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from http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2707267,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01 which was posted earlier today here: "The industry doesn't want [MP3] pushed, and Microsoft and RealNetworks don't want it pushed. The consumer is going to eat what he's given," says David Farber, the former chief technologist at the Federal Communications Commission. Who the hell is this guy?? I can tell why he's the *former* chief technologist. cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now updated daily --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I would agree with him, actually. Considering that throughout time, people (read: general public) have responded pretty well to what is marketed to them, it is safe to assume that if mikrosopht decides that .wma files are the way to go (i.e. they're smaller, cleaner, and SAFER than mp3s), they will push it and make it the de-facto standard. Small subgroups will always have their own formats that they use. I know that phish concert-goers are very very keen on lossless compression, so they are into .sht files. And IDMers may be into 192KBPs mp3s. Who knows? Either way, if a company has the muscle to advertise and push a product, it seems that it will sell/people will buy it. ------------ though, on a side note, wma IS superior to mp3 in compression and sound quality. It's kind of disturbing that mikrosopht is behind it though, which is why I don't like it. :^/ There are bad things planned for our future of privacy, I'm sure (just read 2600 or /. ) mmmmhmm. I'm probably going to be ripped apart, but that is the IDM board. yaaay! john / pro(xy) http://www.themurphyfamilyonline.com/john / pro(xy) mp3s n gif art --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2707267,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews 01 here's an extract from the article... << The new restrictions in Windows XP won't prevent other vendors' software applications from recording MP3 music at a higher fidelity, but early testers of beta versions of Windows XP already complain that the most popular MP3 recording applications -- which compete with Microsoft's format -- don't seem to function properly, apparently because of changes Microsoft made to how data are written on CD-ROMs under Windows XP. Microsoft says that while other software vendors' products may not be "optimized" to run with Windows XP, those products should run acceptably with the operating system.

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What a load of bollox. how the fuck could the way data is written to CD's affect the reading & encoding of sound data? Unless microsoft has changed both the ASPI and the MSCDEX protocols (which would break tonnes of other software) then there isn't anything they can do to stop encoding. Even if they did, you could just sample the data from the wire connecting the sound card to the CD. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, john murphy wrote:

quoted 8 lines though, on a side note, wma IS superior to mp3 in compression and sound

> though, on a side note, wma IS superior to mp3 in compression and sound > quality. It's kind of disturbing that mikrosopht is behind it though, which > is why I don't like it. :^/ There are bad things planned for our future of > privacy, I'm sure (just read 2600 or /. ) > > mmmmhmm. > > I'm probably going to be ripped apart, but that is the IDM board. yaaay!

I don't have an issue with whether WMAs are better than Mp3s or vice versa.. (of course, folks here who have bought Mp3 file format dependent hardware might very well be troubled by this..), but that many BigBusiness'es are afraid of an "unprotected" music file format dominating the scene. Especially now, I trust Big Music Industry's intentions as much as I trust Weiland to give up smack once and for all... Which is all really silly, as net connections will probably improve within the next decade to allow folks to send uncompressed CD quality data over net lines anyway.... that is unless "they" have a problem with allowing that. This is all making me dizzy. Stop the ride... please. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

That shit's really disturbing. For a company like microsoft to limit what it's users can do, is completely fucked. That screws 80% of users and is quite telling what priority the people using their OS have to ms. okay everyone, Boycott microsoft... STAND UP FOR YOUR MP3's@!%!%#@ cdin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

well they're not limiting, they're just not providing. All the article really says is that they're going to push for support of their own format using their own products, which makes sense. Their products currently just play back mp3's, which they still will. They're actually adding features, by allowing windows media player to *make* mp3's, but at 56kbps so they sound pretty bad. And, you can still fully customize a Windows install so it only installs the basics. I just think it's funny that companies think that people will always use a standard that's provided by a big company, instead of the standard that's already being used by everyone else. Mac and Linux people aren't going to start using WMA any time soon :D They're still providing an OS with features; they're just trying to make people use their own software instead of install someone else's software. The claims that "the old stuff won't work" is valid with any new OS - not everything is backwards compatible. New ripping and encoding software will come out though, it just won't be supported by microsoft. But, as anyone who codes software knows, you don't need consent from the OS manufacturer to write software for their OS. cheers, /derek At 11:11 PM 4/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 15 lines That shit's really disturbing. For a company like microsoft to limit

