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old LPs and 45s dug out of the bins at your favorite used record merchant. anything else would be uncivilised. -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, _DipthonG_ wrote:

quoted 12 lines Speaking of funk...

> Speaking of funk... > > Anyone know where one can aquire High quality > Breakbeats, drum, samples etc...???????? > > any help would be greatly appeciated. > 4real. > > > feel [~] free > >

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On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:27:18AM -0500, _DipthonG_ wrote:

quoted 4 lines Speaking of funk...

> Speaking of funk... > > Anyone know where one can aquire High quality > Breakbeats, drum, samples etc...????????

Jordana (formerly 1.8.7.) used to have a good collection of them somewhere online... She moved to jordana.co.uk but now that doesn't seem to be working... I'd look for those, though. There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have some decent stuff, but they're somewhat lacking. Just do a search for "amen hotpants paris apache soul pride" and something should turn up. :) -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 5 lines There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have some

> There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have some > decent stuff, but they're somewhat lacking. > > Just do a search for "amen hotpants paris apache soul pride" and > something should turn up. :)

Let me just take this moment and declare what I think the 4 best breaks are: 1) Amen (duh) 2) Soul Pride (try to find the really long, like, 8 bar version) 3) Firefight 4) Bell Stomp (aka The Worm) The only breaks you'll ever need. -andrew -- ----=Urbana Youth Outreach=---- ========-White Rabbits-======== -----------+Dasein+------------ http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 http://www.eupholus.net/ "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so overused? ah we already had the big Amen discussion but my theory is that the less used the break the better .... for the longest time i was using the line from the beginning of 'La La Love You' by the Pixies in my stuff sliced up really choppy recently i've scored excellent breaks from a variety of records that nobody else would touch ... some live elvis stuff, Deodato, weather report, lou rawls... not gonna name all my sources but suckas gotta stop playing out the Ultimate Breaks N Beats records before i go crazy. not that i'm not guilty or anything... basically stick to your 1970's funk and you can't go wrong ... -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, %andrew wrote:

quoted 37 lines <Someone said something along these lines...>

> <Someone said something along these lines...> > > > There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have some > > decent stuff, but they're somewhat lacking. > > > > Just do a search for "amen hotpants paris apache soul pride" and > > something should turn up. :) > > Let me just take this moment and declare what I think the 4 best breaks > are: > > 1) Amen (duh) > 2) Soul Pride (try to find the really long, like, 8 bar version) > 3) Firefight > 4) Bell Stomp (aka The Worm) > > The only breaks you'll ever need. > > -andrew > > -- > ----=Urbana Youth Outreach=---- > ========-White Rabbits-======== > -----------+Dasein+------------ > http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ > > Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 > http://www.eupholus.net/ > > "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 9 lines Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:52:03 -0600 (CST)

> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:52:03 -0600 (CST) > From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> > To: %andrew <asmith@konfused.net> > Cc: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>, idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] the Breaks > > except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so > overused? ah we already had the big Amen discussion but my theory is that > the less used the break the better ....

Ok, this is just stupid. I don't give a fuck how many jungle ruffnecks have used a break. My assessment of breaks is based solely on how I can use it, and how versatile it is. The tone of the drums, and the overall feel mean more than "oooh! look how IDM I am, I sampled a break from some an Elvis track". blah blah blah. It's the same thing with 808/909 sounds. Yes, everyone and their mom uses 909 samples, but why and how? 99% of the stuff I hear with 808/909 samples uses them in a really boring way, but there's that special 1% that really makes me turn my head. That, to me, is much more artistic and impressive: to take a sound that many people know and do something totally new and fresh with it. -andrew

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> -- > String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, %andrew wrote: > > > <Someone said something along these lines...> > > > > > There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have some > > > decent stuff, but they're somewhat lacking. > > > > > > Just do a search for "amen hotpants paris apache soul pride" and > > > something should turn up. :) > > > > Let me just take this moment and declare what I think the 4 best breaks > > are: > > > > 1) Amen (duh) > > 2) Soul Pride (try to find the really long, like, 8 bar version) > > 3) Firefight > > 4) Bell Stomp (aka The Worm) > > > > The only breaks you'll ever need. > > > > -andrew > > > > -- > > ----=Urbana Youth Outreach=---- > > ========-White Rabbits-======== > > -----------+Dasein+------------ > > http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ > > > > Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 > > http://www.eupholus.net/ > > > > "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >

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quoted 7 lines except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so

