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Does anyone know the U.S. release date of the new Ae album? Will we see a 2CD set again with the "Evane" and "Anti" EP's coupled? Paul Rafanello intone@warwick.net

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:56:33 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines Does anyone know the U.S. release date of the new Ae album? Will we

> Does anyone know the U.S. release date of the new Ae album? Will we >see a 2CD set again with the "Evane" and "Anti" EP's coupled?

We do not, alas, currently have any definite plans for a USA domestic release of 'Chiastic Slide' / 'Envane'. g.

quoted 9 lines On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:56:33 -0500, you wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:56:33 -0500, you wrote: > >> Does anyone know the U.S. release date of the new Ae album? Will we >>see a 2CD set again with the "Evane" and "Anti" EP's coupled? > >We do not, alas, currently have any definite plans for a USA domestic >release of 'Chiastic Slide' / 'Envane'. > >g.

say it isnt so.... afo at mt.osikanawa design labs.1998

quoted 5 lines We do not, alas, currently have any definite plans for a USA domestic

> >We do not, alas, currently have any definite plans for a USA domestic > >release of 'Chiastic Slide' / 'Envane'. > > say it isnt so.... >

He didn't say they won't release them domestic, he said they have no current plans to. If the new Ae single/album are not eventually released domestically, it will be the first time. I'll gladly pay import prices though, because I know I'll be getting top notch (in my book) music to listen to. np: Being: Frust -- guyjr@ns.gt.ed.net | I.D.M.- That stage in sleeping when your feet are a.k.a., Guy Elden, Jr. | moving faster than your eyes.

All-- If there's one thing I don't understand as a relative newbie to idm, it's all the fuss over Autechre. It's clear a majority of subscribers to this list hold Ae close to their hearts, but I don't see it. I've only heard Amber and Cichlisuite, but, believe me, I tried to like them. I couldn't. Amber is boring as hell and has no staying power as far as I am concerned. Cichlisuite is essentially unlistenable. There's my opinion. Come and crush it. I dare you. --Geoff

quoted 1 line "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Langham <langham@eta.pha.jhu.edu> writes:

>>>>> "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Langham <langham@eta.pha.jhu.edu> writes:

Geoffrey> Cichlisuite is essentially unlistenable. There's my Geoffrey> opinion. Come and crush it. I dare you. You are perfectly correct in what you say about Autechre. However, I think Amber is a deep and emotional album, that eminates beauty throughout. I remember when I first bought, on the reccomendation of many on this list, I thought it was a load of tripe. I decided to give them a second blast and bought Incunnabula. It's a much easier listen, much easier to absorb. Autechre really do need some time and attention. -- hjw

Quoting Geoffrey Langham (langham@eta.pha.jhu.edu): | | If there's one thing I don't understand as a relative newbie to idm, it's all the | fuss over Autechre. It's clear a majority of subscribers to this list hold Ae close | to their hearts, but I don't see it. I may agree with you on that Autechre generally have been stirred up just a little bit too much. Nevertheless, they *are* good but I think many newcomers to Autechre have far too great expectations. So I'm kind of glad that I "discovered" Ae by myself, not being recommended by friends or on the net. Anyway, I really think you should try Tri Repetae if you haven't already; it fits perfectly between Amber and Cichlisuite stylewise in my opinion. Incunabula is boring, but may have been very exciting at the time it came out. -- Christian Stigen Larsen -- http://www.sublevel3.org chrisl@stud.ntnu.no http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~chrisl/

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Geoffrey Langham wrote: Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but really, give them (ae) a while to sink in. My experience with them (as many people on this list) has been that none of the releases hit me for awhile after purchase. I bought Incunabala when it came out, and though it just sounded like rip off old Front 242. Then that summer it hit me and I fell in love. Next was Amber, and the same thing: it wasn't dancey, no 808 beats, it was weird man. Now Amber is my all time favorite Ae release. It has a deep coldness to it and at the same time a certain pensive warmth to it. I don't find this album boring at all. Every song sound very different from the one before it, while still being very cohesive, which I can't say about newer Ae material... The other Ae releases only get more complex/abstract. A lot of us know their sounds and 'tricks' by now, so perhaps we know what to expect. I think they are bordering on complexity for complexity's sake, but still, it's some pretty amazing programming they are doing. just give it a while, you'll be brainwashed like the rest of us:) peace Nate PS if you do indeed consider yourself a 'newbie', then I think you will find that upon collecting other material, some good some not, you'll get a 'bigger picture', which will make you appreciate Ae's talent even more. It did for me.