> That shit's really disturbing. For a company like microsoft to limit > what it's >users can do, is completely fucked. That screws 80% of users and is quite >telling >what priority the people using their OS have to ms. okay everyone, Boycott >microsoft... > > STAND UP FOR YOUR MP3's@!%!%#@ > > cdin > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On 12 Apr 2001, at 23:28, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 2 lines I just think it's funny that companies think that people will

> I just think it's funny that companies think that people will > always use a standard that's provided by a big company

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Actually, I would have to disagree with you here. The article plainly states: ----- "Microsoft, for example, plans to severely limit the quality of music that can be recorded as an MP3 file. Why the eagerness to move consumers away from MP3? All the new music-software formats include technology known as digital-rights management, which can "lock" copyright-protected songs and make it harder for consumers to share that music illegally. " ----- I would definitely call that limiting. It's one thing for MS to employ their usual practice of trying to push their own standards, but it's a completely different thing when they are purposely crippling a particular technology. Couple that with the reasoning behind it; digital rights management - which has so far been unsuccesful (think liquid audio and sony's mp3 walkmans) and you have a company who is not *just* trying to add features and push it's own (WMA) technology but a company who is also trying to decide what you should and should not be doing with the music on your own computer. I would add as well that assuming that MP3's are *only* used for illegal filesharing is pretty narrowminded. I use it to backup tons of original music I create so that I can fit it onto a cd. A 1.5 gig uncompressed wav file fits pretty nicely as a 192k mp3 onto a cd. I can just as easily convert it back to wav when Im ready to splice it up or edit it with not much lost in the process which is simply not true for neither Real nor WMA. You gotta admit, MP3 is one helluva convenient format. There are tons of tools out there for encoding, decoding, converting, editing, streaming etc. from a myriad of companies whereas there are only a very small handful of tools available for Real and WMA and mostly from the companies themselves (more control). In addition I have a portable MP3 player as well as an MP3/CD hybrid player. I don't really think the WMA codec is all that great. It's certainly not as lossless as MP3 and the Real 8 codec is basically ATRAC which is minidisc and although I'm not ready to argue the point in my personal tests of three different Minidisc recorders I've found that basically you lose the highest of the highs and the lowest of the lows. I know this is a rant and I'm not trying to yell conspiracy here, but it really does bother me that Microsoft is going to release a new OS knowingly and purposely limiting a particular technology that is already a worldwide standard. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com Electronic Music For The Mind ----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <youn0394@umn.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [idm] mp3 competition

quoted 3 lines well they're not limiting, they're just not providing. All the article

> well they're not limiting, they're just not providing. All the article > really says is that they're going to push for support of their own format > using their own products, which makes sense. Their products currently

just

quoted 10 lines play back mp3's, which they still will. They're actually adding features,

> play back mp3's, which they still will. They're actually adding features, > by allowing windows media player to *make* mp3's, but at 56kbps so they > sound pretty bad. > > And, you can still fully customize a Windows install so it only installs > the basics. I just think it's funny that companies think that people will > always use a standard that's provided by a big company, instead of the > standard that's already being used by everyone else. Mac and Linux people > aren't going to start using WMA any time soon :D >

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On 12 Apr 2001, at 23:03, Static Beats wrote:

quoted 1 line (think liquid audio and sony's mp3 walkmans)

