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2001-06-15 08:52Mike Paradinas [idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
├─ 2001-06-15 14:44Chris West RE: [idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
├─ 2001-06-15 16:38Sebastian Chedal RE: [idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
└─ 2001-06-15 18:14i Re: [idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
2001-06-15 23:16Anig Browl Re: [idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
2001-06-16 02:27Mark Re: [idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
2001-06-16 07:43Andrew Hime Re: [idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
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2001-06-15 08:52Mike Paradinas! I'm afraid whoever said some of my shit is poorly produced got it right. It is not that
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Mike Paradinas
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Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:52:05 +0100
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[idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
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! I'm afraid whoever said some of my shit is poorly produced got it right. It is not that I don't care about the listener though. When I created the said tracks (I've got a fair idea of what ones your on about) I didn't have an audience in mind at all. I was just creating a few things to amuse myself on the atari. When it comes time to make an album, some of the "throwaway" (I hadn't thought much of them at the time of recording) tracks have the most emotional resonance. Re-recording them "correctly" is futile: it loses the feeling (totally). Also a lot of my equipment was total shit, I didn't have any outboard except for a delay pedal (no compresser or any dynamics, just the 4-track with it's trims for compression) but that's verging on an excuse. It's probably closer to the truth to say that my ears were concentrating on the vibe rather than the production. "The Fear" track is one which I can't even listen to now because it has those horrid clips in the vocal sample, but when I rerecorded it I lost that aforementioned vibe. So there U go. For a more accurate picture of where my production lies at the moment you can get my most recent 12": Rude Ass Tinker - Imperial Break/Silk Ties on Deathchant Records available from www.undergroundmusic.co.uk in UK and majesticstore.com in US among others. Etc. -- Mike p http://www.planet-mu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-15 14:44Chris WestWow, very interesting angle from Mike P there. I think there is a good possibility that he
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Chris West
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Idm
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Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:44:09 -0700
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Wow, very interesting angle from Mike P there. I think there is a good possibility that he may have done a good job of connecting this thread to the intelligent vs emotional thread. Nice one. Though I don't make music I just wanted to say that I am finding this thread quite interesting. It is nice to have a little bit on insight into a variety of different musician's production philosophies. And as a final little bit here, Anig, when you finish up your tracks do indeed let us know. I would love to download them and see what you are up to. Your production philosophy, to me at least, is top notch--also what you have said about your musical background is similar to mine. At least the connection to psytrance anyway. To be honest I have actually been wondering how much of a psytrance ---> IDM crossover there is. -c np: Delarosa & Asora --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-15 16:38Sebastian Chedal~! I'm afraid whoever said some of my shit is poorly produced got it ~right. It is not tha
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Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:38:30 -0700
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~! I'm afraid whoever said some of my shit is poorly produced got it ~right. It is not that I don't care about the listener though. When I ~created the said tracks (I've got a fair idea of what ones your on ~about) I didn't have an audience in mind at all. I was just creating a ~few things to amuse myself on the atari. When it comes time to make an ~album, some of the "throwaway" (I hadn't thought much of them at the ~time of recording) tracks have the most emotional resonance. ~Re-recording them "correctly" is futile: it loses the feeling ~(totally). Ok, yes I have to agree with this. I have made some recordings in my studio that just sounded soooo good at first, you record it on a take, the pad clips... but damn it sounded good. then you go off, come back, start tweaking the eq and before you know it- you've started to change the song beyond recovery [you know, move one fader up, now turn all the effects down, now compensate for that by moving other faders up... before you know it... armph! where did my main melody go?]