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hey to all: as a nyc (well across-the-river-nj) resident, thought i'd chime in with my own take regarding the myriad record stores in our fine city (funny, as this came up in discussion with fellow record scavengers just last night) ...

quoted 6 lines R. Lim wrote:

> R. Lim wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 Gaiatekztur214@aol.com wrote: > > > kim's-staple of the village..good for general music browsing...idm > > selection is lacking prolly but most well known titles in stock >

>>Kim's stocks IDM that's not carried by Forced Exposure, unlike Other Music >>(more or less). Last time I was at Etherea, they had very little electronic stuff at all >>(most notably missing in backstock). This might have changed in the last >>year or year and a half, though. Either way, I'm still mourning the loss of Adult Crash. never knew of adult crash (probably there when i was still an arizona resident), but the loss of strange left a definite hole fer shoore. in any event, the apple has come a long way over the years. i can remember during the 80s when there was a virtual nonexistence of indie record stores (let alone those that specialized in electronic/dance/whatever stuff), save for 'rocks in your head' and 'lunch for your ears' (the latter is history, the former still around but essentially worthless). 'downtown music gallery' has been around for some time, and although i like bruce a lot personally and respect his shop immensely, unfortunately he caters to the free jazz/prog crowd more than to electronica (but he soldiers mightily on so more power to him). currently, the pickings _seem_ slim, but diligence should be always be the order of the day when one is searching endless used bins filled with discards. 'other music', though now world-known for its fairly up-to-date selection, still remains a little overpriced (although their new stuff is usually a buck or two less than kims st.marks), and their used selection doesn't turn over too rapidly. of course, there are the occasional jewels to be found there, and if your eye roams freely enough, you can spy their cheapie $2 boxes (sitting below the jazz/used shelf unit)-found some amazing stuff in there over the years, including most of the noise museum back catalog and incoming! things i didn't have, and the hideously obscure radioactive lamb (on gpr). however, 'other' is a cool enough specialist store that needs to remain for the good of the scene(s). anyone would've _killed_ for such a store to be around, say, circa 1987 (where it would have died a quick death). catch it on a good week and you'll clean up (keep deep pockets). kims also manages to scare up a goodly amount of used as well-if you go in on the right night. those racks are gone over and over throughout the day, so timing becomes critical (of course, there's no way of knowing how and when, although friday nights and saturdays often yield goodies)-just recently acquired some new mille plateaux used, plus some worm interface comps. and their dollar cd racks (hidden by the stairway) have done well for me over the years, too-be sure to check those shelves out before you leave the store. st.marks shouldn't be written off that easily, either. 'sounds' (just about next door to kims) will occasionally turn up stuff (the large used store up stairs, not the small outlet at street level)-i've found obscure disko b and djax up beats discs there for $3.99. 'joes' (right across from kims) is even better-good friend of mine is one of the managers there, and he has personally made both stores into serious outfits for electronica (both used and new). virtually no one carried anything on the elektrolux and mole listening pearl labels (except for maybe virgin, or throb, and at exorbitant prices)...until now, that is. you can find pretty much every back title of both those labels there now, some of which turns up used (promo or otherwise). and the used store also benefits from a large series of $2.99 shelves that can sometimes yield finds that'll rock your sox (found flare's 'reference to difference' and gas' 'zauberberg' there years ago, being two notable examples). 'venus' (right next door to 'joes') doesn't have much, but they now have a basement filled with $1 goodies that results in the odd gem here and there. down the same side of the street, you can pretty much forget about 'smash'-except when they put their $4.45 cd bins out on weekends (fri night-sun). generally what will turn up is not only rare used, but also quality new promos (examples: recent matmos, mount florida full-length, microstoria, retina {on hefty}) in original packaging...and wha' the 'ell, the price is right. you gotta go through a bunch of bins on a dirty sidewalk, but, hey, who said life was easy? so what's left? 'breakbeat science'..., yes, good d'n'b shop, but little in the way of used. 'etherea' is terrific and the staff generally fairly knowledgable, but, yes their inventory doesn't change _that_ radically...however, they still have generally the best prices on new stuff in town (usually $2-4 cheaper than 'other' or 'kims')...used section is small, but stuff shows up, and the vinyl selection is top notch. 'temple' remains perhaps _the_ mecca for vinyl...and being arranged by label means they are on top of pretty much everything happenin' at the moment (owned and operated by khan...although i think he might have sold his ownership since they just relocated)...nevertheless, if you want it on 12", 'temple' is where you worship at (and their modest cd section ain't half bad either...kinda pricey, but interesting...picked up the phenomenal pineapple circle full-length there last year). 'throb' is also is an excellent shop for vinyl and their cd selection is good, but pricey...however, the staff there is excellent and very accomodating...with their multiple listening stations, they make all the stuff in the shop available to you...as is the same with 'sonic groove', again more noted for vinyl than discs, but good staff and decent depth of catalog holds them in good stead. 'normans' doesn't specialize in electronica, but their new section is okay, and their used (downstairs) sometimes offers up the odd find. so, aside from the big outlets (tower, virgin, et al), that covers most of what da apple has to offer. i may have left some out (there's a few shops uptown, but most are nil when it comes to electronica), but the above should keep any visitor happy for an hour or six. so who says there's slim pickings here...? n-joy! cheers, darren b