> (think liquid audio and sony's mp3 walkmans)

just a quick word here : my gadget-loving husband was recently mailed a fax advertising a cute little toy, and just had to order one... and it's quite brilliant! It's a Compro MP3 Spinner (MP3 Audio CD Player, MPCD-455) - bright electric blue and looks like any other recent portable disc player) and it's come in wonderfully handy, since I've just returned from a 5-day stay in hospital, and before going in, I made myself one CD-R comprising 117 floaty, drifty ambient MP3 tracks (from my collection) which came to a total of 11:20 hours (!!!). I basically needed to take along nothing else but this one CD-R, put it on random play, and lie there in a post-anaesthetic daze, letting Global Communication, Kenny Larkin and early Speedy J gently swoosh over me. Highly recommended. This same device was reviewed in our local SA Computer Magazine last month, and got very well rated on outstanding sound quality (it comes with rechargeable batteries as well as mains plug, and also has a line-out to play through your hi-fi system, and sounds really decent on headphones too). It was also handy to have around, since friends popped in to visit me, and brought along CD's to cheer me up, and I had the means to play them immediately without waiting to go home first. So I'd chime in here with "God bless technology" and wish you all a good holiday weekend. I * np : MuslimGauze - Occupied Territories --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I have one of these as well. The one I bought was made by Phillips and looks like your typical shitty cd player. It may be shitty looking but it brings me such joy :-) It seems like most people are willing to sacrifice storage space for size but I wouldn't got that route at all. Having 125 songs per disc is incredible, even better is the fact that what may look like a normal 10 cd wallet can now contain something like 1500 songs. I've taken mine to clubs and plugged it in and used it as a dj supplement, brought it on trips, plug it in at home so I don't have to have my computer running. It was only $200 which is cheaper than most of those 64 mg deals. I can't imagine having a large library of mp3s and only being able to listen to 64 mgs at a time, that would just suck. Anyway, the next step up is one of those portable harddrive thingies that hold 12 gigs, they're pretty expensive but the upside is that you can use it as a portable storage device as well, so if you're at a friends house and he offers you a large and tasty 200 mg folder full of porn you can just pop it onto your mp3 playa! -----Original Message----- From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:16 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] mp3 discman On 12 Apr 2001, at 23:03, Static Beats wrote:

quoted 1 line (think liquid audio and sony's mp3 walkmans)

> (think liquid audio and sony's mp3 walkmans)

just a quick word here : my gadget-loving husband was recently mailed a fax advertising a cute little toy, and just had to order one... and it's quite brilliant! It's a Compro MP3 Spinner (MP3 Audio CD Player, MPCD-455) - bright electric blue and looks like any other recent portable disc player) and it's come in wonderfully handy, since I've just returned from a 5-day stay in hospital, and before going in, I made myself one CD-R comprising 117 floaty, drifty ambient MP3 tracks (from my collection) which came to a total of 11:20 hours (!!!). I basically needed to take along nothing else but this one CD-R, put it on random play, and lie there in a post-anaesthetic daze, letting Global Communication, Kenny Larkin and early Speedy J gently swoosh over me. Highly recommended. This same device was reviewed in our local SA Computer Magazine last month, and got very well rated on outstanding sound quality (it comes with rechargeable batteries as well as mains plug, and also has a line-out to play through your hi-fi system, and sounds really decent on headphones too). It was also handy to have around, since friends popped in to visit me, and brought along CD's to cheer me up, and I had the means to play them immediately without waiting to go home first. So I'd chime in here with "God bless technology" and wish you all a good holiday weekend. I * np : MuslimGauze - Occupied Territories --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Actually, if you read the article further, it clarifies that they're onliy limiting the MP3-creation capabilities of their own included software. There's no way they can keep you from installing another company's software to make hi-quality MP3s. All this means is that people who never download or install software other than "what comes in the box" are not going to be able to make hi-quality MP3s. And since I don't think any of the people involved in MP3s so far uses MS software to do it, I don't think this will really affect the scene much at all, at least for a few years, and who can tell what the world will be like a few years from now? -adam

