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quoted 3 lines Mm. Unlike the rest of the list, I still haven't hit that magic ep7

> Mm. Unlike the rest of the list, I still haven't hit that magic ep7 > appreciation point (although I enjoy many of the tracks, the whole thing > hasn't clicked), so maybe I'm just a little....different.

Don't feel bad, I've had it since its domestic release, and I didn't really 'get it' until last month. Has anyone else noticed that taking a long time to 'click' is something of a constant with new ae releases? Perhaps it just goes to show how far ahead of all of us they are. Jamie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines Don't feel bad, I've had it since its domestic release, and I didn't really

> Don't feel bad, I've had it since its domestic release, and I didn't really > 'get it' until last month. Has anyone else noticed that taking a long time > to 'click' is something of a constant with new ae releases? Perhaps it just > goes to show how far ahead of all of us they are. > > Jamie

Well, the only autechre album i have is ep7, so i don't know any of their old stuff, but i got into it quite quickly, although i had a bit to "study" it before becoming aware to the richness of the rythms. But i think ep7 is quite "fluent", i mean that everybody could listen to it without being shocked... it takes just a little bit more to notice how beautiful it is behind it's apparent simplicity Manuel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

-----Original Message----- From: Jamie Johnson <jajohnso@logantele.com> To: idm <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 2:42 PM Subject: Re: (idm) re: chiastic slide

quoted 8 lines Mm. Unlike the rest of the list, I still haven't hit that magic ep7

>> Mm. Unlike the rest of the list, I still haven't hit that magic ep7 >> appreciation point (although I enjoy many of the tracks, the whole thing >> hasn't clicked), so maybe I'm just a little....different. > >Don't feel bad, I've had it since its domestic release, and I didn't really >'get it' until last month. Has anyone else noticed that taking a long time >to 'click' is something of a constant with new ae releases? Perhaps it just >goes to show how far ahead of all of us they are.

yeah i could tap into that. the new autechre is all about the sounds and the rhythms. no more techno, dancefloor bass cadets. don't get me wrong i love the old stuff too, but autechre has evolved their sound. the melodic treasures are hidden beneath the timbres. take "squeller" for example (track3, ep7). the melody is not audible at a surface level. the new stuff won't "click" at all because you have to dig into it just to hear it. i personally think like the newer the better. there are not too many songs more beautiful and moving than "vose in" or "corc" or "dropp". autechre truly is 'listening' music. it must be studied to be appreciated. i guess that makes it minimal in the sense that it is such detailed music. maybe those of you that are not yet into lp5 and ep7 just need to hear more than what you think you hear. take time and drugs and hear all the richness new ae has to offer.

quoted 8 lines Jamie

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quoted 4 lines Don't feel bad, I've had it since its domestic release, and I didn't really

> Don't feel bad, I've had it since its domestic release, and I didn't really > 'get it' until last month. Has anyone else noticed that taking a long time > to 'click' is something of a constant with new ae releases? Perhaps it just > goes to show how far ahead of all of us they are.

Oddly enough i fell in love with this the first time i heard it, and since then i've kind have grown to dislike parts of it (the first half, save rpeg, especially). It just seems like it was thrown together with some bs tracks. The truly great peices on that are at the end, and i'm hoping they'll take that further in their next album, which should be an interesting purchase. I have yet to buy an autechre "album" that i didn't absolutely just want to encase in gold (or platinum, in the case of CS). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I second that. It got me almost a year to dig into LP5. I felt bad at first as what I expected was something else. This CD has been on my shelf left unexplored quite for long. However, in time, I used to appreciate it more and more, till I finally uncovered the way they made each song. It is brilliant. Another step for Ae. Huge leap in electronic music. Alien np. Spacetime Continuum - "Emit Ecaps" (Reflective,96)

quoted 2 lines Mm. Unlike the rest of the list, I still haven't hit that magic ep7

> >> Mm. Unlike the rest of the list, I still haven't hit that magic ep7 > >> appreciation point (although I enjoy many of the tracks, the whole

thing

quoted 3 lines hasn't clicked), so maybe I'm just a little....different.

