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From:
Konstantin Minko
To:
, Tosh Cooey
Date:
Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:23:56 +0200
Subject:
RE: [idm] shit in a can is intellectual art
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quoted 2 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Tosh Cooey [mailto:tosh@c4.ca]
Well. I'm ready to undersign the subj. If anyone in the world sees it as art - it is art. Nothing more, nothing less. I have friends who listen to noise music made of field recording of the noise of the power lines in Australia desert - they like it and discuss it a lot, desperately search for new albums, etc. I consider it just an electric hum - they see it as music i.e. art. So who's right? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Hence. Music is in the ears of the listener.
quoted 3 lines I can't believe you said this. You must be really insecure about what> I can't believe you said this. You must be really insecure about what > you do to try and justify its (and your own) existence with some > bullshit about free expression.
I can't believe you said that. What's so bullshity about free expression? If I as a subject person do not see any art in Picasso's works it does not mean it isn't art. What about Malevich's "Black square"? It's just a black square painted on the canvas and it is considered as highly intellectual art by many. Who am I to say it's just a black square painted by some idiot?
quoted 11 lines It's like saying one "intellectual" wanker taking a bunch of crap and> > It's like saying one "intellectual" wanker taking a bunch of crap and > throwing it haphazardly on a canvas is groundbreaking intelligent > collage, like Jackson Pollack, and has more freedom to express themself > than another "intellectual" wanker who paints precise lines and shapes, > like Barnett Newman. > > The only reason for anyone to dismiss house music is because they are > unfamiliar with it and the surrounding culture makes them feel insecure, > and this holds true for EVERY kind of music and possibly cultural things > as well.
Please be more cautious in your statements. I am familiar with noise music and I like my friends who listen to it - I've grown with them and in their cultural surroundings, yet I don't like it at all. I don't like most of house music yet I've passed it through my brain already in the years passed and I'm very secure with its culture - I'm trying my DJ abilities right now.... Am I not "anyone" mentioned in your post or maybe noise and house do not belong to "every" kind of music you mentioned?
quoted 2 lines Tosh> > Tosh
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