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Static Beats [mailto:static@staticbeats.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:04 AM > To: EggyToast > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] mp3 competition > > > Actually, I would have to disagree with you here. The article plainly > states: > ----- > "Microsoft, for example, plans to severely limit the quality of music that > can be recorded as an MP3 file. > > Why the eagerness to move consumers away from MP3? > > All the new music-software formats include technology known as > digital-rights management, which can "lock" copyright-protected songs and > make it harder for consumers to share that music illegally. " > ----- > > I would definitely call that limiting. It's one thing for MS to > employ their > usual practice of trying to push their own standards, but it's a > completely > different thing when they are purposely crippling a particular technology. > Couple that with the reasoning behind it; digital rights > management - which > has so far been unsuccesful (think liquid audio and sony's mp3 > walkmans) and > you have a company who is not *just* trying to add features and push it's > own (WMA) technology but a company who is also trying to decide what you > should and should not be doing with the music on your own computer. > > I would add as well that assuming that MP3's are *only* used for illegal > filesharing is pretty narrowminded. I use it to backup tons of original > music I create so that I can fit it onto a cd. A 1.5 gig uncompressed wav > file fits pretty nicely as a 192k mp3 onto a cd. > I can just as easily convert it back to wav when Im ready to > splice it up or > edit it with not much lost in the process which is simply not true for > neither Real nor WMA. You gotta admit, MP3 is one helluva > convenient format. > There are tons of tools out there for encoding, decoding, converting, > editing, streaming etc. from a myriad of companies whereas there > are only a > very small handful of tools available for Real and WMA and mostly from the > companies themselves (more control). > > In addition I have a portable MP3 player as well as an MP3/CD > hybrid player. > I don't really think the WMA codec is all that great. It's > certainly not as > lossless as MP3 and the Real 8 codec is basically ATRAC which is minidisc > and although I'm not ready to argue the point in my personal > tests of three > different Minidisc recorders I've found that basically you lose > the highest > of the highs and the lowest of the lows. > > I know this is a rant and I'm not trying to yell conspiracy here, but it > really does bother me that Microsoft is going to release a new OS > knowingly > and purposely limiting a particular technology that is already a worldwide > standard. > > > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music For The Mind > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EggyToast" <youn0394@umn.edu> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] mp3 competition > > > > well they're not limiting, they're just not providing. All the article > > really says is that they're going to push for support of their > own format > > using their own products, which makes sense. Their products currently > just > > play back mp3's, which they still will. They're actually > adding features, > > by allowing windows media player to *make* mp3's, but at 56kbps so they > > sound pretty bad. > > > > And, you can still fully customize a Windows install so it only installs > > the basics. I just think it's funny that companies think that > people will > > always use a standard that's provided by a big company, instead of the > > standard that's already being used by everyone else. Mac and > Linux people > > aren't going to start using WMA any time soon :D > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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--- Adam Piontek <damek@earthling.net> wrote:

quoted 6 lines All this means is that people who never download or install software other

> All this means is that people who never download or install software other > than "what comes in the box" are not going to be able to make hi-quality > MP3s. And since I don't think any of the people involved in MP3s so far > uses MS software to do it, I don't think this will really affect the scene > much at all, at least for a few years, and who can tell what the world will > be like a few years from now?

Make or *listen* to MP3s, windows will probably pull decoding support for MP3s from their native OS, reducing the number of listeners. The new IE 6 beta, has mediaplayer built into the browser, currently it supports mp3s, but for how long? M$ like the big labels are in the business of making money, not of offering choice, thats for people like us to do. I predict that in the future we will "listen" to music held in some organic matter, like a licking a wooden stick or something "Mama come here quick, gimme some of that lickin' stick!" -i __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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> -----Original Message----- > From: interdit@yahoo.com [mailto:interdit@yahoo.com] > > I predict that in the future we will "listen" to music held in > some organic > matter, like a licking a wooden stick or something > > "Mama come here quick, gimme some of that lickin' stick!"

given the great advances in artificial flavor and other chemical sciences in the past century, I'm surprised "taste art" hasn't sprung up somewhere. Like edible paintings for the tongue! A new sense opened up to artistic expression! Oh, wait, no I'm not surprised. nevermind --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Adam Piontek wrote:

quoted 4 lines given the great advances in artificial flavor and other chemical sciences in

> given the great advances in artificial flavor and other chemical sciences in > the past century, I'm surprised "taste art" hasn't sprung up somewhere. > Like edible paintings for the tongue! A new sense opened up to artistic > expression!