> >> hasn't clicked), so maybe I'm just a little....different. > > > >Don't feel bad, I've had it since its domestic release, and I didn't

really

quoted 1 line 'get it' until last month. Has anyone else noticed that taking a long

> >'get it' until last month. Has anyone else noticed that taking a long

time

quoted 1 line to 'click' is something of a constant with new ae releases? Perhaps it

> >to 'click' is something of a constant with new ae releases? Perhaps it

just

quoted 9 lines goes to show how far ahead of all of us they are.

> >goes to show how far ahead of all of us they are. > > > yeah i could tap into that. the new autechre is all about the > sounds and the rhythms. no more techno, dancefloor bass cadets. don't > get me wrong i love the old stuff too, but autechre has evolved their > sound. the melodic treasures are hidden beneath the timbres. take > "squeller" for example (track3, ep7). the melody is not audible at a > surface level. the new stuff won't "click" at all because you have to

dig

quoted 4 lines into it just to hear it. i personally think like the newer the better.

> into it just to hear it. i personally think like the newer the better. > there are not too many songs more beautiful and moving than "vose in" or > "corc" or "dropp". autechre truly is 'listening' music. it must be > studied to be appreciated. i guess that makes it minimal in the sense

that

quoted 2 lines it is such detailed music. maybe those of you that are not yet into lp5

> it is such detailed music. maybe those of you that are not yet into lp5 > and ep7 just need to hear more than what you think you hear. take time

and

quoted 16 lines drugs and hear all the richness new ae has to offer.

> drugs and hear all the richness new ae has to offer. > > > > >Jamie > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 6 lines yeah i could tap into that. the new autechre is all about the

> yeah i could tap into that. the new autechre is all about the >sounds and the rhythms. no more techno, dancefloor bass cadets. don't >get me wrong i love the old stuff too, but autechre has evolved their >sound. the melodic treasures are hidden beneath the timbres. take >"squeller" for example (track3, ep7). the melody is not audible at a >surface level. the new stuff won't "click" at all because you have to

dig

quoted 6 lines into it just to hear it. i personally think like the newer the better.

>into it just to hear it. i personally think like the newer the better. >there are not too many songs more beautiful and moving than "vose in" or >"corc" or "dropp". autechre truly is 'listening' music. it must be >studied to be appreciated. i guess that makes it minimal in the sense that >it is such detailed music. maybe those of you that are not yet into lp5 >and ep7 just need to hear more than what you think you hear. take time

and

quoted 1 line drugs and hear all the richness new ae has to offer.

>drugs and hear all the richness new ae has to offer.

i hear a lot of talk about habituation when listening to new autechre; not necessarily a good thing! listen to anything for long enough and you'll begin to hear things that you didn't notice at first, or that aren't even there perhaps. i am always wary when someone tells me that, if i don't like something it is just because i don't understand it, and ought to listen again and again and again until i do understand it, or am at least used to it, habituated. of course, who can say for sure if the ae guys really do have a coherent message "beneath the surface" of ep7? i feel like i can understand what they are doing and saying but it just doesn't work in the same way that it did for me with Tri Repetae and Garbage EP stuff, parts of Chiastic + Chiclisuite .. but that's just what I like. it's okay to not like EP7, right? it doesn't mean that i don't _understand_ EP7; i just don't like it. if you don't like it, don't feel like you have to listen and listen until you do; listen to something else that you actually do like, and you'll be happier. probably? would people give this record so many chances, spend so much time getting used to it, if it weren't ae? probably not.. all that said, im listening to Maphive 6.1 right now and i like it a lot. =) nice one.. noah --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines i hear a lot of talk about habituation when listening to new autechre; not

>i hear a lot of talk about habituation when listening to new autechre; not >necessarily a good thing! listen to anything for long enough and you'll >begin to hear things that you didn't notice at first, or that aren't even >there perhaps. i am always wary when someone tells me that, if i don't >like something it is just because i don't understand it, and ought to

listen

quoted 2 lines again and again and again until i do understand it, or am at least used to

>again and again and again until i do understand it, or am at least used to >it, habituated.

