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1997-04-02 15:19Adam J Weitzman (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes
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├─ 1997-04-02 20:27Kent Williams (idm) Tenor has sharp threads
└─ 1997-04-02 20:34The Rare Guy Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes
└─ 1997-04-02 16:09Aaron Michelson Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes
└─ 1997-04-02 22:50The Rare Guy Re: (idm) The Tenor has some very nice clothes, mind you! :)
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1997-04-02 15:19Adam J WeitzmanSo I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album via RealAudio. I c
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So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album via RealAudio. I came away with the following conclusion: _Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even marginally qualified as IDM were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on. Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug* -- Adam J Weitzman "Getting [your computer] to work is no more Individual, Inc. difficult than building a nuclear reactor weitzman@individual.com from wristwatch parts using only your teeth." http://www.individual.com - Dave Barry
1997-04-02 16:57g.On Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:19:40 -0500, you wrote: >So I went to the Warp web site to have a l
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On Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:19:40 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 9 lines So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album>So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album >via RealAudio. I came away with the following conclusion: > >_Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even >marginally qualified as IDM were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore >Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 >maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on. > >Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*
the idm definition has been laughable since it's creation. for me idm stands for good music with an electronic edge. jimi tenor is good music. it has an electronic edge. it is not lounge music. g.
1997-04-02 20:27Kent WilliamsOn Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > So I went to the Warp web site to have a list
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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Adam J Weitzman wrote:
quoted 7 lines So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album> So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album > via RealAudio. I came away with the following conclusion: > > _Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even > marginally qualified as IDM were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore > Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 > maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on.
Maybe it loses something in Real Audio. If your point is that it isn't anything like the traditional 'icons' of IDM, I'd grant you. But it is cool, and not, in my opinion simply EZ-listening. Tenor's stuff has live instruments, well arranged, in combination with a variety of synths, drum machines, and more traditional electric keyboards like the Fender Rhodes and the Hammond B3. Plus vocals. It's as if a squirrelly finn decided that he was the reincarnation of Stevie Wonder, and for me it's a nice break from all the people who figured out that they can run a drum machine through a fuzzbox. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "i love the smell of new carpet. it makes me dizzy. just like when you fall in love." -- Mike Dvorkin Home Page, featuring Reagan on Black Velvet, the EMP Compilation CD, samples of my music, etc http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3488 (fax)
1997-04-02 20:34The Rare GuyOn Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Adam J Weitzman wrote [about (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes]: >_I
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On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Adam J Weitzman wrote [about (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes]:
quoted 4 lines _Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even>_Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even >marginally qualified as IDM were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore >Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 >maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on.
and what's to say lounge music isn't IDM? who says it isn't IDM.
quoted 1 line Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*>Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*
because he's on Warp. -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .
1997-04-02 16:09Aaron MichelsonOn 02 Apr 1997 20:34 EST4EDT, The Rare Guy wrote to me: >> Why he gets any play on this li
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quoted 1 line Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*>> Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*
quoted 1 line because he's on Warp.> because he's on Warp.
Now that's a pile if I've ever heard one. Jimi Tenor doesn't not stand on his own..... two artists that come to mind are The Gentle People (Rephlex) and Tipsy (Asphodel). Both are artists who embrace both the warm fuzzies of lounge, yet use loads of electronics to produce a very clean and comfortable sound. It's almost like some sorta lounge/techno hybrid, and nothing beats it. Perfect to relax to after a long day. onnow: daft punk (virgin) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net
1997-04-02 22:50The Rare GuyOn Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Aaron Michelson wrote [about Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes]:
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On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Aaron Michelson wrote [about Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes]:
quoted 6 lines Now that's a pile if I've ever heard one. Jimi Tenor doesn't not stand on>Now that's a pile if I've ever heard one. Jimi Tenor doesn't not stand on >his own..... two artists that come to mind are The Gentle People (Rephlex) >and Tipsy (Asphodel). Both are artists who embrace both the warm fuzzies of >lounge, yet use loads of electronics to produce a very clean and >comfortable sound. It's almost like some sorta lounge/techno hybrid, and >nothing beats it. Perfect to relax to after a long day.