Hmm, ask Alain Ducasse about that... -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

How useful are these things in terms of playing a whole album in the correct track order from a CD-R(W) full of MP3s? Because I have all of my CDs converted to MP3 format and recorded to CD-R's. It would be nice to be able to carry around one CD for 7 or 8 albums rather than 7 or 8 separate CDs, but it seems like the current crop of MP3-CD players aren't very good at finding specific tracks or playlisting. I've heard about a couple of "next-gen" MP3-CD players that can playlist or search for tracks, but they're more expensive. And besides, considering that there's that MiniDisc-only label now, and they're releasing a MD of material from Proem in the near future, I think I need to set aside some money to buy a MiniDisc player/recorder in the near future. BTW, any suggestions for a cheap MD recorder that can easily play and record audio from my computer? i.e., not just a microphone built-in, but a line-in jack or some such? Or should I just get a cheap player so I can play MD's but continue using CDs for regular playback and storage...?

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Adesh Deosaran [mailto:adeosaran@plumbdesign.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:58 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] mp3 discman > > > I have one of these as well. The one I bought was made by > Phillips and looks > like your typical shitty cd player. It may be shitty looking > but it brings > me such joy :-) > It seems like most people are willing to sacrifice storage > space for size > but I wouldn't got that route at all. Having 125 songs per disc is > incredible, even better is the fact that what may look like a > normal 10 cd > wallet can now contain something like 1500 songs. > I've taken mine to clubs and plugged it in and used it as a > dj supplement, > brought it on trips, plug it in at home so I don't have to > have my computer > running. It was only $200 which is cheaper than most of those > 64 mg deals. I > can't imagine having a large library of mp3s and only being > able to listen > to 64 mgs at a time, that would just suck. > > Anyway, the next step up is one of those portable harddrive > thingies that > hold 12 gigs, they're pretty expensive but the upside is that > you can use it > as a portable storage device as well, so if you're at a > friends house and he > offers you a large and tasty 200 mg folder full of porn you > can just pop it > onto your mp3 playa! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:16 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] mp3 discman > > > On 12 Apr 2001, at 23:03, Static Beats wrote: > > > (think liquid audio and sony's mp3 walkmans) > > just a quick word here : my gadget-loving husband was recently > mailed a fax advertising a cute little toy, and just had to > order one... > and it's quite brilliant! > > It's a Compro MP3 Spinner (MP3 Audio CD Player, MPCD-455) - > bright electric blue and looks like any other recent portable disc > player) and it's come in wonderfully handy, since I've just returned > from a 5-day stay in hospital, and before going in, I made myself > one CD-R comprising 117 floaty, drifty ambient MP3 tracks (from my > collection) which came to a total of 11:20 hours (!!!). I basically > needed to take along nothing else but this one CD-R, put it on > random play, and lie there in a post-anaesthetic daze, letting Global > Communication, Kenny Larkin and early Speedy J gently swoosh > over me. Highly recommended. > > This same device was reviewed in our local SA Computer Magazine > last month, and got very well rated on outstanding sound quality (it > comes with rechargeable batteries as well as mains plug, and also > has a line-out to play through your hi-fi system, and sounds really > decent on headphones too). > > It was also handy to have around, since friends popped in to visit > me, and brought along CD's to cheer me up, and I had the means to > play them immediately without waiting to go home first.

