arrogant, or a pussy cat too... it really doesn't matter! THE MUSIC DOES!!!!!!!!! If it's any consolation, I think what I heard rocks! Really! Play live in my area [SF] and I will be your groupie! =) So there, see we aren't all Ae drones. A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-06-26 03:22Brian MacDonaldI'll also add, as someone who just recently sent out an e-mail to friends to check out som

From:: Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:22:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: RE: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.
Reply to:: RE: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

I'll also add, as someone who just recently sent out an e-mail to friends to check out some music I've been working as well, that while it's perfectly natural to not get a single response until quite a while after the post, it's always frustrating because you're always at that moment where you've practically fallen in love with and obsessed over this song you just finished. And to not get an immediate, lavishly positive response from this entire world of e-mail addresses seems like a slap in the face. When in fact, these folks you e-mailed are probably just getting off their shift at work.. or just didn't have time to check e-mail, or have a broken net connection, or ran out of download disk space, or just don't have the time to download but mean to, etc. etc. etc. Just hang in there. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-06-26 01:53eric@synthesizer.org>people seem more and more respectful of arrogance as time goes by so I >figured I should

From:: <eric@synthesizer.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:53:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.
Reply to:: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

quoted 2 lines people seem more and more respectful of arrogance as time goes by so I

>people seem more and more respectful of arrogance as time goes by so I >figured I should start coming across that way a bit.

*plonk* Welcome to my killfile! -eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-06-26 12:28Anig BrowlFrom: <eric@synthesizer.org> > *plonk* > > Welcome to my killfile! We are all so intereste

From:: Anig Browl <anig_browl@yahoo.com>
To:: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:28:08 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

From: <eric@synthesizer.org>

quoted 3 lines *plonk*

> *plonk* > > Welcome to my killfile!

We are all so interested in your killfile super powers eric. It is a pity you have killfiled this, as the mp3s of Dean's music which I have downloaded so far are excellent, and much more interesting than Dean's PR awkwardness. I will be ordering the album. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-06-26 16:21eric@synthesizer.org>It is a pity you have killfiled this, as the mp3s of Dean's music which I >have downloade

From:: <eric@synthesizer.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:21:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.
Reply to:: Re: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

quoted 3 lines It is a pity you have killfiled this, as the mp3s of Dean's music which I

>It is a pity you have killfiled this, as the mp3s of Dean's music which I >have downloaded so far are excellent, and much more interesting than Dean's >PR awkwardness. I will be ordering the album.

Heh, anybody who says that needing attention justifies their obnoxiousness is pretty much an instant writeoff for me. Not that it can't result in fine, fine music, but I know that the entirety of my music collection is composed of artists who didn't beg me to listen to their music and tell them what I thought of it. -eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-06-26 16:46Astaplatz~but I know that the entirety of my music ~collection is ~composed of artists who didn't b

From:: Astaplatz <sebastian@arctone.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:46:13 -0700
Subject:: RE: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.
Reply to:: Re: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

~but I know that the entirety of my music ~collection is ~composed of artists who didn't beg me to listen to their music and tell ~them what I thought of it. one of those artists in your collection ~might~ have begged someone ~else~ to listen to it... but that doesn't count does it...? =))) A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-06-26 18:24eric@synthesizer.org>one of those artists in your collection ~might~ have begged someone ~else~ >to listen to

From:: <eric@synthesizer.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:24:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: RE: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.
Reply to:: RE: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

quoted 3 lines one of those artists in your collection ~might~ have begged someone ~else~

>one of those artists in your collection ~might~ have begged someone ~else~ >to listen to it... >but that doesn't count does it...?

Well no, I don't think it does, if this thread is still coming from the standpoint of the reasons someone might listen to a piece of music that bears no previous connection to the listener other than their being asked by a stranger to listen to a random piece because the listener *might* like it. I mean, it's possible that someone has gone on to a fruitful music career via that path, but does anybody respond positively to begging like that? Of course, this is not to overgeneralize "begging" into an argument for the eradication of the homeless or anything. -eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-06-26 17:35activity@activaireNot sure if you are aware of this Anig, but yesterday you sent me a virus. It was a reply

From:: activity@activaire <activity@activaire.com>
To:: Anig Browl <anig_browl@yahoo.com>, IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:35:10 -0700
Subject:: [idm] warning: Anig Browl sent me a virus
Reply to:: Re: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

Not sure if you are aware of this Anig, but yesterday you sent me a virus. It was a reply to my recordcamp announcement and the attachment was called "you are fat" or something like that. I believe it was a worm. Anyway, just thought I'd let everyone know. wear protection! ____________________________________________ Adesh Deosaran Uneven Foundation T 1(718)349-1578 F 1(718)504-4010 adesh@unevenfoundation.com www.unevenfoundation.com -----Original Message----- From: Anig Browl [mailto:anig_browl@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:28 AM To: IDM List Subject: Re: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments. From: <eric@synthesizer.org>

quoted 3 lines *plonk*

> *plonk* > > Welcome to my killfile!

2001-06-27 21:58Anig BrowlFrom: <eric@synthesizer.org> > standpoint of the reasons someone might listen to a piece o

From:: Anig Browl <anig_browl@yahoo.com>
To:: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:58:05 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.

From: <eric@synthesizer.org>

quoted 4 lines standpoint of the reasons someone might listen to a piece of music that

> standpoint of the reasons someone might listen to a piece of music that > bears no previous connection to the listener other than their being asked > by a stranger to listen to a random piece because the listener *might* > like it.

I think you're overstating the point a bit. If the guy promotes his music on an IDM list, saying that he thinks IDM people will be interested, you can guess *something* about what sort of music it is. I mean I asked people to give me feedback on my tunes, and lots of people responded with criticism. I mean, it's exactly the sort of thing mailing lists make possible, no? At bottom, it's not that different from an advert for a new artist, seems to me. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

RE: [idm] (surface 10) Thanks for the comments.