quoted 13 lines All--

> All-- > > If there's one thing I don't understand as a relative newbie to > idm, it's all the fuss over Autechre. It's clear a majority of > subscribers to this list hold Ae close to their hearts, but I don't see > it. I've only heard Amber and Cichlisuite, but, believe me, I tried to > like them. I couldn't. Amber is boring as hell and has no staying > power as far as I am concerned. Cichlisuite is essentially > unlistenable. > There's my opinion. Come and crush it. I dare you. > > --Geoff >

On Wednesday, 08-Jul-98, Geoffrey Langham wrote [about (idm) Ae]:

quoted 5 lines If there's one thing I don't understand as a relative newbie to idm, it's a

>If there's one thing I don't understand as a relative newbie to idm, it's all >the fuss over Autechre. It's clear a majority of subscribers to this list >hold Ae close to their hearts, but I don't see it. I've only heard Amber and >Cichlisuite, but, believe me, I tried to like them. I couldn't. Amber is >boring as hell and has no staying power as far as I am concerned.

Cichlisuite

quoted 2 lines is essentially unlistenable.

>is essentially unlistenable. >There's my opinion. Come and crush it. I dare you.

Give it time, or don't.. When I first heard Autechre (my first CD was Basscadet EP) and I thought it was boring as fuck.. I thought (Aphex Twin) Selected Ambient Works II was boring as fuck.. I did love (Aphex Twin) Classics though.. at first only could listen to Polynomial-C and Analogue Bubblebath.. eventually I loved the entire CD.. same thing with SAW2.. Ventolin I thought was complete noise and though I bought it, I played it a few times and put it away.. I was into IDM of course, and kept on buying up other Aphex, Autechre (I had grown to love the Basscadet EP at this point), Plastikman, etc. CD's. About 6 months later, there came a point (this was also when I moved from CD into vinyl, because I just couldn't buy everything in CD and vinyl, and eventually wanted to DJ) when I found a copy of Ventolin on vinyl (doublepak) and upon playing it, after not ever have played the CD again after a few listens, I discovered I loved it.. It was amazing. So you never know, one day you may listen to Amber and Cichlisuite and think "Oh my God!".. I can honestly say I'm not too crazy about Amber but it does have a few tracks that I definitely hold close to my heart, and so does Cichlisuite. As for crushing your opinion, that would be rude and mean of me. I'd never do that though I don't see how it's possible, I could flame you but that wouldn't crush/change your opinion.. anyway love, game program __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

well, Ae isn't for everyone, and i don't think that "crushing" your opinion would be even remotely worthwile (how do you crush someone's opinion of what they like and dislike anyways?)....if you don't like it, then you don't like it, and only a fool would tell you that you should...after all, this isn't just a Ae mailing list, so you shouldn't be expected to be a fan. -brad

I heard that Tri Repetae was really good (basically the same thing Christian L said), that it was more about beats and audibility then computer noises and ambience. So I'll probably check it out. Maybe you Ae lovers will have another recruit, but we'll see... --Geoff

I have two points for newbies discovering Autechre: 1. My first album was Tri Repetae. I have since bought a lot of the aforementioned cd's, but this double cd still remains my favorite. I think it helped me to appreciate their unique approach more than if I had started with another one. 2. I was unmoved the first couple of listens. But my third listen (first through headphones) really blew me away. Don't toss it until you've listened a few times. I don't know if it grows on you, or the chaotic layers start to come together or what, but once you get hooked, you become another Ae fan like all the rest.... Heuristic -----Original Message----- From: idm-owner@hyperreal.org [mailto:idm-owner@hyperreal.org] On Behalf Of Brad Berger Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 8:56 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org; Geoffrey Langham Subject: Re: (idm) Ae well, Ae isn't for everyone, and i don't think that "crushing" your opinion would be even remotely worthwile (how do you crush someone's opinion of what they like and dislike anyways?)....if you don't like it, then you don't like it, and only a fool would tell you that you should...after all, this isn't just a Ae mailing list, so you shouldn't be expected to be a fan. -brad

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Stephen A. Ashworth wrote:

quoted 6 lines I have two points for newbies discovering Autechre:

> I have two points for newbies discovering Autechre: > > 1. My first album was Tri Repetae. I have since bought a lot of the > aforementioned cd's, but this double cd still remains my favorite. I think > it helped me to appreciate their unique approach more than if I had started > with another one.

