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Went to the Lamb show last night @the Supper Club in NYC and all I can say is... Wow! They got a upright-bass player & trumpet/percussion guy with them and I thought that it added a lot to their sound. The live players added a nice element of surprise to the wicked beats & sultry vocals. You know I'm amazed that the media is fixated on lame-o's like the Prodigy and not Lamb. I mean, Lamb's got great vocals, good lyrics and great music. The breaks on "Cotton Wool" sound like Photek with a dash of Squarepusher's madness on top of it-- should make any IDMer smile. I don't know of any other group/collaboration that has such a great combination of intelligent beats & sounds mixed with trad. songs... unless you count Bjork + Plaid. Anyways, if Lamb are coming through your town I highly recommend going out to see 'em. And next time you're in a shop find the Gorecki single and give Ear Parcel a spin. Great stuff. Howie

quoted 2 lines You know I'm amazed that the media is fixated on lame-o's like

> You know I'm amazed that the media is fixated on lame-o's like > the Prodigy and not Lamb. I mean, Lamb's got great vocals,

I know I'm in the minority here, but I just can't get into Lamb at all. The problem...the vocals. The singer cannot hold a tune. I would go as far as to say that this isn't just a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. For me, it ruins the cd. What's more, someone could have corrected her limitations. Either they didn't notice, or liked it that way (focusing on a raw sound). Whatever the case, it has seemed to work for them. Don't mean to be negative really, just can't believe it hasn't been brought up before. MC

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Mark Conklin wrote:

quoted 9 lines I know I'm in the minority here, but I just can't get into Lamb at all. The

> I know I'm in the minority here, but I just can't get into Lamb at all. The > problem...the vocals. The singer cannot hold a tune. I would go as far as > to say that this isn't just a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. For > me, it ruins the cd. What's more, someone could have corrected her > limitations. Either they didn't notice, or liked it that way (focusing on a > raw sound). Whatever the case, it has seemed to work for them. > > Don't mean to be negative really, just can't believe it hasn't been brought > up before.

My gut reaction: Can't hold a tune????? What the fuck do you want? Barbara Streisand? My rational reaction: Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. However, could you provide an example of vocals that you think are up to snuff? Don't mean to flame or insult you. This is a very subjective area and I'd just like to see what you think is good & proper. Howie

Has anyone actually listened to all or most of the new triphoppers? Let's see, I can think of a few off the top of my head--Moloko, Lamb, Sneaker Pimps, hooverphonic, Morcheeba. If you have, can you do a run-down, with short reviews, etc.? And can you compare them to Tricky and Portishead so i'll have a reference point? There are just so many of them--any help distinguishing would be much appreciated. Sam

KaisrSolze@aol.com wrote:

quoted 13 lines Has anyone actually listened to all or most of the new triphoppers?

> Has anyone actually listened to all or most of the new triphoppers? > Let's > see, I can think of a few off the top of my head--Moloko, Lamb, > Sneaker > Pimps, hooverphonic, Morcheeba. If you have, can you do a run-down, > with > short reviews, etc.? And can you compare them to Tricky and > Portishead so > i'll have a reference point? There are just so many of them--any help > > distinguishing would be much appreciated. > > Sam

Morcheeba is amazing. It is Tricky-esque, but less nebulous than his "Nearly God" type stuff i.e., it has beats, hooks etc.). I Hate to get redundant with my comparisons, but its less heroin saturated than Tricky sounds. Moloko is kinda like what the Tom -Tom Club would sound like if they formed this year and were even more funky...a lot of fun with a side of Parliament. GREAT production and a consistent record. I'm not familiar enough with Hooverphonic to make a recommendation yet. I like the Sneaker Pimps, but find myself going more for the remixes and "B" sides than the US full length release.I haven't made up my mind on Lamb; many people love them, but it just hasn't grabbed me yet. The Portishead and Tricky records are more dark and and heavy than anything you've mentioned. Morcheeba would be the closest thing to them you've suggested, but again, they're somewhat different animals. No question that they show signs of Phead/Tr. influence, though. Baby Fox is like that, but lighter yet. Moloko is another category, IMHO - but a must own, nonetheless. If I were you, I'd grab the Sneaker Pimp singles ( BTW, I AM limited to cds), the Morcheeba and the Moloko anyway. jeff

Gonzi (Fresh) wrote:

quoted 18 lines Ahhh, this is the sort of music now in heavy rotation on Jason Bentley's

