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[idm] That Napster Thing

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2000-09-02 00:59[idm] That Napster Thing
└─ 2000-09-02 23:18Lee Azzarello RE: [idm] That Napster Thing
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2000-09-02 00:59TekDz9ER@aol.comI know people must be tired of talking about this subject, but i'd just like to say how my
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I know people must be tired of talking about this subject, but i'd just like to say how my opinion has drastically changed over the past couple weeks. I actally hadn't even used Napster until after they were un-shutdown. Having never used it before, my thoughts were that Metallica was being ridiculous about it because there is no way that they'd loose a substantial amount of money because of it. I saw the whole thing as a way for people to buy more CD's because they could easily hear more music that they otherwise would never hear, and then be convinced into buying a full length album. Well after I jumped on the bandwagon, I found that my initial thoughts were so wrong. I am the biggest addict of Macster (napster's bastard stepchild), but at the same time couldn't agree more with Metallica over why it should be shut down. I love the thing to death and would absolutely hate to see it disappear, but if I were a big time band, I really would start to worry. I came to a realization the other day that I may never have to buy a Cd again. In the past few weeks, I must have "stolen" hundreds of dollars worth of music that i otherwise wouldn't ever have bought on my own. I am an avid music collector, but I've tried to stay away from certain groups because I was afraid that I would then have to go collect every piece of music that the artist has ever produced. Now I've done that and couldn't be happier. I've bleeped blopped and blooped until the sun came down every night, and now I have a deep collection that is being added to every day. All of those old pieces of vinyl that people put out as first releases that I thought I would never ever find....I finally have! It's absolutely incredible. Of course there's certain artists that I would have to buy the CD just because I want the great packaging, artwork, or info, but for the most part I have everything I could possibly need with the help of a free program, a full time job, and an unrelentless T1 line. So all in all, trying to shut down Napster was certainly not blatant greed. The greed is now mine. It's a contradiction because I can't live without it, but I am fully aware of how dangerous it is to the music industry. TekDz9er
quoted 16 lines Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:33:00 CDT>Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:33:00 CDT >To: ian@webice.net, idm@hyperreal.org >From: "Twine sound" <twine_sound@hotmail.com> >Subject: RE: [idm] "assholes" metal/lica? >Message-ID: <F248FopYC98Bi89Qtpf0000028c@hotmail.com> > >I just had to throw my 2 cents in. Who could respect a money-grubbing >band >like metallicocksuckers. Trying to shut down Napster was the most blatant > >show of greed I have ever seen. I never liked them to begin with. If >you >want to hear good metal, check out RUINS from Japan! :) > >Peace, >Chad
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-----Original Message----- From: TekDz9ER@aol.com [mailto:TekDz9ER@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 6:00 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] That Napster Thing I came to a realization the other day that I may never have to buy a Cd again. In the past few weeks, I must have "stolen" hundreds of dollars worth of music that I otherwise wouldn't ever have bought on my own. This is interesting. You say you would never buy this music on your own, yet you are still worried that you are 'stealing' it. If you wouldn't buy it in the first place, how are you hurting the artist's financial situation? So all in all, trying to shut down Napster was certainly not blatant greed. The greed is now mine. It's a contradiction because I can't live without it, but I am fully aware of how dangerous it is to the music industry. The only way Napster is dangerous to the music industry is that it shows how record companies present recorded music as a mythical medium and inflate it's value through ownership and control. Those Britney Spears CDs don't seem too valuable when you can grab all the Baby One More Times you want in under two minutes. MP3's are a very demystifying and liberating experience. What I'm saying is that rich bands are going to be rich bands anyway. The only reason record companies (and the bands that act as their puppets) are complaining is that a distribution model such as Napster presents just how un-special pop music can be. Take away all of the hype and advertising lacquer and you are left with a file that says "Metallica-FadeToBlack.mp3" that you have to listen to it face value. Giving listeners a chance to hear some of one's music in a private situation is about as harmful as playing a mix tape while a friend is in the car with you. As for artists not working in the pop world, it just gives a good example of who's fronting and who's for real. For example: I downloaded an MP3 from Napster by a band called Neutral Milk Hotel. A friend told me about them and I wanted to check out the sounds before I put down dollars for a CD. It was a great song. I was inspired to get the album. I did and most of the others songs on the album don't please me as much as that one song. I'm glad Jeff Magnum and friends got a piece of my $12 so they can pay rent or buy a new set of guitar strings or whatever but I would have much rather have bought a concert ticket to see them live than put down money for a CD that I don't really listen to that much. I don't see how you can think that shutting down Napster would accomplish anything except make a bunch of people angry and a bunch of record execs snicker a little more greedily. Also, I must note that Napster is not really that innovative, just specialized. I've been grabbing/sharing MP3's off Hotline servers since '96 (Hotline is basically Napster but more versatile). -Lee
quoted 16 lines Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:33:00 CDT>Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:33:00 CDT >To: ian@webice.net, idm@hyperreal.org >From: "Twine sound" <twine_sound@hotmail.com> >Subject: RE: [idm] "assholes" metal/lica? >Message-ID: <F248FopYC98Bi89Qtpf0000028c@hotmail.com> > >I just had to throw my 2 cents in. Who could respect a money-grubbing >band >like metallicocksuckers. Trying to shut down Napster was the most blatant > >show of greed I have ever seen. I never liked them to begin with. If >you >want to hear good metal, check out RUINS from Japan! :) > >Peace, >Chad
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