yeah, I won't argue with you about that, but I'm pretty sure the reason that Jimi Tenor is being discussed here is coz he's on Warp, which is an IDM label, which inherintly means he's IDM (IMO he is, Greg also agreed here) but it's not because he's on Warp, it's because his music is electronic music, which is what most people on this list have forgotten, and then IDM seemed to mean nothing, like Jan posted, and then others agreed, and member even said he was leaving the list. Well really, this list should be renamed to EDM, Electronic Dance Music mailing list. It would put a hamper on the spiffy IBM-ripoff logo ;) but I think that there will always be people saying U2 is crap-- people that are always saying The Prodigy is crap because it's going commercial. :I and there will always be endless arguments about it, it seems.. :( -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .
1997-04-02 18:28Humanerr0r@aol.comIn a message dated 02/04/97 15:36:36, you write: > _Intervision_ is not IDM. What's IDM? >
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In a message dated 02/04/97 15:36:36, you write:
quoted 1 line _Intervision_ is not IDM.> _Intervision_ is not IDM.
What's IDM?
quoted 1 line It's lounge music.> It's lounge music.
Oh good, normally I have to play music in my bedroom.
quoted 1 line The only tracks that even marginally qualified as IDM> The only tracks that even marginally qualified as IDM
Are you the kind of individual who collects together vowels and consonants in your alphabet soup before you eat them?
quoted 2 lines were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore> were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore > Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak.
What's EZ Listening muzak?
quoted 2 lines I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11> I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 > maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on.
Absolutely right - isn't that just wonderful?
quoted 1 line Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*> Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*
Jimi Tenor's great, and that's enough of a reason for me. Cheerio! NP - Edgey - Kape Ill Miester
1997-04-02 21:20weindan@vivanet.com>> were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore >> Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. >
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quoted 2 lines were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore>> were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore >> Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak.
quoted 1 line What's EZ Listening muzak?> What's EZ Listening muzak?
What do you mean "what's EZ-listening muzak"? It's EZ listening muzak you fool! It's self apparent. Gabe/weindan@vivanet.com On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 Humanerr0r@aol.com wrote:
quoted 34 lines In a message dated 02/04/97 15:36:36, you write:> In a message dated 02/04/97 15:36:36, you write: > > > _Intervision_ is not IDM. > > What's IDM? > > > It's lounge music. > > Oh good, normally I have to play music in my bedroom. > > > The only tracks that even marginally qualified as IDM > > Are you the kind of individual who collects together vowels and consonants in > your alphabet soup before you eat them? > > > were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore > > Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. > > What's EZ Listening muzak? > > > I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 > > maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on. > > Absolutely right - isn't that just wonderful? > > > Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug* > > Jimi Tenor's great, and that's enough of a reason for me. > > Cheerio! > > NP - Edgey - Kape Ill Miester > >
1997-04-02 19:25Erkki RautioOh yes, now it can all be revealed: us sneaky Finns are conspiring to brainwash all you li
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Oh yes, now it can all be revealed: us sneaky Finns are conspiring to brainwash all you little IDMers with EZ-listening lounge muzak, so you'll all turn to crimplene-wearing, champagne cocktail-sipping zombies in no time and will never want to hear about your Future Sound of Aphexpusherbital Black Dog's Bollocks again. Run to the hills! ekku the maintainer of pHinnWeb - everything u ever wanted to know about Finnish techno scene but were too afraid of the reindeer trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb
1997-04-02 19:33thomas m weibrechtplease make it happen...my packed bag is at the foot of my bed and my roll of quarters is
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please make it happen...my packed bag is at the foot of my bed and my roll of quarters is ready....only one request: change the champagne cocktail to a vodka martini....thanks... tom w np: woob2 On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:25:57 +0300 (EET DST) Erkki Rautio <trerra@uta.fi> writes:
quoted 18 lines Oh yes, now it can all be revealed: us sneaky Finns are conspiring to>Oh yes, now it can all be revealed: us sneaky Finns are conspiring to >brainwash all you little IDMers with EZ-listening lounge muzak, so >you'll >all turn to crimplene-wearing, champagne cocktail-sipping zombies in >no time >and will never want to hear about your Future Sound of >Aphexpusherbital Black >Dog's Bollocks again. Run to the hills! > > >ekku > >the maintainer of pHinnWeb - everything u ever wanted to know >about Finnish techno scene but were too afraid of the reindeer > >trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | >http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb >
1997-04-03 06:02Humanerr0r@aol.comIn a message dated 02/04/97 21:25:50, you write: > > What's EZ Listening muzak? > What do
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In a message dated 02/04/97 21:25:50, you write:
quoted 1 line What's EZ Listening muzak?> > What's EZ Listening muzak?