well now i never said that if you don't like it that's because you don't understand it. i'm sure many people thoroughly reviewed it and decided they didn't like it. but there are probably others who listened to it a couple times and discarded it because it didn't strike their fancy right away. (it didn't mine on listen #1). and that's fine of course. and when you say 'listen to anything for long enough and you'll begin to hear things that you didn't notice .... etc' i still don't see how that's negative at all. i read an interview with markus popp (oval) and he responds when asked what music he listened to: "not very much in particular. just whatever music is on whenever i'm waiting somewhere. i dunno, it's kinda everywhere anyway, so..." point is... i think many music listeners are not critics. i, for one, can honestly say that i can enjoy any music. it all has potential to be good, or interesting, or bad, or anything when it is listened to without black and white judgement.

quoted 7 lines of course, who can say for sure if the ae guys really do have a coherent

> >of course, who can say for sure if the ae guys really do have a coherent >message "beneath the surface" of ep7? i feel like i can understand what >they are doing and saying but it just doesn't work in the same way that it >did for me with Tri Repetae and Garbage EP stuff, parts of Chiastic + >Chiclisuite .. but that's just what I like. it's okay to not like EP7, >right?

oh of course. i definetely would rule out that autechre has any "beneath the surface" message in any of their music. i would say that they have "beneath the surface" richness though. not a message, but that's where i think autechre becomes truly beautiful and advanced music. i recall an article i read which i'm sure many of you have also read that parallels autechre's engineering with disneyland blueprints. it was 1997 i believe during the chiastic slide period when they were commenting on the mechanical detailing beneath the magic of disneyland. i'd say they certainly stuck with that 'philosophy' throughout the next few releases. changing the sounds, but keeping the detailing and carving it down even further and further with each release. it

quoted 8 lines doesn't mean that i don't _understand_ EP7; i just don't like it.

>doesn't mean that i don't _understand_ EP7; i just don't like it. > >if you don't like it, don't feel like you have to listen and listen until >you do; listen >to something else that you actually do like, and you'll be happier. >probably? >would people give this record so many chances, spend so much time getting >used to it, if it weren't ae? probably not..

on the contrary, i am happier when i discover that i like something i wouldn't normally enjoy. it's sort of.... fascinating to me when i find that i'm into something outside my normal listening scheme. most people, you're right, would not give ep7 'so many chances'.... along with anything else that isn't fast food. i prefer not to think of music listening in terms of 'chances'. it's not like a make or break thing you know. it's just music. anyway, i'm not going in further with this one. listen free! joseph fitzpatrick -----Original Message----- From: Noah Sasso <nsassokareli@clarku.edu> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: (idm) Re: chiastic slide

quoted 11 lines yeah i could tap into that. the new autechre is all about the

>> yeah i could tap into that. the new autechre is all about the >>sounds and the rhythms. no more techno, dancefloor bass cadets. don't >>get me wrong i love the old stuff too, but autechre has evolved their >>sound. the melodic treasures are hidden beneath the timbres. take >>"squeller" for example (track3, ep7). the melody is not audible at a >>surface level. the new stuff won't "click" at all because you have to >dig >>into it just to hear it. i personally think like the newer the better. >>there are not too many songs more beautiful and moving than "vose in" or >>"corc" or "dropp". autechre truly is 'listening' music. it must be >>studied to be appreciated. i guess that makes it minimal in the sense

that

quoted 5 lines it is such detailed music. maybe those of you that are not yet into lp5

>>it is such detailed music. maybe those of you that are not yet into lp5 >>and ep7 just need to hear more than what you think you hear. take time >and >>drugs and hear all the richness new ae has to offer. >

quoted 2 lines all that said, im listening to Maphive 6.1 right now and i like it a lot.

> >all that said, im listening to Maphive 6.1 right now and i like it a lot.

=)

quoted 9 lines nice one..

>nice one.. > >noah > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 5 lines i hear a lot of talk about habituation when listening to new autechre; not

> i hear a lot of talk about habituation when listening to new autechre; not > necessarily a good thing! listen to anything for long enough and you'll > begin to hear things that you didn't notice at first, or that aren't even > there perhaps. i am always wary when someone tells me that, if i don't > like something it is just because i don't understand it, and ought to

listen

quoted 2 lines again and again and again until i do understand it, or am at least used to

> again and again and again until i do understand it, or am at least used to > it, habituated.

All I know is that listening EP7 make me very happy, even though it didn't (as much) when I first got it. If it's my habituation that makes me so happy when I listen to it, then I'm all for it! Yay for habituation!!! Jamie np-- "Rettic AC" from Chiastic Slide...ahh texture... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org