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1999-10-19 05:19carl juarez Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...
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1999-10-19 20:15William B. Wright Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...
1999-10-20 07:26quentin rogers Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...
1999-10-21 05:03brandon Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...
└─ 1999-10-21 14:58Irene McC Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...
1999-10-21 15:20Dave Segal Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...
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1999-10-19 05:19carl juarez>>absurd logical conclusion. Like >>someone's comment that Kraftwerk are >>"so stiff they'
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quoted 3 lines absurd logical conclusion. Like>>absurd logical conclusion. Like >>someone's comment that Kraftwerk are >>"so stiff they're funky,"
I've heard some live Holger Czukay (founding member, Can, Germany 1970s) stuff that was just like that, real systematic and stiff but somehow you can translate it into a real infectious body rhythm. Very odd. Carl Juarez Heurihermilab: http://www.oz.net/~cjuarez/
1999-10-19 17:41solenoidOn Mon, 18 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote: > >>absurd logical conclusion. Like > >>someone's
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote:
quoted 7 lines absurd logical conclusion. Like> >>absurd logical conclusion. Like > >>someone's comment that Kraftwerk are > >>"so stiff they're funky," > > I've heard some live Holger Czukay (founding member, Can, Germany 1970s) > stuff that was just like that, real systematic and stiff but somehow you > can translate it into a real infectious body rhythm. Very odd.
Hmm, I've always thought of "RAstakraut Pasta" on the Sky label (late 70's Plank and Meobius?) as being like this, and just remembered that Czukay plays on some of those tracks! This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can translate it into a real infectious body rhythm" hits a nerve for me for describing my fascination with drum machines, computerized-shuffle, tape loops, and electronic music in general. This is the kind of topic that makes wading through this list worthwhile for me! Any other music that anyone can recommend that is organic/live/acoustic that has this aspect? Anyone? Anyone?... <ben stein's voice> I can think of some: Robert Gotobed of Wire, Doo Rag (live), Fela Kuti's Africa 70, some runout grooves turned up, some of RRR's 500 locked grooves Solenoid
1999-10-20 00:11carl juarezAt 10.41 -0700 10/19/99, solenoid wrote: >On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote: > >> >>a
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At 10.41 -0700 10/19/99, solenoid wrote:
quoted 13 lines On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote:>On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote: > >> >>absurd logical conclusion. Like >> >>someone's comment that Kraftwerk are >> >>"so stiff they're funky," >> >> I've heard some live Holger Czukay (founding member, Can, Germany 1970s) >> stuff that was just like that, real systematic and stiff but somehow you >> can translate it into a real infectious body rhythm. Very odd. > >Hmm, I've always thought of "RAstakraut Pasta" on the Sky label (late >70's Plank and Meobius?) as being like this, and just remembered that >Czukay plays on some of those tracks!
He's got a good heartbeat shuffle -- perhaps the European equivalent of the bass grooves of Parliament/Funkadelic. Likewise is _Zero Set_ by (?)Mobius/Plank/Neumaier(?) though not quite so infectious as Zazou/Bikaye/Cy1's _Noir et Blanc_, which was further humanized by Bikaye's vocals.
quoted 6 lines This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can>This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can >translate it into a real infectious body rhythm" hits a nerve for me for >describing my fascination with drum machines, computerized-shuffle, tape >loops, and electronic music in general...Any other music that anyone can >recommend that is >organic/live/acoustic that has this aspect?
Miles Davis' _On the Corner_. The cyclic bass is repetitive but breathes also with a human beat. Rhythm instruments in isolation sound almost mathematical in concept -- almost typewriter rhythms -- but it all comes together into quite a groove that can last twenty minutes or more. (Why am I talking like this?) And I second the Fela Kuti. It's not inconceivable that some heavy metal and hardcore punk music would also fit in this area. I recall a Voivod album . . . real chunky rhythms . . . Carl J
1999-10-20 00:47solenoidOn Tue, 19 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote: > >70's Plank and Meobius?) as being like this, an
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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote:
quoted 8 lines 70's Plank and Meobius?) as being like this, and just remembered that> >70's Plank and Meobius?) as being like this, and just remembered that > >Czukay plays on some of those tracks! > > He's got a good heartbeat shuffle -- perhaps the European equivalent of the > bass grooves of Parliament/Funkadelic. Likewise is _Zero Set_ by > (?)Mobius/Plank/Neumaier(?) though not quite so infectious as > Zazou/Bikaye/Cy1's _Noir et Blanc_, which was further humanized by Bikaye's > vocals.
Oh, my retro secret weapon for mix sets! 'Noir et Blanc' is great, I wonder if there are other old gems like this on Crammed in the mid 80's.
quoted 12 lines This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can> >This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can > >translate it into a real infectious body rhythm" hits a nerve for me for > >describing my fascination with drum machines, computerized-shuffle, tape > >loops, and electronic music in general...Any other music that anyone can > >recommend that is > >organic/live/acoustic that has this aspect? > > Miles Davis' _On the Corner_. The cyclic bass is repetitive but breathes > also with a human beat. Rhythm instruments in isolation sound almost > mathematical in concept -- almost typewriter rhythms -- but it all comes > together into quite a groove that can last twenty minutes or more. (Why am > I talking like this?) And I second the Fela Kuti.
