:D
can I hug you?? .... * * *
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.. but, I do admit was considering tatooing an ATARI-logo on my forhead.
seriously.
/!\ATARI - power without the price
robert
Ian Monroe wrote:
quoted 235 lines Now, see, this is what I'm talking about.
>Now, see, this is what I'm talking about.
>
>The Cult of Mac - the Cult of Jobs.
>
>I use both Apple and PC machines, in a variety of capacities, and I've
>used every windows version since 3.1, every macOS version since 7.0, and
>a wide variety of *nix OS's. I currently support a mixed platform
>network that's about 70% PC, 20% mac, and about 10% Debian.
>
>The fact of the matter is that Nicholas pointed out valid problems with
>the Mac platform, and immediately the evangleical mac users rush to
>argue.
>
>I know, from personal experience, that there are large
>incompatabilities, particularly with pre-OSX macs, and other computers.
>There were huge network problems. The Appletalk protocol is one of the
>ugliest, least effiecient protocols around. There's even
>incompatabilites with file systems - Try using a PC to burn a CD of
>files that are stored on an HFS partition. Can't be done.
>
>There IS a premium for apple hardware - you're essentially paying for
>design. And while that may be fine for some people, I find it grossly
>inefficent. The "affordable" eMacs and entry level powerbooks you
>mention are so far back on the hardware curve as to be ridiculous. Your
>$999 powerbook is going to need to be replaced in 2 years, if you hope
>to use anything more computationally advanced that word processing and
>interweb. Your $999 commodity PC laptop has twice that life.
>
>And there are whole categories of problems that come up with Macs that
>simply have no solution, ever. I could name a litany of them that I've
>encountered personally, but I don't want to bore you any further than I
>have already.
>
>But here's the thing that gets me the most. 20% of the machines that I
>support are Macs, and they demand well over half of the support time.
>But every mac user I talk to tries to tell me Macs don't crash. Well,
>they do. All the time. Not as much with OSX, but as far as I'm
>concerned, it's too little too late. I've wasted too much of my life
>troubleshooting arcane Mac problems to be fooled by the rhetoric. And
>what rhetoric! I know a half a dozen people with Apple logos TATOOED on
>their bodies! I don't know any pc users dumb enough to have Microsoft's
>logo indelibly etched into their flesh, do you?
>
>So yeah, I don't like macs. I've got a computer science degree, I use
>and support macs every single day, I know how they work, I understand
>why people like them, but it's all smoke and mirrors as far as I'm
>concerned. I'll be happy to support them, for a premium. But I will
>never, ever buy Apple products for my own use.
>
>My .02
>
>-Ian
>
>
>PS - DRM, no matter how transparent, no matter how well meaning, no
>matter how or why it's implemented, is a tool of the Devil. IMHO.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John/Slackonomics [mailto:slack@slackonomics.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:36 AM
>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [idm] what's wrong with Apple
>
>
>On Nov 1, 2004, at 6:19 PM, Nicholas Bolibruch wrote:
>
>
>
>>I dislike Apple for compatibility reasons.
>>
>>
>
>Name me some of your "compatibility reasons", please. I use both
>Windows and Macintosh and frankly I haven't really come across any of
>your "compatibility reasons" yet. In fact, I find that Windows (or
>rather, Microsoft software) is generally less compatible than Macintosh
>and *Nix is. More Microsoft formats are closed-source, proprietary
>than Apple. Especially now that Apple's operating system is based on
>Unix and runs atop an open source platform.
>
>
>
>>I dislike the theme of Apple being the god-send of a corporation with
>>a mission to crush evil Microsoft. But if they were in a similiar
>>situation as Microsoft, they would be acting in a similiar manner -
>>just like every company does. (if not even worse - since Steve Jobs is
>>somewhat fucked up, if the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley portrays
>>
>>
>him
>
>
>>accurately at all)
>>
>>
>
>The only theme of "Apple being the god-send of a corporation with a
>mission to crush evil Microsoft" is in your head. Nowhere has Apple
>stated that that's their "theme". You have a problem with a certain
>minority of vocal Apple users, not Apple itself, it sounds.
>
>
>
>>I dislike Apple because I associate their products to premium products
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>that do not provide any additional functionality than commodity
>>products. (this can be very subjective obviously - but really I have
>>no personal use for the apparent advantages OS X provides, or any
>>other Apple product) This is especially true for the fact that I
>>cannot afford to pay a premium on any of their products - I would much
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>rather go with a cheaper unpopular competitive product. Technology
>>and consumer devices are expensive and if I can "trim the fat" I will
>>certainly do so.
>>
>>
>
>The Apple eMac is $799, including monitor (well, it's all built-in to
>the monitor). The Apple iBook starts at only $999. What was this
>premium you were referring to again? :)
>
>
>
>>I dislike Apple for the fanboy/girls need to act as if Apple is the
>>only
>>innovative company in the world and that everyone is simply copying
>>them.
>>
>>
>
>There's fanboys for every OS. You can't blame the company and or
>larger platform just because a few users are idiots. I don't think
>that's very fair, do you?
>
>
>
>>I dislike Apple for their support of DRM.
>>
>>
>
>Every online music store to my knowledge uses DRM. Except maybe some
>marginal ones. DRM is unfortunately a necessary evil. Because, as we
>see with stuff like Kazaa and Soulseek, a lot of people will ruin a
>good thing. Apple wasn't the one that wanted to use DRM, it was the
>labels. Do you REALLY think the labels would let the music be released
>without DRM?
>
>Secondly, the DRM is mostly transparent. You can burn unlimited CD-Rs
>of the music you buy on iTunes Music Store. You can copy the tracks to
>an unlimited amount of iPods. You can also copy the music to up to
>FIVE computers you own (or your work computers), including both Mac or
>PC. You can stream the music to your friends/family on your network.
>I don't find the store that restrictive at all (although to be honest,
>I don't use it much since I still prefer to buy music on CD).
>
>If you don't like DRM, then don't use the music store. Simple as that.
> It's just one small aspect of Apple as a business.
>
>
>
>>I dislike Steve Jobs for his "reality-distortion field".
>>
>>
>
>He's a salesman. I think his "reality-distortion field" is kinda funny
>myself. If nothing else, you gotta admit that Steve Jobs has changed
>the computer industry... numerous times.
>
>
>
>>I dislike Apple for their fanboy/girls and their need to defend Apple
>>on
>>every negative comment about Apple or Steve Jobs.
>>
>>
>
>Just like you're making disparaging comments about Apple just now? And
>for the record, I'm a Windows user, too... so don't try lumping me in
>to your little categories.
>
>
>
>>NOTE:
>>I dislike Microsoft even more and for completely different reasons
>>than Apple, and I would probably encourage people who have the money
>>to purchase an Apple computer if they weren't using it to just play
>>games. I even like OS X! The above reasons are similiar reasons to why
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>I also hate the whole nVidia vs. ATi fanboyism. I personally use
>>Linux on commodity PC hardware - but I'm not going to preach to you
>>about it - especially since I know there's hundreds of other Linux
>>geeks who have lost touch with reality long ago that feel the need to
>>preach anyway. So if someone hates company XYZ without stating any
>>reason and are not on the subject of attacking company XYZ, please
>>just accept it and move on with your lives.
>>
>>
>
>Well said. I enjoyed your post, btw. I mean no disrespect or
>animosity in my reply. I just though I'd clarify a different point of
>view. I respect your opinion on the matter and you're certainly
>entitled to everything you said.
>
>--
>
>Mr. Tangent [the binary police]
>www.mrtangent.com
>
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