>> except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so >> overused? ah we already had the big Amen discussion but my theory is that >> the less used the break the better .... > >Ok, this is just stupid. I don't give a fuck how many jungle ruffnecks >have used a break. My assessment of breaks is based solely on how I can >use it, and how versatile it is. The tone of the drums, and the overall

i agree. moreover i have to wonder: is this an indictment of guys like plug, animals on wheels, squarepusher, vat? they've all used the amen, and to awesome effect imo. none of them let the historical "baggage" of amen, paris, whatever get in the way of making good tunes. if anything they used the break to turn some of the more conservative facets of dnb on it's ears. much of the plug series is like a hilarious inside joke to me, but the real punchline is that the tunes are top. the early Rephlex movement used to call for the end of the 909 and 808. how do i reconcile that with d'arcangelo (sp), like a tim, and other Rephlex artists who have since used these instruments? could it be that their original assessment of the situation was made in the heat of the moment (during the deluge of early 90's 'ardcore and pop-techno), and that maybe they rethought their politic? maybe a drum machine wasn't the enemy. . .maybe it's usage was. convictions made convicts. if you don't like the sound of it, fine. maybe it sounds like ass to you. but if you allow the fact that the sound has been "overused" (a loaded and subjective word no doubt) to keep you from using it then you're doing yourself a real disservice in the songwriting department imo. a whole lot of crap has been made on just about every instrument imaginable. besides, in these post-post-post-post-modern times isn't a little stylistic nod fun now and again? i missed the amen discussion, but i've felt it's resonances ever since i subbed. sad to hear that autechre-styled prog rock is in style but the amen is not. i can't make heads or tails of that thinking, personally. disclaimer: i am an old raver. a "jungle ruffneck" if you will. the sound of a properly mashed amen is like, well, music to my ears. thusly jeff explains himself right out of the discussion :) -jeff ------------ 1642 try 621 ------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:52:03PM -0600, Josh Davison wrote:

quoted 5 lines except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so

> except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so > overused? ah we already had the big Amen discussion but my theory is that > the less used the break the better .... for the longest time i was using > the line from the beginning of 'La La Love You' by the Pixies in my stuff > sliced up really choppy

Well, I wouldn't say "the less used the better." Admittdely, the uncut amen has been overused, but this doesn't mean that if I take a break from a Raffi record it's going to necessarily be better. Theere is a reason that these breaks have been used so much- they're perfect for it. The amen can be cut any way you want and it still pieces back together beautifully and sounds "ruff" the whole time. I do, however, like to find new breaks because it is possible to change your sound by doing this. Saying a break is played out is like saying that the 909 is played out in a way. :) -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, atomly wrote:

quoted 2 lines Saying a break is played out is like saying that the 909 is played out

> Saying a break is played out is like saying that the 909 is played out > in a way. :)

well... maybe the 909 doesn't sound played out YET (to most of us anyway) but think about what older drum machines like the Linn sound like (Prince albums anyone?). I'm sure that somebody could take a Linn and make it sound fresh if they had to, but why? It's all in what you do with the sounds of course, and if you want to make jump-up jungle then Amen is the easy way to succeed at that because when people hear Amen, they say "hey this is a jungle track, i know this because i recognize that drumkit" just like they recognize certain kinds of house by the 909 kik-hat-kik-hat pattern. It's much more of an accomplishment if you can make a song that conforms to the rules of jungle or whatever genre you please out of elements that aren't the standard tools of that genre. It's by no means a hard and fast rule, but to me, re-using the same breaks/drum machines/synth presets that a million other bedroom boffins have already succeeded with doesn't forge any new ground. Granted that's not every artist's goal, and it shouldn't be. It's just my opinion and I'm sticking to it :) JOsh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

113audio.com has jordana's stuff too. but i suggest making your own. it's more rewarding. phatso's site is dope though. you can find some cool shit. and he's got some other great loops too. a. "Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to." - Bill Lee, Naked Lunch ----- Original Message ----- From: "atomly" <atomly@atomly.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [idm] the Breaks

quoted 27 lines On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:27:18AM -0500, _DipthonG_ wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:27:18AM -0500, _DipthonG_ wrote: > > Speaking of funk... > > > > Anyone know where one can aquire High quality > > Breakbeats, drum, samples etc...???????? > > Jordana (formerly 1.8.7.) used to have a good collection of them > somewhere online... She moved to jordana.co.uk but now that doesn't > seem to be working... I'd look for those, though. > > There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have some > decent stuff, but they're somewhat lacking. > > Just do a search for "amen hotpants paris apache soul pride" and > something should turn up. :) > > -- > :: atomly :: > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 2 lines 113audio.com

> 113audio.com > has jordana's stuff too.

113 has been broken for months. -andrew

quoted 34 lines "Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to."

> > > "Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to." > - Bill Lee, Naked Lunch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "atomly" <atomly@atomly.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [idm] the Breaks > > > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:27:18AM -0500, _DipthonG_ wrote: > > > Speaking of funk... > > > > > > Anyone know where one can aquire High quality > > > Breakbeats, drum, samples etc...???????? > > > > Jordana (formerly 1.8.7.) used to have a good collection of them > > somewhere online... She moved to jordana.co.uk but now that doesn't > > seem to be working... I'd look for those, though. > > > > There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have some > > decent stuff, but they're somewhat lacking. > > > > Just do a search for "amen hotpants paris apache soul pride" and > > something should turn up. :) > > > > -- > > :: atomly :: > > > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com > > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------

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quoted 3 lines Jordana (formerly 1.8.7.) used to have a good collection of them

>Jordana (formerly 1.8.7.) used to have a good collection of them >somewhere online... She moved to jordana.co.uk but now that doesn't >seem to be working... I'd look for those, though.