Yes, On the Corner has been played a trillion times on my stereo... more!
quoted 2 lines It's not inconceivable that some heavy metal and hardcore punk music would> It's not inconceivable that some heavy metal and hardcore punk music would > also fit in this area. I recall a Voivod album . . . real chunky rhythms .
Hmmm, oh that is good, I'll check it out! I have a voivod-fan friend, actually, maybe he can tell me... Thanks, solenoid
1999-10-19 20:15William B. WrightActually, in the liner notes for the Westbam "We'll Never Stop Living This Way" singles co
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Actually, in the liner notes for the Westbam "We'll Never Stop Living This Way" singles comp that came out recently, it says almost this exact same thing about kraftwerk. And I didn't think I liked straightforward techno before I listened to this comp. This CD is undoubtedly the best thing I've heard all year. And though it is not seemingly funky at all, I can't help but want to dance on nearly every song. I'd highly recommend this, even though it may lack the I of IDM. I was a bit surprised to hear a break in one song (actually, a computer voice says BREAK! before it) that sounds like it could have been sampled off a Pole album, sped up. In fact, some of the stuff on this album (at least 3 songs) remind me of Pan Sonic, or Plastikman. Very minimal, without any extraneous synth washes, etc. Anyone else have comments on this CD?
1999-10-20 07:26quentin rogers> It's not inconceivable that some heavy metal and hardcore punk music would > also fit in
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quoted 2 lines It's not inconceivable that some heavy metal and hardcore punk music would> It's not inconceivable that some heavy metal and hardcore punk music would > also fit in this area. I recall a Voivod album . . . real chunky rhythms .
quite possibly the nothingface album, I believe their last and least "thrashy"... I'd also suggest the bad brains "I and I" album, but maybe more for the dub side of things... ------------------------- quentin rogers http://www.teamlounge.com syntext@teamlounge.com Number of millennia before humans first farmed that farmer ants were farming the spongy fungus on which they feed : 50,000?
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1999-10-21 05:03brandon> > I've heard some live Holger Czukay (founding member, Can, Germany 1970s) > > stuff tha
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quoted 8 lines I've heard some live Holger Czukay (founding member, Can, Germany 1970s)> > I've heard some live Holger Czukay (founding member, Can, Germany 1970s) > > stuff that was just like that, real systematic and stiff but somehow you > > can translate it into a real infectious body rhythm. Very odd. > This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can > translate it into a real infectious body rhythm" hits a nerve for me... > This is the kind of topic that makes wading through this list worthwhile > for me! Any other music that anyone can recommend that is > organic/live/acoustic that has this aspect?
While not completely acoustic nor at all IDM, the fathers of EBM, DAF definitely do this for me. Robert Gorl's drumming over the analog sequencers is soooo yummy. -Brandon -- ___________________________________________________ ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ++Can money pay for all the days+++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++I lived awake but half asleep?+++++++++++ ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ---------------------------------------------------
1999-10-21 14:58Irene McCOn 20 Oct 99, brandon wrote re: Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...: > While not completely acoustic
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On 20 Oct 99, brandon wrote re: Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...:
quoted 2 lines While not completely acoustic nor at all IDM, the fathers of EBM, DAF> While not completely acoustic nor at all IDM, the fathers of EBM, DAF > definitely do this for me.
Dunno. DAF hasn't aged well, imo. I have a few cherished Deutsch Amerikanische Freundshaft albums which I occasionally dust off and give a spin to, but they somehow never live up to my remembered moments of euphoria. And I *loved* them at the time! I *
1999-10-21 15:20Dave Segal>On 20 Oct 99, brandon wrote re: Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...: > >> While not completely acou
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quoted 12 lines On 20 Oct 99, brandon wrote re: Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...:>On 20 Oct 99, brandon wrote re: Re: (idm) RE: so stiff...: > >> While not completely acoustic nor at all IDM, the fathers of EBM, DAF >> definitely do this for me. > >Dunno. DAF hasn't aged well, imo. I have a few cherished >Deutsch Amerikanische Freundshaft albums which I occasionally >dust off and give a spin to, but they somehow never live up to my >remembered moments of euphoria. And I *loved* them at the time! > >I >*
I agree with you to some extent, but _Die Kleinen Und Die Bosen_ still sounds radical, odd and fresh almost 20 years after its release. Speaking of German groups, anyone going to see Faust tonight in Pittsburgh? Dave Segal Managing Editor/Alternative Press Reviews/BPM/Reissue Redux/Origins Of Cool Secret Ions on WCSB Thursdays 9-11PM EST www.wcsb.org np: cobra killer- s/t [dhr]
1999-10-21 15:14laermOn Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Dave Segal wrote: > I agree with you to some extent, but _Die > Klein
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quoted 3 lines I agree with you to some extent, but _Die> I agree with you to some extent, but _Die > Kleinen Und Die Bosen_ still sounds radical, odd > and fresh almost 20 years after its release.
i think the "fun" content of D.A.F. transcends any sort of poor-aged-ness.
quoted 2 lines Speaking of German groups, anyone going to see> Speaking of German groups, anyone going to see > Faust tonight in Pittsburgh?
saw them in philly tuesday night. not a bad show. nothing compared to their tour with the dead c, though... * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# calm down my heart/don't beat so fast/don't be afraid icq:5562209 just once in a lifetime