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quoted 4 lines so, aside from the big outlets (tower, virgin, et al), that covers most of

> so, aside from the big outlets (tower, virgin, et al), that covers most of > what da apple has to offer. i may have left some out (there's a few shops > uptown, but most are nil when it comes to electronica), but the above should > keep any visitor happy for an hour or six.

Damn, you covered virtually everything, except for... S A T E L L I T E ! ! ! Ok, not really that IDM... but I know there are plenty of trance, house, techno, disco, and progressive headz on this list. They just moved their store about 4 blocks south on Bowery (just south of Houston), and their vinyl collection is second to none in the above categories. You have to see it to believe it. The store is HUGE (about twice the size of Temple), and is literally filled from top to bottom with the freshest cuts. They have about 18 or so turntables too, so you never have to wait to preview stuff. Like I said, you're not going to find much IDM there... it's essentially a mainstream club kid store, but well worth it just to gawk in amazement at the selection. -- jr --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines Damn, you covered virtually everything, except for...

>Damn, you covered virtually everything, except for... > > S A T E L L I T E ! ! !

hells yeah. there's one here in atlanta, too. tho of course ours is much smaller. also, if you like jungle and whatnot www.breakbeatscience.com has a nice selection and good prices from what i'm told. erica --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Id suggest breakbeat, definately. But satellite in ny, to me, was always really disorganized, small and crowded. If you asked some one where something was they never knew and just pointed in a general direction. If you know what you are looking for I suggest Sonic Groove, but dont go in there knowing nothing at all. It seems if you know what you are talking about the staff is eager to help you, otherwise they'll send u to the CD shop next door. Kim's and temple were always my faves though. d -----Original Message----- From: Erica A. Mitchell [mailto:eamitch@learnlink.emory.edu] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:59 PM To: guyjr@gt.ed.net Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC guyjr@gt.ed.net writes:

quoted 3 lines Damn, you covered virtually everything, except for...

>Damn, you covered virtually everything, except for... > > S A T E L L I T E ! ! !

hells yeah. there's one here in atlanta, too. tho of course ours is much smaller. also, if you like jungle and whatnot www.breakbeatscience.com has a nice selection and good prices from what i'm told. erica --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

man sattelite records can kiss my ass. I ordered like ten records online from them,and they only sent me half, and what they did send me were beat up floor copies with fucked up sleeves and scratches all over them. It doesnt seem like they carry or at least stock a lot of idm, but im sure its a great resource for "Progressive trance" which they have pages on pages of listed on thier website. Its like they saw my adresse and were like "oh heres some yokle from New Mexico, he wont notice if we send him this gescom record that larry dropped and stepped on last week..." I think forced exp. or bent crayon is a better bet lucky I dont have to mail order records no more, now that im in San Fran... --- Diana Potts <diapot@allmusic.com> wrote:

