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quoted 3 lines thats an ambiguous statement! Panasonic arent shit! andif youre calling

>thats an ambiguous statement! Panasonic arent shit! andif youre calling >Einsturzende Neubauten shit...well then >lets fight!

nono, i really like EN, but panasonic is poop. i honestly don't understand why people like them. not at all. we played with them in cleveland last summer. we saw what they do and heard what comes out of it. whoever: their live show is MUCH MUCH better than their recorded stuff. but it's still not very good. it's like they try to impress everyone with their music-less-ness. :) nothing like EN, where EN is pure human. so absolutely human. you know what i mean? there's GROOOOOOOOOVE! nothing like that at all in panasonic. the sounds aren't even interesting. EN's abrasiveness is comparable to autechre's abrasiveness: it's ok. it's permissable because the entire composition works well and moves you and goes somewhere. EN is especially powerful and emotional, panasonic lacks power and emotion altogether. just before they finished their set (panasonic in cleveland) they tried as hard as they could to blow out the PA the club owner rented especially for them, and they did, costing the club owner more money to throw the party than he made. everyone was covering their ears for the last five minutes of their set. everyone. and they were still fucking smiling. no, i don't like panasonic. i'm hoping FM Einheit (my favourite EN guy :) will knock some goodness into them. -eric _____________________________________________________ :: eric sherman szale@doubtful.com :: :: doubtful productions www.doubtful.com ::

quoted 14 lines thats an ambiguous statement! Panasonic arent shit! andif youre

> >thats an ambiguous statement! Panasonic arent shit! andif youre > calling > >Einsturzende Neubauten shit...well then > >lets fight! > > nono, i really like EN, but panasonic is poop. i honestly don't > understand > why people like them. not at all. we played with them in cleveland > last > summer. we saw what they do and heard what comes out of it. whoever: > their > live show is MUCH MUCH better than their recorded stuff. but it's > still not > very good.

Yeah i mean i mainly base my views of them on a live gig in sheffield from about 2.5years ago... but i do enjoy their albums (albeit not often).... they were absolutely stunning live imo.. but i can imagine how it could fall apart lie or just be boring.. ...and then Jimi Tenor came on and did a live set which was pretty hilarious and then Tom Jenkinson came on and played the most amazing fretless bass, and danced to his drum fills this was the first time i heard what eventually became 'feed me wierd things'. Its hard to remember just how new squarepusher sounded back then, not long ago at all really .....Pretty good night all in all really ;-)

quoted 7 lines it's like they try to impress everyone with their music-less-ness. :)

> it's like they try to impress everyone with their music-less-ness. :) > > nothing like EN, where EN is pure human. so absolutely human. you > know > what i mean? there's GROOOOOOOOOVE! nothing like that at all in > panasonic. > the sounds aren't even interesting.

maybe FM Einhart will inject some emotion and grooove into the mix...and some dirt, panasonic lack dirt (not that 'clean' digital dirt they use ;-) whatever Steve /k/./F/

On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Steve /k/./F/ wrote:

quoted 27 lines thats an ambiguous statement! Panasonic arent shit! andif youre

> > >thats an ambiguous statement! Panasonic arent shit! andif youre > > calling > > >Einsturzende Neubauten shit...well then > > >lets fight! > > > > nono, i really like EN, but panasonic is poop. i honestly don't > > understand > > why people like them. not at all. we played with them in cleveland > > last > > summer. we saw what they do and heard what comes out of it. whoever: > > their > > live show is MUCH MUCH better than their recorded stuff. but it's > > still not > > very good. > > Yeah i mean i mainly base my views of them on a live gig in sheffield > from about 2.5years ago... but i do enjoy their albums (albeit not > often).... they were absolutely > stunning live imo.. but i can imagine how it could fall apart lie or > just be boring.. > > > it's like they try to impress everyone with their music-less-ness. :) > > > maybe FM Einhart will inject some emotion and grooove into the mix...and > some dirt, > panasonic lack dirt (not that 'clean' digital dirt they use ;-) >

i guess i feel i must speak up for the other side. of what i have of panasonic (kulma & vakio) i love them. i havent had the chance to see them live, but i can see how a live performance has the chance to be _very_ different from their recordings. no, panasonic has no groove. they arent trying to groove. panasonic is minimal (taken to extremes at times) simple, thoughtful, enjoyable, listenable, zen-like, trance-inducing, and it made my friend essej say "this is the only music that i have heard that caused physical pain. please turn it off." im a sucker for art. (does anyone remember the label -danger music-?) --- jeremiah jti0001@jove.acs.unt.edu people.unt.edu/~jti0001 --- excuse me but i just have to explode explode this body off me wake-up tomorrow brand new a little tired but brand new bj?rk

quoted 4 lines trance-inducing, and it made my friend essej say "this is the only

> trance-inducing, and it made my friend essej say "this is the only > music > that i have heard that caused physical pain. please turn it off." >

so, i am not the only one. if you have mikro makro (rastermusic 06 i think) listen to the third song for clicks halfway through that are actually painful at any volume. i have tried this on a couple of friends and they felt pain in their necks and throats. it gave me a headache after repeated listenings. mika vanio has my ultimate respect for being able to tap into my nervous system through a cd. cl