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what about chocolate sugar???? a. "Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to." - Bill Lee, Naked Lunch ----- Original Message ----- From: "%andrew" <asmith@konfused.net> To: "atomly" <atomly@atomly.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [idm] the Breaks

quoted 37 lines <Someone said something along these lines...>

> <Someone said something along these lines...> > > > There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have some > > decent stuff, but they're somewhat lacking. > > > > Just do a search for "amen hotpants paris apache soul pride" and > > something should turn up. :) > > Let me just take this moment and declare what I think the 4 best breaks > are: > > 1) Amen (duh) > 2) Soul Pride (try to find the really long, like, 8 bar version) > 3) Firefight > 4) Bell Stomp (aka The Worm) > > The only breaks you'll ever need. > > -andrew > > -- > ----=Urbana Youth Outreach=---- > ========-White Rabbits-======== > -----------+Dasein+------------ > http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ > > Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 > http://www.eupholus.net/ > > "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Exactly... It's like listening to a rock album (or WHATEVER) and saying, "fuck- GUITARS??? Everyone uses guitars on their tracks! I like that 2x4 with strings that so and so used..." :) z

quoted 95 lines From: %andrew <asmith@konfused.net>

>From: %andrew <asmith@konfused.net> >To: idmwanks <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] the Breaks >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:09:01 -0600 (CST) > ><Someone said something along these lines...> > > > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:52:03 -0600 (CST) > > From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> > > To: %andrew <asmith@konfused.net> > > Cc: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>, idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [idm] the Breaks > > > > except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so > > overused? ah we already had the big Amen discussion but my theory is >that > > the less used the break the better .... > >Ok, this is just stupid. I don't give a fuck how many jungle ruffnecks >have used a break. My assessment of breaks is based solely on how I can >use it, and how versatile it is. The tone of the drums, and the overall >feel mean more than "oooh! look how IDM I am, I sampled a break from some >an Elvis track". blah blah blah. It's the same thing with 808/909 >sounds. Yes, everyone and their mom uses 909 samples, but why and how? 99% >of the stuff I hear with 808/909 samples uses them in a really boring way, >but there's that special 1% that really makes me turn my head. That, to >me, is much more artistic and impressive: to take a sound that many people >know and do something totally new and fresh with it. > >-andrew > > > -- > > String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > > http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, %andrew wrote: > > > > > <Someone said something along these lines...> > > > > > > > There are a bunch of websites like www.phatdrumloops.com which have >some > > > > decent stuff, but they're somewhat lacking. > > > > > > > > Just do a search for "amen hotpants paris apache soul pride" and > > > > something should turn up. :) > > > > > > Let me just take this moment and declare what I think the 4 best >breaks > > > are: > > > > > > 1) Amen (duh) > > > 2) Soul Pride (try to find the really long, like, 8 bar version) > > > 3) Firefight > > > 4) Bell Stomp (aka The Worm) > > > > > > The only breaks you'll ever need. > > > > > > -andrew > > > > > > -- > > > ----=Urbana Youth Outreach=---- > > > ========-White Rabbits-======== > > > -----------+Dasein+------------ > > > http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ > > > > > > Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 > > > http://www.eupholus.net/ > > > > > > "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > >-- >----=Urbana Youth Outreach=---- >========-White Rabbits-======== >-----------+Dasein+------------ >http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ > >Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 >http://www.eupholus.net/ > >"The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 1 line ===== Original Message From Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> =====

>===== Original Message From Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> =====

quoted 3 lines recently i've scored excellent breaks from a variety of records that

>recently i've scored excellent breaks from a variety of records that >nobody else would touch ... some live elvis stuff, Deodato, weather >report, lou rawls...

FWIW, I've heard plenty of people using breaks off Deodato records, including on chart topping singles here in New Zealand, so I'd dispute that his stuff fits the category of breaks "nobody else would touch". In fact, Deodato gets widely sampled full stop among "nu jazz" folks (ie. recent acid jazz re-branded, like most of the stuff on Compost). As for caring whether a break is played out.. I empathise, and normally shy away from stuff I've heard done to death, but also find that at some point I have to stop caring about that kind of thing. I reckon ultimately it's second-guessing my intended audience's reaction, and I can't claim to know what people will actually think. The number of fans of eg. Squarepusher's 'Hard Normal Daddy' suggests that a lot of people don't care how thrashed a beat is, providing you mess with it. Mr Self-conscious Post-Modern Guy (normally referred to as Luke Vibert ;-) did a great thing with 'Filthy Drummer', a Wagon Christ tune where he subtly mucks with the funky drummer break, bringing in fills and nuances, and then suddenly swings the whole damn beat. I love that, precisely because it's a beat everyone knows, it sounds like it's running straight in the way you expect, and then WHAM it makes my head fall off. He caps it off with some mock-JB vocal snippets going "ain't it filthy", where the original track has him saying "ain't it funky". I was sufficiently excited first time I heard it that I laughed out loud. Michael np. Remote Viewer -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org