> Ahhh, this is the sort of music now in heavy rotation on Jason Bentley's > once interesting metropolis radio show here in LA on KCRW. In a word: > boring. Sorry Lamb fans (hey brock, don't you like the sneaker pimps?). > Basically all the acts you mentioned here are perpetuating some > variation of the trademark Bristol trip-hop sound that originated in > the late eighties/early ninties from the work of the Wild Bunch dj crew > which spun off into such acts as Massive Attack, Portishead and of > course Tricky's solo stuff (there is actually a book about the bristol > trip-hop music scene, can you believe it?). I mean the massives and > tricky are pretty fluffy to begin with but moorcheeba and the sneaker > pimps take it to a whole nother level. I say enjoy your copy of blue > lines and save for a remix or two (autechre & fillas Lamb mixes) forget > about these watered down 2nd wave trip-popers. If you're set on hearing > new stuff in the same vein you may want to check out some of the > releases on Cup of Tea records. There is a compilation available > domesitcally on Quango (back to Jason Bentley again!). Oh, btw, Jason > Bentley is leaving quango to take an A&R post at Maverick so they can > find themselves another Prodigy. I love LA.

Nah, I really couldn't give two shits about the stinker pimps. They had one OK song and that was about it. And speaking of Maverick, I heard your dad like the Prodigy! I've been waiting for the right moment to sneak a copy of Hard Normal Daddy in my folks CD changer...I know they'll be hooked. Which reminds me of a stupid little story. A few weeks ago, my boss had a party at his house...Earlier in the day everyone was giving me shit, saying that he had hired a moble DJ for the party for $450. So I figured, this guy will have a few CD players, right? I packed a few of my fav CD's in my bag that night and went to the party figuring that I could lock the guy in the closet and play some good music. Got to the party and there was no DJ, but continuous Perl Jam, Billy Ray Mullet, rush, etc in the disk changer. My partner in crime, Mike, and I ripped that crap out of the changer and dropped in Amon Tobin 'Bricolage', Squarepusher 'Hard Normal Daddy', Plug 'D&B for Papa', We 'as is' and Panacea (Low Profile Darkness!). We set the changer on random and ran outside to watch all the drunk old farts freakout. Well the changer was quite nice to them and played mainly Amon and Tom J. The people were digging it! Then some stupid cow pulled them all out and put in the Grosse Point Blank Soundtrack! So I ran back in, slammed in the Torque 'Ed Rush mix' and turned the fucker wide open. That got 'em! People were running around screaming... someone fell in the pool... some other poor idiot barfed over the balcony! Fuck 'em! True story! peace out, brock. np: Beatles - 'white album'

quoted 4 lines Has anyone actually listened to all or most of the new triphoppers? Let's

> Has anyone actually listened to all or most of the new triphoppers? Let's > see, I can think of a few off the top of my head--Moloko, Lamb, Sneaker > Pimps, hooverphonic, Morcheeba. >

Ahhh, this is the sort of music now in heavy rotation on Jason Bentley's once interesting metropolis radio show here in LA on KCRW. In a word: boring. Sorry Lamb fans (hey brock, don't you like the sneaker pimps?). Basically all the acts you mentioned here are perpetuating some variation of the trademark Bristol trip-hop sound that originated in the late eighties/early ninties from the work of the Wild Bunch dj crew which spun off into such acts as Massive Attack, Portishead and of course Tricky's solo stuff (there is actually a book about the bristol trip-hop music scene, can you believe it?). I mean the massives and tricky are pretty fluffy to begin with but moorcheeba and the sneaker pimps take it to a whole nother level. I say enjoy your copy of blue lines and save for a remix or two (autechre & fillas Lamb mixes) forget about these watered down 2nd wave trip-popers. If you're set on hearing new stuff in the same vein you may want to check out some of the releases on Cup of Tea records. There is a compilation available domesitcally on Quango (back to Jason Bentley again!). Oh, btw, Jason Bentley is leaving quango to take an A&R post at Maverick so they can find themselves another Prodigy. I love LA. Godbless, _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/fresh.htm

about lamb/vox: I had three phases with this record: first-listen reaction was 'damn, these odd vocals interrupt.' i.e., in Ren&Stimpsonese, 'no sir, I don't like it.' second-listen reaction was 'well, it's kinda like sinead o'connor when she's shifting between notes, just throughout the whole melody. hmm.' third-listen reaction was 'to hell with sinead. gimme more. and fast.' de gustibus non est disputandum (or something like that) in any event, if someone out there in IDMland had to buy the 'gold' and/or 'cotton wool' singles only to discover that Lamb's not their cuppa starbucks, let me know. desperately seeking both in any format. =-=-=-=signifier over signified signing off=-=-=-=

gonzi wrote:

quoted 3 lines I say enjoy your copy of blue

> I say enjoy your copy of blue > lines and save for a remix or two (autechre & fillas Lamb mixes) forget > about these watered down 2nd wave trip-popers

enjoyed blue lines back then. and now. undisputed classic. but check out the nature of the breakneck breaks on the LP version of 'cotton wool' -- abstract enough to make our beluv'd 33.3/45 revolutionary sweetheart, tom j., blush. imo, bien sur. and let us not forget that the wild bunch gave birth, in a way, to soul II soul. for whatever that means. =-=-=-=signifier over signified signing off=-=-=-=

quoted 2 lines lines and save for a remix or two (autechre & fillas Lamb mixes) forget