quoted 43 lines Id suggest breakbeat, definately. But satellite in

> Id suggest breakbeat, definately. But satellite in > ny, to me, was always > really disorganized, small and crowded. If you asked > some one where > something was they never knew and just pointed in a > general direction. If > you know what you are looking for I suggest Sonic > Groove, but dont go in > there knowing nothing at all. It seems if you know > what you are talking > about the staff is eager to help you, otherwise > they'll send u to the CD > shop next door. > > Kim's and temple were always my faves though. > > d > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erica A. Mitchell > [mailto:eamitch@learnlink.emory.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:59 PM > To: guyjr@gt.ed.net > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC > > > guyjr@gt.ed.net writes: > >Damn, you covered virtually everything, except > for... > > > > S A T E L L I T E ! ! ! > hells yeah. there's one here in atlanta, too. tho of > course ours is much > smaller. > also, if you like jungle and whatnot > www.breakbeatscience.com has a nice selection and > good prices from what > i'm told. > erica > Man > >

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Although it's been a while since I've been there, Throb records on 14th and 3rd has a great selection of idm (they call it 'braindance'. Also tons of psi - trance and just about all other kinds of electronica. They are actually pleasant to deal with to boot. Check out Throb.com / or call (212) 533 - 2328 ----- Original Message ----- From: "p.lasell" <p_lasell@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC

quoted 40 lines i think sonic groove is great, not sure what you

> i think sonic groove is great, not sure what you > were asking for, but i always find interesting stuff > there. regarding the staff, yeah, maybe they were > having a bad day. for sheer record quantity however, > the new satillite is mindblowing. they moved down > a few blocks from their previous bowery address, and > now the have a supermarket of vinyl. while i think > the selection at sonic groove is better for techno, > satillite has tons of nujazz, house, and all the > psytrance i know you love. > > --------------------------------------------------- > you would if you couldn't find something out on the > floor, asked a > salesperson, and got a response like "oh, i think we > have that, ask > so-and-so over there. he can get it from the stock > room." then that > person > coudln't help you, etc. > > if you can't think to ask for something that *isn't > out* on the floor, > that's your problem. > > ===== > Peter Lasell - CTRL Design > www.abattoir.com/~flint/ > san francisco | brooklyn > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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For NYC i suggest Etherea Records, its on Avenue B, just a few blocks away from Temple. Etherea had the best selection of records i have ever seen in a record store this side of the Atlantic bye rotkin.te (the_desig) "respect" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

etherea is the best for new idm- Kim's rocks the used bargains- usually has new stuff at fractional prices. For everyone nationwide- goto www.safetyinnumbers.net- this is the major IDM distributor for New York- and you can order online. -----Original Message----- From: Rotkin te (the_desig) [mailto:red_shift_x7@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 2:08 PM To: generentropy@yahoo.com; diapot@allmusic.com; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC For NYC i suggest Etherea Records, its on Avenue B, just a few blocks away from Temple. Etherea had the best selection of records i have ever seen in a record store this side of the Atlantic bye rotkin.te (the_desig) "respect" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i'm gonna take this opportunity to discourage people from shopping at sonic grooves. i went in there looking for specific things (see below) and NO ONE working there was of any help. whatsoever. with anything. i'm not gonna go into detail, but if there is anything i cannot stand it is an unhelpful sales staff that acts like they don't have the time or inclination to help anyone. i basically got bustled between two or three guys who worked there, all of whom displayed an equal amount of ineptitude. i know several people on this list have spoken positively of this store in the past, and maybe i just walked in a bad time (which i doubt), but i will never waste my time stopping at their shop again. it was a sad sad display. and i must discourage others from wasting their time as well. kim's is a good shop. and i've heard many good things about etheria(sp) on ave a(?)as well. too bad you missed out on when safety in numbers had a shop! that was nice. just my 2 cents... mike