quoted 2 lines What do you mean "what's EZ-listening muzak"? It's EZ> What do you mean "what's EZ-listening muzak"? It's EZ > listening muzak you fool! It's self apparent.
Oh, just forget it.
1997-04-03 13:01silverwhaleErkki Rautio wrote: >Oh yes, now it can all be revealed: us sneaky Finns are conspiring to
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Erkki Rautio wrote:
quoted 5 lines Oh yes, now it can all be revealed: us sneaky Finns are conspiring to>Oh yes, now it can all be revealed: us sneaky Finns are conspiring to >brainwash all you little IDMers with EZ-listening lounge muzak, so you'll >all turn to crimplene-wearing, champagne cocktail-sipping zombies in no time >and will never want to hear about your Future Sound of Aphexpusherbital >Black Dog's Bollocks again. Run to the hills!
'...run for your lives' but seriously, warp - what is propably is the #1 reason why jimi is discussed here (alongside the obvious sahko connection) - has been expanding their scope lately... red snapper sure is different stuff from them. crimplene-wearing, champagne cocktail-sipping zombiewhale OnNow: crimplene-wearing, champagne cocktail-sipping zombiemusic .............................................. ... e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi .................. ... ruumen ................................... ... http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html . .............................................. "the only thing that exists is myself" - bomb in 'dark star'
1997-04-03 11:06g.On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:01:44 +0200 (GMT+0200), you wrote: >Erkki Rautio wrote: > >>Oh yes,
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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:01:44 +0200 (GMT+0200), you wrote:
quoted 14 lines Erkki Rautio wrote:>Erkki Rautio wrote: > >>Oh yes, now it can all be revealed: us sneaky Finns are conspiring to >>brainwash all you little IDMers with EZ-listening lounge muzak, so you'll >>all turn to crimplene-wearing, champagne cocktail-sipping zombies in no time >>and will never want to hear about your Future Sound of Aphexpusherbital >>Black Dog's Bollocks again. Run to the hills! > >'...run for your lives' > >but seriously, warp - what is propably is the #1 reason why jimi is >discussed here (alongside the obvious sahko connection) - has been >expanding their scope lately... red snapper sure is different stuff from >them.
so is broadcast i suppose. g.
1997-04-03 14:04Erkki RautioYes, he has, and he even designs them himself: Tenorwear :) I think I'm a bit biased to re
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Yes, he has, and he even designs them himself: Tenorwear :) I think I'm a bit biased to really join in this discussion, so please, before you indulge more in your "Jimi Tenor is not IDM/yes he is/ no he isn't" bickering, go check his discography and see yourself that the guy really wasn't born yesterday, and already has a vast back catalogue behind him. So if it isn't IDM, who cares, and I leave the argumentation to the people who are better in it (cheers Jan!). http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/tenor.html np: Trans Am - Surrender to the Night ekku the maintainer of pHinnWeb - everything u ever wanted to know about Finnish techno scene but were too afraid of the reindeer trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb
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