. There is something to be said to one's approach to music though. Is the producer someone who spends hours making and editing sounds [like I would say Ae or Aphex do], or are you content with getting a sound that meets your feel quickly, so as to finish the song in one inspirational moment? How much of your creative process do you devote to song preparation [making patches, sampler banks, making your own drum kits etc.], to composing, to mixing and to mastering? I think to some they find certain parts of this process more interesting than others- and then tend to focus on them. Leaving the others a little left behind. That's fine- if you are making a statement. But there is nothing wrong with making a good song and production even better. This is why, traditionally at least, people have chosen one or two parts of the process as their focus. It's what they enjoyed [the mixing, the mastering, the composing or the "sound making" [i.e. the bass player, singer or synth programmer]. Today we are faced with all levels of the process and it's a daunting task. The thing is, you CAN do it all now too, for not much money. But you are asked to be a master at ALL of these levels. A task for the obsessed or the brilliant... I would say. BUT, I strongly feel that there are MANY people out there who make music, primarily the more novice one's. who make LOOONG songs, record it all and reject all criticism [under a mask of "it's art!"] simply because they lack self confidence in their abilities. It takes a certain level of humbleness to let someone ELSE take your song, rip it to pieces, shorten it, and then master it and say "here, now THAT's a good mix! {while the producer is thinking to himself: you IDIOT!}". What many great "publicly" accepted artists really lack is that ability to say they make mistakes and they are still learning. I really respect that, and we- as humans... don't really make any room for people to be people... My first reaction was to say to the list "cracks and pops are just lazy", and I do still think it is. But now I also am left to agree with Mike P. that if you have a certain moment that was recorded, and you just can't reproduce it [as many times I have found to be true]-- how do you solve the problem? Personally, it's just an indicator to me that I have still something to learn. Either I need to be able to reproduce that moment better [more oversight in what I am tweaking and editing-simplify things], or I need to be able-while in that moment- to be more attentive. It's one thing to paint a Rembrandt- it's another to paint a Rembrandt and spill some red paint on it at the end and go "ooops!"- darn... um, yes well... here you go, it's still my masterpiece! its ART!" lol... for arguemental sake, if anyone wants to here one of my tracks where _I_ clipped the pad and STILL kept the take [it was from a live session/performance planned for the OLVG in Amsterdam] cause I NEVER managed to get the melody so pretty ever again when I tried [and failed], here's the link: =) http://www.fountain-city.com/portfolio/ear/olvg.mp3 But would I publish this song? Probably not... unless people REALLY-really wanted it, even with the error(s)... but anyways... dream on... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-15 18:14i--- Mike Paradinas <mu-ziq.planet.mu@virgin.net> wrote:> For a more accurate picture of wh
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Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:14:36 -0700 (PDT)
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--- Mike Paradinas <mu-ziq.planet.mu@virgin.net> wrote:> For a more accurate picture of where my production lies at the moment
quoted 3 lines you can get my most recent 12": Rude Ass Tinker - Imperial Break/Silk> you can get my most recent 12": Rude Ass Tinker - Imperial Break/Silk > Ties on Deathchant Records available from www.undergroundmusic.co.uk in > UK and majesticstore.com in US among others. Etc.
And those nice folks at masjesticstore describe it as: "This tinker is ripping' up your insides and tweaking the old school samples with the ultra harder faster style. The style that everyone can dig, straight breaking' it down to the fullest and gutting you with that ill distort, step off.." -i I'm steppin off right now ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-15 23:16Anig BrowlFrom: Chris West <cpwest@qwest.net> > And as a final little bit here, Anig, when you finis
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Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:16:30 +0100
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quoted 3 lines And as a final little bit here, Anig, when you finish up your tracks do> And as a final little bit here, Anig, when you finish up your tracks do > indeed let us know. I would love to download them and see what you are up > to
You might decide that I am not up to much :-) I am trying to arrange some FTP server space at the moment, I don't really want to put the stuff on MP3.com because they send me so much junk mail already, everyone on there seems to have a fancy web page, and all that distracting stuff.
quoted 1 line To be honest I have actually been wondering how much of a psytrance --->> To be honest I have actually been wondering how much of a psytrance --->
IDM
quoted 1 line crossover there is.> crossover there is.