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can anyone reccomend a good mp3 recorde?- I would get a minidisc- but I'd rather just record into mp3 format- no moving parts, and nothing too dinky. thanks ya'll -----Original Message----- From: damek@earthling.net [mailto:damek@earthling.net] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:17 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] mp3 discman How useful are these things in terms of playing a whole album in the correct track order from a CD-R(W) full of MP3s? Because I have all of my CDs converted to MP3 format and recorded to CD-R's. It would be nice to be able to carry around one CD for 7 or 8 albums rather than 7 or 8 separate CDs, but it seems like the current crop of MP3-CD players aren't very good at finding specific tracks or playlisting. I've heard about a couple of "next-gen" MP3-CD players that can playlist or search for tracks, but they're more expensive. And besides, considering that there's that MiniDisc-only label now, and they're releasing a MD of material from Proem in the near future, I think I need to set aside some money to buy a MiniDisc player/recorder in the near future. BTW, any suggestions for a cheap MD recorder that can easily play and record audio from my computer? i.e., not just a microphone built-in, but a line-in jack or some such? Or should I just get a cheap player so I can play MD's but continue using CDs for regular playback and storage...?

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Adesh Deosaran [mailto:adeosaran@plumbdesign.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:58 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] mp3 discman > > > I have one of these as well. The one I bought was made by > Phillips and looks > like your typical shitty cd player. It may be shitty looking > but it brings > me such joy :-) > It seems like most people are willing to sacrifice storage > space for size > but I wouldn't got that route at all. Having 125 songs per disc is > incredible, even better is the fact that what may look like a > normal 10 cd > wallet can now contain something like 1500 songs. > I've taken mine to clubs and plugged it in and used it as a > dj supplement, > brought it on trips, plug it in at home so I don't have to > have my computer > running. It was only $200 which is cheaper than most of those > 64 mg deals. I > can't imagine having a large library of mp3s and only being > able to listen > to 64 mgs at a time, that would just suck. > > Anyway, the next step up is one of those portable harddrive > thingies that > hold 12 gigs, they're pretty expensive but the upside is that > you can use it > as a portable storage device as well, so if you're at a > friends house and he > offers you a large and tasty 200 mg folder full of porn you > can just pop it > onto your mp3 playa! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:16 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] mp3 discman > > > On 12 Apr 2001, at 23:03, Static Beats wrote: > > > (think liquid audio and sony's mp3 walkmans) > > just a quick word here : my gadget-loving husband was recently > mailed a fax advertising a cute little toy, and just had to > order one... > and it's quite brilliant! > > It's a Compro MP3 Spinner (MP3 Audio CD Player, MPCD-455) - > bright electric blue and looks like any other recent portable disc > player) and it's come in wonderfully handy, since I've just returned > from a 5-day stay in hospital, and before going in, I made myself > one CD-R comprising 117 floaty, drifty ambient MP3 tracks (from my > collection) which came to a total of 11:20 hours (!!!). I basically > needed to take along nothing else but this one CD-R, put it on > random play, and lie there in a post-anaesthetic daze, letting Global > Communication, Kenny Larkin and early Speedy J gently swoosh > over me. Highly recommended. > > This same device was reviewed in our local SA Computer Magazine > last month, and got very well rated on outstanding sound quality (it > comes with rechargeable batteries as well as mains plug, and also > has a line-out to play through your hi-fi system, and sounds really > decent on headphones too). > > It was also handy to have around, since friends popped in to visit > me, and brought along CD's to cheer me up, and I had the means to > play them immediately without waiting to go home first.

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I just got the Rio Volt, which is a mp3/wma cd player. doesn't burn CDs (which would be *kickass*) but it does let me gather all my daily soulseek downloads on one CD and listen to them going back home from work. Great sound quality and cheap (150$), the only problem I have with it is the occasional skip when I'm walking with the thing. hopefully they'll fix that through a future flash upgrade. cheers, nir ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Fahey" <Chris.Fahey@raremedium.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: RE: [idm] mp3 discman

quoted 5 lines This is the bomb.

> This is the bomb. > > http://www.sonystyle.com/sonystyle/4621/4685/4692/8832.default.html > > Sony makes a portable CD-RW drive for laptops (USB based) that also

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quoted 12 lines as a portable MP3-CD player.

> as a portable MP3-CD player. > > That's right, you burn your CDs on the same little box that you play them > on. I wish I had $400. > > -Cf > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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