Um, it should be mentioned that only the US version (through Wax Trax/TVT, if I'm not mistaken) is a double CD (and is actually called _Tri Repetae ++_). First CD is _Tri Repetae_ and the 2nd CD is the _Garbage_ and _Anvil Vapre_ EPs collected together. cya brian -------------------------------------------------------- "The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare

Autechre´s Amber has been my favorite album ever since I bought it. And everything they have done before Tri Repetae is excellent, but the stuff they have been doing lately, like Cichlisuite doesn´t do anything for me. I have listened to Cichlisuite less than ten times and I have never liked one second of it....while I have listened to Amber at least once a week for years. I´m just waiting for their new album... -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Langham <langham@eta.pha.jhu.edu> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 2:36 PM Subject: (idm) Ae

quoted 3 lines All--

>All-- > > If there's one thing I don't understand as a relative newbie to idm, it's

all the fuss over Autechre. It's clear a majority of subscribers to this list hold Ae close to their hearts, but I don't see it. I've only heard Amber and Cichlisuite, but, believe me, I tried to like them. I couldn't. Amber is boring as hell and has no staying power as far as I am concerned. Cichlisuite is essentially unlistenable.

quoted 3 lines There's my opinion. Come and crush it. I dare you.

> There's my opinion. Come and crush it. I dare you. > > --Geoff

At 09:56 AM 7/8/98 CST, Brad Berger wrote:

quoted 3 lines well, Ae isn't for everyone, and i don't think that "crushing" your

> well, Ae isn't for everyone, and i don't think that "crushing" your > opinion would be even remotely worthwile (how do you crush someone's > opinion of what they like and dislike anyways?)....

I've never found it difficult to crush someone's likes, especially when the crushee likes something that's a total piece of shit. As an example (and this sort of thing has happened more than once), I knew this guy that bought every shit Marvel comic printed. He was even buying Godzilla (this was the mid 80's, and if you've ever seen any of those Godzilla comics, you know how bad they really are). I pointed out how bad the line art was, how truly bad the story was, and told him that by buying such shit he was encouraging more shit. Years later I ran into him again - he said he had almost quit buying Marvel and was buying mostly independents (this was the pre-Ninja Turtles golden age of independent comics). Then he thanked me profusely for steering him in that direction. My theory is, some people like stuff out of habit, or laziness, or because everybody else likes it. They need to be shaken up. Some stuff is obviously shit, created solely to appeal to the lowest common denominator for profit. I don't care how many people like it, it's still shit. Call me an elitist, fine, I'm elitist, and it's STILL SHIT. What I've ultimately realized is, people who like mass-market shit tend to have VERY malleable likes & dislikes, which is why they tend to like mass-market shit, & why it's so easy to dissuade them from liking one thing, and persuade them to like another. As for crushing someone's dislikes, well, that's pointless. Che rock - rok (v.) - having a conventional and/or boring nature. ex: "Khakis rock". "That Rolling Stones show rocked". syn: suck.

quoted 1 line I've never found it difficult to crush someone's likes, especially when

> I've never found it difficult to crush someone's likes, especially when

the

quoted 1 line crushee likes something that's a total piece of shit.

> crushee likes something that's a total piece of shit.

I saw a t-shirt recently: "Your favorite band sucks." I'm gonna make one for myself now. Hilarious! - Cf ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - c h r i s t ø p h e r f ª h e y . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ chris@raremedium.com 2 1 2 - 6 3 4 - 6 9 5 0 x 2 5 8 http://www.raremedium.com - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - .

quoted 7 lines ae have always been completely in control of their artwork, in the

> ae have always been completely in control of their artwork, in the > past by directing Ian at DR or the present where they 'did it > themselves'. > > all warp artists have total control over their artwork, packaging. how > could it work any other way? >

Who controlled the WAP100 artwork? It was really dull and bland.

"Nick Zavriev" <ambi@mu.ru> wrote:

quoted 2 lines Tle latest Novel 23's album on Pitchcadet is one more

>>Tle latest Novel 23's album on Pitchcadet is one more >>good example of techno romantic sound's revival.