Hmm. Well, trance rather depends on the four-to-the-floor beat and a suitably hypnotic bassline for its trancey qualities, although psy trance makes plenty of detours for those brain-teasing moments. So you're looking at fast but accessible dance rhythms with syncopated and funky percussion on top, and fairly simple minor key melodies. As far as sounds go (as opposed to structure), I think psy trance is pretty 'intelligent'. The crazy sounds form a contrast with the predictability of the beat and the melodic figures. There aren't many experiences that compare with a nice psytrance party on a headful of LSD :-) If you want to check out some tracks, I recommend stuff by Nick Taylor/Andrew Till as the closest thing to IDM, their stuff is deliciously weird and quite eclectic. Individual tracks from Doof, Growling Mad Scientists, Hallucinogen, or Beast are also prime cuts. Lo-fi fans might enjoy Battle of the Future Buddhas, their stuff is rough but very enjoyable. Israeli trance is about the most formulaic and also the most melodic. Anyway, it's all good stuff when you want something pumping. Repetitive it may be, but it's not boring. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-16 02:27MarkMike Paradinas wrote: > ! I'm afraid whoever said some of my shit is poorly produced got i
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Mark
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Mike Paradinas , idm
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Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:27:54 -0700
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Re: [idm] Re: poor mixing production etc.
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Mike Paradinas wrote:
quoted 7 lines ! I'm afraid whoever said some of my shit is poorly produced got it> ! I'm afraid whoever said some of my shit is poorly produced got it > right. It is not that I don't care about the listener though. When I > created the said tracks (I've got a fair idea of what ones your on > about) I didn't have an audience in mind at all. I was just creating a > few things to amuse myself on the atari. When it comes time to make an > album, some of the "throwaway" (I hadn't thought much of them at the > time of recording) tracks have the most emotional resonance.
This is true, and don't get me wrong, the tracks that did have some of the poorer production are probably my favorite tracks on the album(s) [I am referring to both your last Muziq and Kid Spatula albums]. You are dead on.
quoted 9 lines Re-recording them "correctly" is futile: it loses the feeling (totally).> Re-recording them "correctly" is futile: it loses the feeling (totally). > Also a lot of my equipment was total shit, I didn't have any outboard > except for a delay pedal (no compresser or any dynamics, just the > 4-track with it's trims for compression) but that's verging on an > excuse. It's probably closer to the truth to say that my ears were > concentrating on the vibe rather than the production. "The Fear" track > is one which I can't even listen to now because it has those horrid > clips in the vocal sample, but when I rerecorded it I lost that > aforementioned vibe. So there U go.
That definitely explains it, as I assumed some of the tracks were plopped down on a pewt of some sort and sequenced, or sequenced from the getgo, which makes things very easy to manage. There's a lot of soft synth stuff out there (in the same texture zone as Jega, though not even near as talented, btw, sign Dylan for life... he's fucking brilliant) that just is lacking in mixing quality as well, and that can be rectified. No excuses.
quoted 4 lines For a more accurate picture of where my production lies at the moment> For a more accurate picture of where my production lies at the moment > you can get my most recent 12": Rude Ass Tinker - Imperial Break/Silk > Ties on Deathchant Records available from www.undergroundmusic.co.uk in > UK and majesticstore.com in US among others. Etc.
Got it already. Great hardcore to throw on while I'm smoking crack (that was figurative). That's a fucking great anagram alias, too. -mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-16 07:43Andrew Hime>--- Mike Paradinas <mu-ziq.planet.mu@virgin.net> wrote:> For a more accurate >picture of
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Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:43:11 -0500
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quoted 1 line --- Mike Paradinas <mu-ziq.planet.mu@virgin.net> wrote:> For a more>--- Mike Paradinas <mu-ziq.planet.mu@virgin.net> wrote:> For a more
accurate
quoted 7 lines picture of where my production lies at the moment>picture of where my production lies at the moment >> you can get my most recent 12": Rude Ass Tinker - Imperial Break/Silk >> Ties on Deathchant Records available from www.undergroundmusic.co.uk in >> UK and majesticstore.com in US among others. Etc. > >And those nice folks at masjesticstore describe it as: >"This tinker is ripping' up your insides and tweaking the old school
samples
quoted 1 line with the ultra harder faster style. The style that everyone can dig,>with the ultra harder faster style. The style that everyone can dig,
straight
quoted 1 line breaking' it down to the fullest and gutting you with that ill distort,>breaking' it down to the fullest and gutting you with that ill distort,
step
quoted 1 line off..">off.."
It was morning time for me, but isn't it out of stock there? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org