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1998-12-18 16:27John Bush> How about Jega....Jay-ga or Yay-ga ? I'm going to say Jay-ga. Last April, I was calling

From:: John Bush <johnb@allmusic.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>, <jpklein@flash.net>
Date:: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:27:09 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) Gescom @ Schizm

quoted 1 line How about Jega....Jay-ga or Yay-ga ?

> How about Jega....Jay-ga or Yay-ga ?

I'm going to say Jay-ga. Last April, I was calling about a Jega show while in London, and asked if "Yay-ga" was playing that night. I got some kind of "Wha?" in return, so I tried "Jay-ga" and finally seemed to connect... BTW: I remember something about a thread several weeks ago regarding American hip-hop producers and their similarities to electronic stuff. I'm convinced that if tracks from the latest Busta Rhymes, Timbaland or RZA LPs (heck, even Jay-Z) were released on some obscure label without vocals, they'd blow up around here. There's even some good productions on No Limit Records (maybe one or two per album), with really hot cymbals going tsss-tsss and those great start-stop bass rhythms. Maybe Wu-Tang is onto this, since an instrumental version of RZA's album is coming out early next year... (Wasn't there an album of DJ Premier productions out in Britain awhile ago?) .John. NP: RZA As Bobby Digital (Gee Street) -- he even samples Portishead! I've always thought she was the worst thing to happen to the band, so I chuckled after hearing Beth pitched-up to chipmunk range.

1998-12-18 16:52Andrew Duke Cognition AudioworksJohn Bush wrote: > <snip> regarding American hip-hop producers and their similarities to >

From:: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <cognition@globalserve.net>
To:: John Bush <johnb@allmusic.com>
Cc:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>, jpklein@flash.net <jpklein@flash.net>
Date:: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:52:43 -0400
Subject:: (idm) Re:the IDM in R&B/Atlanta/Detroit

John Bush wrote:

quoted 9 lines <snip> regarding American hip-hop producers and their similarities to

> <snip> regarding American hip-hop producers and their similarities to > electronic stuff. I'm > convinced that if tracks from the latest Busta Rhymes, Timbaland or RZA LPs > (heck, even Jay-Z) were released on some obscure label without vocals, > they'd blow up around here. There's even some good productions on No Limit > Records (maybe one or two per album), with really hot cymbals going > tsss-tsss and those great start-stop bass rhythms. Maybe Wu-Tang is onto > this, since an instrumental version of RZA's album is coming out early next > year...<snip>

John: I agree totally. Worked '97 and '98 in a CD store with a mainly mainstream-musiclistening-type clientele. Whenever I could get away with it, I'd sneak in the electronic music I personally dug (to get through the day *and* maybe convert some people :) ), but for the large part I had to play popular stuff. So I played *a lot* of rap, hip hop, r & b. And, like you said, some of the beats were pretty damn intricate, almost drum n bass style (of course, where the boss yelled before about "all that damn electronic music" I had been playiing on the store's system, it was now "play some rock music sometimes, too, will ya?"), and instrumentals on some of it would have have been much better. Yesterday was listening to the local hip hop/R & b show here in Halifax and the DJ played the new TLC (from Atlanta and the Babyface/Jermaine Dupri/Dallas Austin empire). The remix was more IDM than R&B, in fact, as the intro was playing, I was wondering if he had put on the wrong promo. Heavy duty electro style beat with lots of high screeches; of course, then the vocals came in and changed things a bit. It's called "Sister Ho" or something like that. And the DJ even mentioned the Timbaland connection, saying, "nope, that wasn't produced by Timbaland, it was done by Dallas Austin". Floating Aux 88 member BJ is doing hip hop/R & B now, and when I interviewed Lawrence Burden for the Octave One piece, he said Detroit and Atlanta were "working on some things together". Andrew

1998-12-18 20:30William CordrayThere is definitely a connection here. I've been producing beats for a small underground h

From:: William Cordray <wcordray@pdq.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:30:00 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re:the IDM in R&B/Atlanta/Detroit

There is definitely a connection here. I've been producing beats for a small underground hiphop label from Atlanta and I really don't come from a hiphop background. Like the majority of people on this list, I listen to a lot of experimental electronic stuff. But the majority of the mc's I work with dig the weird and obscure shit. It's usually because of all the buddha they been blowin' :} My two cents, William Cordray wcordray@pdq.net -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <cognition@globalserve.net> To: John Bush <johnb@allmusic.com> Cc: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>; jpklein@flash.net <jpklein@flash.net> Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:50 AM Subject: (idm) Re:the IDM in R&B/Atlanta/Detroit

quoted 5 lines John Bush wrote:

>John Bush wrote: > >> <snip> regarding American hip-hop producers and their similarities to >> electronic stuff. I'm >> convinced that if tracks from the latest Busta Rhymes, Timbaland or RZA

LPs

quoted 2 lines (heck, even Jay-Z) were released on some obscure label without vocals,

>> (heck, even Jay-Z) were released on some obscure label without vocals, >> they'd blow up around here. There's even some good productions on No

Limit

quoted 3 lines Records (maybe one or two per album), with really hot cymbals going

>> Records (maybe one or two per album), with really hot cymbals going >> tsss-tsss and those great start-stop bass rhythms. Maybe Wu-Tang is onto >> this, since an instrumental version of RZA's album is coming out early

quoted 4 lines year...<snip>

>> year...<snip> > >John: I agree totally. Worked '97 and '98 in a CD store with a mainly >mainstream-musiclistening-type clientele. Whenever I could get away with

it,

quoted 2 lines I'd sneak in the electronic music

>I'd sneak in the electronic music >I personally dug (to get through the day *and* maybe convert some people

:) ),

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>but >for the large part I had to play popular stuff. So I played *a lot* of

rap,

quoted 2 lines hip hop, r & b.

>hip hop, r & b. >And, like you said, some of the beats were pretty damn intricate, almost

drum n

quoted 2 lines bass style

>bass style >(of course, where the boss yelled before about "all that damn electronic

music"

quoted 4 lines I had been

>I had been >playiing on the store's system, it was now "play some rock music sometimes, >too, will ya?"), >and instrumentals on some of it would have have been much better.

Yesterday

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>was listening >to the local hip hop/R & b show here in Halifax and the DJ played the new

TLC

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>(from Atlanta and the >Babyface/Jermaine Dupri/Dallas Austin empire). The remix was more IDM than >R&B, >in fact, as the intro was playing, I was wondering if he had put on the

wrong

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>promo. >Heavy duty electro style beat with lots of high screeches; of course, then

the

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>vocals >came in and changed things a bit. It's called "Sister Ho" or something like >that. And the DJ >even mentioned the Timbaland connection, saying, "nope, that wasn't

produced by

quoted 2 lines Timbaland,

>Timbaland, >it was done by Dallas Austin". Floating Aux 88 member BJ is doing hip

hop/R &

quoted 4 lines B now,

>B now, >and when I interviewed Lawrence Burden for the Octave One piece, he said >Detroit >and Atlanta were "working on some things together". Andrew

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