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2000-11-16 12:38Tosh Cooey [idm] shit in a can is intellectual art
├─ 2000-11-16 14:23Konstantin Minko RE: [idm] shit in a can is intellectual art
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2000-11-16 12:38Tosh CooeyI can't believe you said this. You must be really insecure about what you do to try and ju
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I can't believe you said this. You must be really insecure about what you do to try and justify its (and your own) existence with some bullshit about free expression. It's like saying one "intellectual" wanker taking a bunch of crap and throwing it haphazardly on a canvas is groundbreaking intelligent collage, like Jackson Pollack, and has more freedom to express themself than another "intellectual" wanker who paints precise lines and shapes, like Barnett Newman. The only reason for anyone to dismiss house music is because they are unfamiliar with it and the surrounding culture makes them feel insecure, and this holds true for EVERY kind of music and possibly cultural things as well. Tosh ---------------- From: "Matt Anderson" <655321@telus.net> Subject: RE: house vs. idm Message-ID: <NCBBKNDBGLJADEIFLFFPCEFICJAA.655321@telus.net> WARNING: this post is coming mainly from a 'musician's' point of view... ( I use musician because I don't know what else to use) What it comes down to for me is that I am not generally a fan of any purpose built music. Mainly because to do so, it has to conform to rules. I make music because I love the creative freedom that comes along with doing so. It is just an audible version of a collage or poem. No rules, and I can do whatever I want. So to me, when I see that to make a house track, it HAS to have energy, HAS to be between 110-135 BPM, HAS to have a consistant beat, etc. I say no thanks... These rules/guidlines seem totally restricting. If you enjoy making regimented music, then fine, but I would certainly feel like part of a cookie cutter process if I made house music. Don't take this as an attack on skill or intelligence... It takes great skill in producing good house, but for me it's about creative freedom. -Matt- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 14:23Konstantin Minko> -----Original Message----- > From: Tosh Cooey [mailto:tosh@c4.ca] Well. I'm ready to und
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quoted 2 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Tosh Cooey [mailto:tosh@c4.ca]
Well. I'm ready to undersign the subj. If anyone in the world sees it as art - it is art. Nothing more, nothing less. I have friends who listen to noise music made of field recording of the noise of the power lines in Australia desert - they like it and discuss it a lot, desperately search for new albums, etc. I consider it just an electric hum - they see it as music i.e. art. So who's right? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Hence. Music is in the ears of the listener.
quoted 3 lines I can't believe you said this. You must be really insecure about what> I can't believe you said this. You must be really insecure about what > you do to try and justify its (and your own) existence with some > bullshit about free expression.
I can't believe you said that. What's so bullshity about free expression? If I as a subject person do not see any art in Picasso's works it does not mean it isn't art. What about Malevich's "Black square"? It's just a black square painted on the canvas and it is considered as highly intellectual art by many. Who am I to say it's just a black square painted by some idiot?
quoted 11 lines It's like saying one "intellectual" wanker taking a bunch of crap and> > It's like saying one "intellectual" wanker taking a bunch of crap and > throwing it haphazardly on a canvas is groundbreaking intelligent > collage, like Jackson Pollack, and has more freedom to express themself > than another "intellectual" wanker who paints precise lines and shapes, > like Barnett Newman. > > The only reason for anyone to dismiss house music is because they are > unfamiliar with it and the surrounding culture makes them feel insecure, > and this holds true for EVERY kind of music and possibly cultural things > as well.
Please be more cautious in your statements. I am familiar with noise music and I like my friends who listen to it - I've grown with them and in their cultural surroundings, yet I don't like it at all. I don't like most of house music yet I've passed it through my brain already in the years passed and I'm very secure with its culture - I'm trying my DJ abilities right now.... Am I not "anyone" mentioned in your post or maybe noise and house do not belong to "every" kind of music you mentioned?
quoted 2 lines Tosh> > Tosh
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2000-11-16 16:54jonathan morse> >The only reason for anyone to dismiss house music is because they are >unfamiliar with
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quoted 7 lines The only reason for anyone to dismiss house music is because they are> >The only reason for anyone to dismiss house music is because they are >unfamiliar with it and the surrounding culture makes them feel insecure, >and this holds true for EVERY kind of music and possibly cultural things >as well. > >Tosh
even trance? =) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 18:37atomlyOn Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote: > even trance? www.fucktra
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On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote:
quoted 1 line even trance?> even trance?
www.fucktrance.com :) -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 22:24Lee Azzarelloatomly = funny/(deft + sincere) and yes, shit in a can is intellectual art if it smells li
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atomly = funny/(deft + sincere) and yes, shit in a can is intellectual art if it smells like brie and cabernet. on 11/16/00 10:37 AM, atomly at atomly@atomly.com wrote:
quoted 4 lines On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote:> On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote: >> even trance? > > www.fucktrance.com :)
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2000-11-17 15:02jonathan morseheh heh heh so who wants to hack the oakenfold site? dont all jump at once... =) >On Thu,
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heh heh heh so who wants to hack the oakenfold site? dont all jump at once... =)
quoted 14 lines On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote:>On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote: >> even trance? > >www.fucktrance.com :) > >-- >:: atomly :: > >atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com >http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-11-16 21:19Kurt Bernhard Pruenneratomly wrote: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote: > > even t
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atomly wrote:
quoted 4 lines On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote:> On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0500, jonathan morse wrote: > > even trance? > > www.fucktrance.com :)
Hmmm... is that some kind of not so blatant self-promotion? *veg* -- Kurt Pruenner - Haendelstrasse 17, 4020 Linz, Austria | Briareos at Olymp BBS: http://www.mp3.com/Leak http://www.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at | ssh bbs@138.232.112.32 ...........It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"........... np: I-F - I Do Because I Couldn't Care Less (X-Mix: Electro Boogie) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org