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aran parillo wrote:

quoted 1 line tell it to the judge!

>tell it to the judge!

That's what I meant to do, actually...so here.

quoted 1 line $22!! For a *promo*?! What a F*@#ing rip off! I hope that includes >express

>$22!! For a *promo*?! What a F*@#ing rip off! I hope that includes >express

mail postage! I can get interested IDM listmembers copies at >appx 1/2 that cost via Newbury Comix here @ MIT. Show some >respect. That's very nice that you can get a copy for cheaper, but if you take a look at any genre in the recording industry, promos are worth more than the regular LPs because there are less of them around. Especially for desirable artists. I am not price gouging--I paid more for it. So, I guess the jokes on me, but I have not seen any copies of this for cheaper, either, so I don't feel I am disrespectful. Take a look at the pricetags on promo items such as Powerpill, J9i, In Order to Dance 5, etc. Of course, In Pine Effect is no where near as rare as these, but then again, I am not charging anywhere near what those go for... Andrew

quoted 3 lines $22!! For a *promo*?! promos are worth more than the

>$22!! For a *promo*?! promos are worth more than the >regular LPs because there are less of them around. Especially for desirable >artists. I am not price gouging--I paid more for it.

Yikes?!?! You, poor, unfortunate soul- paying for a promo like that. The whole point of promos is not to have to pay for them. Even at my mainstream chain record store, we got a promo or two of pine effect (only cos it was released on virgin), but we don't actually carry it... and the indie shop where I buy records had so many that they used them to stock their shelves (illegal as hell but they do it all the time), but priced them normally, at $12.

quoted 3 lines That's very nice that you can get a copy for cheaper, but if you take a look

> That's very nice that you can get a copy for cheaper, but if you take a look > at any genre in the recording industry, promos are worth more than the > regular LPs...

Yes, to that breed of collectorscum who collect records as artifacts instead of as a way to hear music they like. There's a special level in hell reserved for these folks. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

lazlo@swcp.com wrote:

quoted 1 line promos are worth more than the regular LPs...

>>promos are worth more than the regular LPs...

quoted 2 lines Yes, to that breed of collectorscum who collect records as artifacts

>Yes, to that breed of collectorscum who collect records as artifacts >instead of as a way to hear music they like.

I'm sure they still listen to those releases and enjoy them as well... Andrew

Adam Weitzman wrote:

quoted 2 lines if you take a look at any genre in the recording industry, promos are

>> if you take a look at any genre in the recording industry, promos are >>worth more than the regular LPs because there are less of them >>around.

quoted 2 lines I wann't going to say anything, but this statement is truly laughable.

>I wann't going to say anything, but this statement is truly laughable. >The promo is about the same as the value of the regular issue. I >would

*never* pay more for a promo than a standard issue unless it >was different in some way (different artwork, different packaging, >different CD print, etc.). These types of promos are valuable. I think you missed the first part of my statement--look at ANY genre in the music industry. Promos for U2, REM, Depeche, Duran, Pearl Jam, etc. etc. etc. ALL typically go for more than the regular issue. This may not be the case in the idm industry, to which I say ok. To let you and others know, though, the IPE cd does come in different packaging, albeit cheap, but it is not just the regular issue with a gold stamp on it.

quoted 2 lines Take a look at the pricetags on promo items such as

>> Take a look at the pricetags on promo items such as >> Powerpill, J9i, In Order to Dance 5, etc.

quoted 2 lines Those are different. Those releases are collectors' items in their own

>Those are different. Those releases are collectors' items in their own >right, because the *regular* issues are so hard to get, and the promos >are

even harder to get, thus have a little more cache to them. Plus, I >think a couple of them were different for the promo release than the >regular one. That's the fundamental difference. You are right, but -again- I addressed that in my last post--the prices for those are astronomical because of the reasons that you said. However I did not set the price for this CD at $50 or something like that. Anyway, I guess I misjudged the rarity of this CD and I have lowered the price. Still though, my copy is the only one I have seen in LA to date... Andrew

quoted 2 lines if you take a look at any genre in the recording industry, promos are

> >> if you take a look at any genre in the recording industry, promos are > >>worth more than the regular LPs because there are less of them >>around.

