There is definitely a connection here. I've been producing beats for a
small underground hiphop label from Atlanta and I really don't come from a
hiphop background. Like the majority of people on this list, I listen to a
lot of experimental electronic stuff. But the majority of the mc's I work
with dig the weird and obscure shit. It's usually because of all the buddha
they been blowin' :}
My two cents,
William Cordray
wcordray@pdq.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <cognition@globalserve.net>
To: John Bush <johnb@allmusic.com>
Cc: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>; jpklein@flash.net <jpklein@flash.net>
Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:50 AM
Subject: (idm) Re:the IDM in R&B/Atlanta/Detroit
quoted 5 lines John Bush wrote:>John Bush wrote:
>
>> <snip> regarding American hip-hop producers and their similarities to
>> electronic stuff. I'm
>> convinced that if tracks from the latest Busta Rhymes, Timbaland or RZA
LPs
quoted 2 lines (heck, even Jay-Z) were released on some obscure label without vocals,>> (heck, even Jay-Z) were released on some obscure label without vocals,
>> they'd blow up around here. There's even some good productions on No
Limit
quoted 3 lines Records (maybe one or two per album), with really hot cymbals going>> Records (maybe one or two per album), with really hot cymbals going
>> tsss-tsss and those great start-stop bass rhythms. Maybe Wu-Tang is onto
>> this, since an instrumental version of RZA's album is coming out early
next
quoted 4 lines year...<snip>>> year...<snip>
>
>John: I agree totally. Worked '97 and '98 in a CD store with a mainly
>mainstream-musiclistening-type clientele. Whenever I could get away with
it,
quoted 2 lines I'd sneak in the electronic music>I'd sneak in the electronic music
>I personally dug (to get through the day *and* maybe convert some people
:) ),
quoted 2 lines but>but
>for the large part I had to play popular stuff. So I played *a lot* of
rap,
quoted 2 lines hip hop, r & b.>hip hop, r & b.
>And, like you said, some of the beats were pretty damn intricate, almost
drum n
quoted 2 lines bass style>bass style
>(of course, where the boss yelled before about "all that damn electronic
music"
quoted 4 lines I had been>I had been
>playiing on the store's system, it was now "play some rock music sometimes,
>too, will ya?"),
>and instrumentals on some of it would have have been much better.
Yesterday
quoted 2 lines was listening>was listening
>to the local hip hop/R & b show here in Halifax and the DJ played the new
TLC
quoted 4 lines (from Atlanta and the>(from Atlanta and the
>Babyface/Jermaine Dupri/Dallas Austin empire). The remix was more IDM than
>R&B,
>in fact, as the intro was playing, I was wondering if he had put on the
wrong
quoted 2 lines promo.>promo.
>Heavy duty electro style beat with lots of high screeches; of course, then
the
quoted 4 lines vocals>vocals
>came in and changed things a bit. It's called "Sister Ho" or something like
>that. And the DJ
>even mentioned the Timbaland connection, saying, "nope, that wasn't
produced by
quoted 2 lines Timbaland,>Timbaland,
>it was done by Dallas Austin". Floating Aux 88 member BJ is doing hip
hop/R &
quoted 4 lines B now,>B now,
>and when I interviewed Lawrence Burden for the Octave One piece, he said
>Detroit
>and Atlanta were "working on some things together". Andrew