> > lines and save for a remix or two (autechre & fillas Lamb mixes) forget > > about these watered down 2nd wave trip-popers

What single is the Autechre remix on? I have the "gorecki" single w/ filla brazilia rmx, but no ae...? Bill -- f u t u r e listening radio show - hosted by dj marathon t h u r s d a y 10pm-1am o n wmtu 91.9 fm e l e c t r o n i c m u s i c * w i t h * s o u l http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~wdvanloo/personal/

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, William D. VanLoo wrote:

quoted 5 lines lines and save for a remix or two (autechre & fillas Lamb mixes) forget

> > > lines and save for a remix or two (autechre & fillas Lamb mixes) forget > > > about these watered down 2nd wave trip-popers > > What single is the Autechre remix on? I have the "gorecki" single w/ filla > brazilia rmx, but no ae...?

whoa, is this as in Henri K. Gorecki? (estonian?) composer?

quoted 10 lines Bill

> > Bill > > -- > f u t u r e listening radio show - hosted by dj marathon > t h u r s d a y 10pm-1am o n wmtu 91.9 fm > e l e c t r o n i c m u s i c * w i t h * s o u l > > http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~wdvanloo/personal/ >

__ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ gil yaker / orbital@hazmat.com

I remember reading that it was somehow inspired by Henri Gorecki, but I don't know exactly how. I think the interview/article I read said it was some sort of re-interpretation of a piece he did? Bill

quoted 24 lines What single is the Autechre remix on? I have the "gorecki" single w/ filla

> > What single is the Autechre remix on? I have the "gorecki" single w/ filla > > brazilia rmx, but no ae...? > > whoa, is this as in Henri K. Gorecki? (estonian?) composer? > > > > > > Bill > > > > -- > > f u t u r e listening radio show - hosted by dj marathon > > t h u r s d a y 10pm-1am o n wmtu 91.9 fm > > e l e c t r o n i c m u s i c * w i t h * s o u l > > > > http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~wdvanloo/personal/ > > > > __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > > > gil yaker / orbital@hazmat.com > >

-- f u t u r e listening radio show - hosted by dj marathon t h u r s d a y 10pm-1am o n wmtu 91.9 fm e l e c t r o n i c m u s i c * w i t h * s o u l http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~wdvanloo/personal/

At 10:08 -0400 24.07.97, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines I remember reading that it was somehow inspired by Henri Gorecki, but I

>I remember reading that it was somehow inspired by Henri Gorecki, but I >don't know exactly how. I think the interview/article I read said it was >some sort of re-interpretation of a piece he did? >

Sounds like the string samples may be of a Gorecki piece. Full of Euro melancholy. 3

quoted 8 lines Basically all the acts you mentioned here are perpetuating some

> Basically all the acts you mentioned here are perpetuating some > variation of the trademark Bristol trip-hop sound that originated in > the late eighties/early ninties from the work of the Wild Bunch dj > crew > which spun off into such acts as Massive Attack, Portishead and of > course Tricky's solo stuff (there is actually a book about the bristol > > trip-hop music scene, can you believe it?).

Yeah Gonzi i can! sounds like you wrote it!!!!!!!!!!! doh! Steve /k/./F/

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, William D. VanLoo wrote:

quoted 2 lines What single is the Autechre remix on? I have the "gorecki" single w/ filla

> What single is the Autechre remix on? I have the "gorecki" single w/ filla > brazilia rmx, but no ae...?

Gil Yaker <orbital@hazmat.com> then wrote:

quoted 1 line whoa, is this as in Henri K. Gorecki? (estonian?) composer?

>whoa, is this as in Henri K. Gorecki? (estonian?) composer?

wdvanloo@mtu.edu (William D. VanLoo) replied:

quoted 3 lines I remember reading that it was somehow inspired by Henri Gorecki, but I

>I remember reading that it was somehow inspired by Henri Gorecki, but I >don't know exactly how. I think the interview/article I read said it was >some sort of re-interpretation of a piece he did?

The song is a tribute to Polish composer, Henryk Gorecki (b. 1933) and was inspired by his post-classical outings. Andy sampled and rearranged parts of Gorecki's work (possibly his Symphony #3, his most renouned piece) and layered them into the track. It can be heard in the background, and I'm still trying to figure out exactly which bits were used (If anyone knows, please post it). Supposedly, this track took forever to create, because of it's complexity, and when remix single time came, the band didn't want the song touched, hence no actual remix of "Gorecki" on the release. -Patrick