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From:
Jeff Shoemaker
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Date:
Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:49:07 -0600
Subject:
Re: [idm] the Breaks
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quoted 7 lines except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so>> except maybe they are the worst breaks ever because they are all so >> overused? ah we already had the big Amen discussion but my theory is that >> the less used the break the better .... > >Ok, this is just stupid. I don't give a fuck how many jungle ruffnecks >have used a break. My assessment of breaks is based solely on how I can >use it, and how versatile it is. The tone of the drums, and the overall
i agree. moreover i have to wonder: is this an indictment of guys like plug, animals on wheels, squarepusher, vat? they've all used the amen, and to awesome effect imo. none of them let the historical "baggage" of amen, paris, whatever get in the way of making good tunes. if anything they used the break to turn some of the more conservative facets of dnb on it's ears. much of the plug series is like a hilarious inside joke to me, but the real punchline is that the tunes are top. the early Rephlex movement used to call for the end of the 909 and 808. how do i reconcile that with d'arcangelo (sp), like a tim, and other Rephlex artists who have since used these instruments? could it be that their original assessment of the situation was made in the heat of the moment (during the deluge of early 90's 'ardcore and pop-techno), and that maybe they rethought their politic? maybe a drum machine wasn't the enemy. . .maybe it's usage was. convictions made convicts. if you don't like the sound of it, fine. maybe it sounds like ass to you. but if you allow the fact that the sound has been "overused" (a loaded and subjective word no doubt) to keep you from using it then you're doing yourself a real disservice in the songwriting department imo. a whole lot of crap has been made on just about every instrument imaginable. besides, in these post-post-post-post-modern times isn't a little stylistic nod fun now and again? i missed the amen discussion, but i've felt it's resonances ever since i subbed. sad to hear that autechre-styled prog rock is in style but the amen is not. i can't make heads or tails of that thinking, personally. disclaimer: i am an old raver. a "jungle ruffneck" if you will. the sound of a properly mashed amen is like, well, music to my ears. thusly jeff explains himself right out of the discussion :) -jeff ------------ 1642 try 621 ------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org