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2000-05-24 19:03Kent williamsThat post has some points but basically goes after idm - type fans as a strawman. I can ma

From:: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net>
To:: intelligent dance music <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:03:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: [idm] fornicate the genre

That post has some points but basically goes after idm - type fans as a strawman. I can make fun of 'em too, but it doesn't have anything to do with actual people. I've gotten into disputes on IDM where I'm duelling from the viewpoint of eclectic tastes versus people for whom it's the one true faith. Whatever. As soon as events on the internet loom larger in your self-image and emotional well being than your real life, it's time to shoot the computer. Conversely, I'd defend the viewpoint that there is something musically valid and unique to what has come to be called 'IDM' and it's not about elitism, at least for me. I don't see any distinction between the validity of a really well made house track, and aphex twin's latest clatter and screech prank. I realy like actual dancing, and actual dance music. IDM is kind of the crossroads between pop and full on experimental music, so it's exciting to watch the crosspollination...insulting a whole class of people is just garden variety stupidity... By the way the VLAD on Warp is a really cool bit of work. He seems to have a new take on the Rich Devine/Kit Clayton digital tomfoolery. And there's at least one track I can drop into my dub techno sets to frighten the citizens... kent williams -- kent@avalon.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-05-25 19:03Ross Balmer----- Original Message ----- From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> To: intelligent dance m

From:: Ross Balmer <ross@tui.co.uk>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:03:12 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] fornicate the genre

----- Original Message ----- From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> To: intelligent dance music <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: [idm] fornicate the genre

quoted 3 lines That post has some points but basically goes after idm - type fans as

> That post has some points but basically goes after idm - type fans as > a strawman. I can make fun of 'em too, but it doesn't have anything to > do with actual people. I've gotten into disputes on IDM where I'm

duelling

quoted 6 lines from the viewpoint of eclectic tastes versus people for whom it's the

> from the viewpoint of eclectic tastes versus people for whom it's the > one true faith. > > Whatever. As soon as events on the internet loom larger in your self-image > and emotional well being than your real life, it's time to shoot the > computer.

I agree - to me the only use for terms like IDM is locating the music in the record shops, I would hate to associate myself with a genre to the point of excluding everything else. I'm speaking as an ex-goth here :) If I was making the music OTOH I would probably want to deny any association with a genre, or at least change the subject vary quickly. I guess categorization is an especially bad thing if it's you that's being categorized... > Conversely, I'd defend the viewpoint that there is something musically

quoted 2 lines valid and unique to what has come to be called 'IDM' and it's not about

> valid and unique to what has come to be called 'IDM' and it's not about > elitism, at least for me. I don't see any distinction between the

validity

quoted 2 lines of a really well made house track, and aphex twin's latest clatter and

> of a really well made house track, and aphex twin's latest clatter and > screech prank.

I don't see it myself either. I would question what the writer actually knows about the music itself. I subscribe to this list because it gives me information about the music I like which tends to be stuff with a large amount of feeling and soul, not art for arts sake. Even the most experimental stuff has to have that, that's what I like about stuff like Gramm and Vladislav Delay, that it can be progressive and still retain that human element.

quoted 2 lines I realy like actual dancing, and actual dance music. IDM is kind of

> I realy like actual dancing, and actual dance music. IDM is kind of > the crossroads between pop and full on experimental music, so it's

exciting

quoted 2 lines to watch the crosspollination...insulting a whole class of people is just

> to watch the crosspollination...insulting a whole class of people is just > garden variety stupidity...

And very easy to do without actually having to know anything. Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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