Not exactly. Promos normally aint worth shizot unless they differ in an important way from the standard cd/record issue. My family's business is record collecting, been in it for thirty years, is da truth ruth. The only way a promo would be worth that much and not be unique is in the case where the owner of said promo sells it for an unfair amount to a sap/loser/igneeramoose who will pay that much.I guess i mean to say such promos are worth high prices only to foolish ignorant completists. I'm sure there are lots in the techno scene who fit such description, and if they is dumb enough i guess you're richer.it's still shitty tho. In Chapel Hill, record stores price promos normally between 2$ and 5$ [which is still illegal so dont tell].

quoted 7 lines I think you missed the first part of my statement--look at ANY genre in the

> > I think you missed the first part of my statement--look at ANY genre in the > music industry. Promos for U2, REM, Depeche, Duran, Pearl Jam, etc. etc. > etc. ALL typically go for more than the regular issue. This may not be the > case in the idm industry, to which I say ok. To let you and others know, > though, the IPE cd does come in different packaging, albeit cheap, but it is > not just the regular issue with a gold stamp on it.

see above. i personally think it best as well, that someone at least have something of idm content --a conversation piece [informational statement /review /inquisitive question]-- in their post along with their advertisement. Courtesy is nice. just a grumpus, j

quoted 5 lines they used them to stock their shelves

>> they used them to stock their shelves >> (illegal as hell but they do it all the time), but priced them normally, at >> $12. > Why would a promo of "In Pine Effect" be worth something of value >when anyone can purchase the released on easily?

It shouldn't but that wasn't my actual point. Read on if you have time to kill...

quoted 2 lines I don't understand. Your

>I don't understand. Your >trouble in answering is appreciated.

Well, I was merely commenting on the fact that the stores I often purchase records from seem to have an inordinate number of promos lining thir shelves at times. I remember when the Black Dog's "Spanners" was first released, and one of the stores sold promos alongside the regular cd's for the same price (since they were identical, other than the stamp that says "promotonal only: sale prohibited"). I think they had about seven or eight promos and only two normal copies, in fact. Another store had some twelve (yes, twelve, I counted) Goldie promos that they sold as used (which constituted their entire stock of the album). I know that selling promo copies of anything is supposed to be "prohibited" (I don't know if that means "illegal" or not). Whether or not it is illegal, promos are usually given to some outfit, like a reviewer or a record store, for free, and so selling them means 100% profit in all cases. It just doesn't seem fair to me then when promo prices go to $22 or more, because whoever got that promo in the first place got it for free, and then may have sold it to the person who priced it at $22, but in any case, someone is really ripping off a record label when they sell a promo. That's why I really can't see record stores selling them in large quantities as being very ethical at all. As for "rare" promos, that are real different from the other release, or collectors items or something... I don't know. I guess, do what you want; I don't want to raise another "bootleg" issue here. But if record stores stock their shelves with promos, that's just shit, and that was my origional point in my first post on the subject.

quoted 2 lines Promos normally aint worth shizot unless they differ in an

>Promos normally aint worth shizot unless they differ in an >important way from the standard cd/record issue.

I already agreed with you on this, and people know this if they have been collecting for 30 years or as 'little' as nine as the case may be with me. Anyway, since promos are not really supposed to be sold (but are anyway in almost every record store other than major chains), the prices differ, which means it is silly to argue about what promos should be priced _in general_ and what your local store prices promos for. Here's the bottom line about the IPE promo. I got ripped off. I misjudged how rare it was. I am no longer trying to sell it for $22.

quoted 3 lines i personally think it best as well, that someone at least have

>i personally think it best as well, that someone at least have >something of idm content --a conversation piece [informational >statement/review /inquisitive question]-- in their post along with >their

advertisement. Courtesy is nice. I disagree. I am not a man of fluff, and I had nothing to say at that moment. If I have nothing to say, my post will be short. I do not think that is discourteous at all. Just defending myself, Andrew

Dear Adam,

quoted 1 line I've seen plenty of promo copies of _Monster_, _Achtung_Baby_, >_Thank_You_,

>I've seen plenty of promo copies of _Monster_, _Achtung_Baby_, >_Thank_You_,

etc., for $6-$8. I'll pay premium prices for a lot of >things, but identical-packaging CD "promos" are not nearly worth it. I agree with you. I have seen a copy of "Thank You" however with no silkscreened artwork on the CD (different than regular '45' artwork) go for $20-$30.

quoted 1 line IPE: Could you describe the packaging?

>IPE: Could you describe the packaging?

It is in a slim jewelcase with the cover art only in black and white, with u-ziq - In Pine Effect across the top in large letters. Under it, it says: Advance Promotional CD Release Date: 10/24/95 ASW6155 CD/CS/LPx2 And then it lists the tracks with running times. All on the front cover. The CD is silk-screened black except where the lettering is. Again, the disc has u-ziq In Pine Effect in big letters, and at the bottom--Release Date: October 24, 1995. I know the packaging is different than the regular release, but since I don't have the regular release, I don't know what the CD art looks like, but I know it doesn't say the release date on it.

quoted 1 line You didn't indicate that anywhere in your sale post, though.

>You didn't indicate that anywhere in your sale post, though.

I didn't know there was any other promos (i.e. stamped/punched) than the one I had. If I did have merely a stamped one though, I would have mentioned it and I naturally wouldn't have priced it as high. Andrew