I definitely agree with Nick here. Novel23's latest output "Melodies of Childhood for Advanced Imagination". Recommended to those who like intricately laid out melodies, and electronica that puts you to tears. I'd also look into Eu's stuff. They've got a track on the "Artefacts" compilation, as well as a cdr full-length "Eu_Soft" -- Christmas Baubles, and these two fellaz (Sasha & Ilya) also have sizeable chunks of melodic structure's (not as much as Novel23), while maintaining that experimental electronic groove throughout. Check out www.mu.ru.eu for more on Eu. Fizzarum is still my favorite.. can't quite get over those drenching clicks and clacks! ; ) Pietro. np-- Phoenecia "Ae--systems mono version" .. it would be nice if Ae would somehow go back to the "Incunabula" sound. Push Button Objects and Richard Devine have their mixes nicely tuned: funked up glitchy hip-hop electronics for your brain, but Ae totally loses my attention this time around. ___________________________________________ p i e t r o d a s a c c o a u d i o - n i m b u s 9745 lynngrove cr, windsor, ontario, n8r 1b8, canada http://www.groovesmag.com grooves experimental electronics music mag --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines .. it would be nice if Ae would somehow go

> .. it would be nice if Ae would somehow go > back to the "Incunabula" sound.

Fortunately, that kind of sound is not forgotten, I'm looking forward to Plod full length, their track on Alt Freq. 3 is a gem, sounds just like if autechre kept moving the same way after incunabula. I also like Bola's album a lot, another example of 'good old incunabula sound'... Nick. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yeah, It seems that there is at least one or two IDM artist out there that are like little Ae time capsules. One or two for each record. I bet there's already some one out there getting ready to release some stuff that sound like EP7. : ) But really, the thing is, IDM is supposed to be experimental. That's what makes Richard James so interesting to me. Just like Autechre, he's always changing. I'm just waiting to hear what he comes up with next. -=GB=- Nick Zavriev wrote:

quoted 13 lines .. it would be nice if Ae would somehow go

> > .. it would be nice if Ae would somehow go > > back to the "Incunabula" sound. > > Fortunately, that kind of sound is not forgotten, I'm looking forward to > Plod full length, their track on Alt Freq. 3 is a gem, sounds just like if > autechre kept moving the same way after incunabula. I also like Bola's album > a lot, another example of 'good old incunabula sound'... > > Nick. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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agreed on the Plod opinion, I can't wait for the full length to come out...from what I've heard so far it looks like it could be one of the best albums in 2000. oh and Incunabula is my favourite Ae record too. "happy days" Gv ----- Original Message ----- From: Galen Beals <galenb@vinton.com> To: Nick Zavriev <ambi@mu.ru> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: 13 December 1999 19:42 Subject: Re: (idm) Ae

quoted 1 line Yeah, It seems that there is at least one or two IDM artist out there that

> Yeah, It seems that there is at least one or two IDM artist out there that

are

quoted 1 line like little Ae time capsules. One or two for each record. I bet there's

> like little Ae time capsules. One or two for each record. I bet there's

already

quoted 1 line some one out there getting ready to release some stuff that sound like

> some one out there getting ready to release some stuff that sound like

EP7. : )

quoted 1 line But really, the thing is, IDM is supposed to be experimental. That's what

> But really, the thing is, IDM is supposed to be experimental. That's what

makes

quoted 1 line Richard James so interesting to me. Just like Autechre, he's always

> Richard James so interesting to me. Just like Autechre, he's always

changing.

quoted 11 lines I'm just waiting to hear what he comes up with next.

> I'm just waiting to hear what he comes up with next. > > -=GB=- > > Nick Zavriev wrote: > > > > .. it would be nice if Ae would somehow go > > > back to the "Incunabula" sound. > > > > Fortunately, that kind of sound is not forgotten, I'm looking forward to > > Plod full length, their track on Alt Freq. 3 is a gem, sounds just like

if

quoted 1 line autechre kept moving the same way after incunabula. I also like Bola's

> > autechre kept moving the same way after incunabula. I also like Bola's

album

quoted 15 lines a lot, another example of 'good old incunabula sound'...

> > a lot, another example of 'good old incunabula sound'... > > > > Nick. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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