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>From: "Diana Potts" <diapot@allmusic.com> >To: "Idm@Hyperreal. Org" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:07:04 -0400 > >Id suggest breakbeat, definately. But satellite in ny, to me, was always >really disorganized, small and crowded. If you asked some one where >something was they never knew and just pointed in a general direction. If >you know what you are looking for I suggest Sonic Groove, but dont go in >there knowing nothing at all. It seems if you know what you are talking >about the staff is eager to help you, otherwise they'll send u to the CD >shop next door. > >Kim's and temple were always my faves though. > >d > >-----Original Message----- >From: Erica A. Mitchell [mailto:eamitch@learnlink.emory.edu] >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:59 PM >To: guyjr@gt.ed.net >Cc: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC > > >guyjr@gt.ed.net writes: > >Damn, you covered virtually everything, except for... > > > > S A T E L L I T E ! ! ! >hells yeah. there's one here in atlanta, too. tho of course ours is much >smaller. >also, if you like jungle and whatnot >www.breakbeatscience.com has a nice selection and good prices from what >i'm told. >erica > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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you would if you couldn't find something out on the floor, asked a salesperson, and got a response like "oh, i think we have that, ask so-and-so over there. he can get it from the stock room." then that person coudln't help you, etc. if you can't think to ask for something that *isn't out* on the floor, that's your problem.

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>From: "_DipfthonG_" <kam@columbus.rr.com> >To: "mike _findemnflee" <findemnflee@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:22:30 -0400 > >i don't need help in a record store, can't relate. > >sonic groove is the bomb. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: mike _findemnflee <findemnflee@hotmail.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:37 PM >Subject: RE: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC > > > > i'm gonna take this opportunity to discourage people from shopping at >sonic > > grooves. i went in there looking for specific things (see below) and NO >ONE > > working there was of any help. whatsoever. with anything. i'm not >gonna > > go into detail, but if there is anything i cannot stand it is an >unhelpful > > sales staff that acts like they don't have the time or inclination to >help > > anyone. i basically got bustled between two or three guys who worked >there, > > all of whom displayed an equal amount of ineptitude. i know several >people > > on this list have spoken positively of this store in the past, and maybe >i > > just walked in a bad time (which i doubt), but i will never waste my >time > > stopping at their shop again. it was a sad sad display. and i must > > discourage others from wasting their time as well. > > > > kim's is a good shop. and i've heard many good things about etheria(sp) >on > > ave a(?)as well. too bad you missed out on when safety in numbers had a > > shop! that was nice. > > > > just my 2 cents... > > mike > > > > > > >From: "Diana Potts" <diapot@allmusic.com> > > >To: "Idm@Hyperreal. Org" <idm@hyperreal.org> > > >Subject: RE: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC > > >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:07:04 -0400 > > > > > >Id suggest breakbeat, definately. But satellite in ny, to me, was >always > > >really disorganized, small and crowded. If you asked some one where > > >something was they never knew and just pointed in a general direction. >If > > >you know what you are looking for I suggest Sonic Groove, but dont go >in > > >there knowing nothing at all. It seems if you know what you are talking > > >about the staff is eager to help you, otherwise they'll send u to the >CD > > >shop next door. > > > > > >Kim's and temple were always my faves though. > > > > > >d > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Erica A. Mitchell [mailto:eamitch@learnlink.emory.edu] > > >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:59 PM > > >To: guyjr@gt.ed.net > > >Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: Re(2): [idm] record stores in NYC > > > > > > > > >guyjr@gt.ed.net writes: > > > >Damn, you covered virtually everything, except for... > > > > > > > > S A T E L L I T E ! ! ! > > >hells yeah. there's one here in atlanta, too. tho of course ours is >much > > >smaller. > > >also, if you like jungle and whatnot > > >www.breakbeatscience.com has a nice selection and good prices from what > > >i'm told. > > >erica > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, mike _findemnflee wrote:

quoted 4 lines you would if you couldn't find something out on the floor, asked a

> you would if you couldn't find something out on the floor, asked a > salesperson, and got a response like "oh, i think we have that, ask > so-and-so over there. he can get it from the stock room." then that person > coudln't help you, etc.

Well, if it's not on the floor, chances are they don't have it anywhere accessible. I suppose you might get a response similar to the one you described if you saw some rare stuff listed as available on their website (via their DB search engine) and went in there asking for it. Not saying that this is what you did, but they've always been very helpful to me. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org