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a question on Warpnet: i've been having trouble getting the page to run on my mac--the bleeper seems to be causing problems, every time i pass my cursor over the graphic, i get a java error. so i can't get beyond the first page to the real home page. mac users, any suggestions? do i need to turn on/off an extension? thanks, phil philiphughsherburne brownudeptofenglish *providenceriusofa* 401 .453 .4116 -->our ears are now in excellent condition --john cage

On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:29:25 GMT, you wrote:

quoted 6 lines Hi Folks,

>Hi Folks, > >Just had an trawl 'round Warpnet and its very pretty 'n all but all >the questions I had remain unanswered. Can anyone out there help? > >1. When was Clonk's Coming released?

14 January 1991

quoted 1 line 2. Did anything other than Pulp get released on 'Gift'?

>2. Did anything other than Pulp get released on 'Gift'?

yes. 'V' and 'Various Vegetables'. warp-net is a warp site not a gift site. I believe their is a gift dicog floating around somewhere, why don't you find it.

quoted 3 lines 3. Why Sabresonic II? I know that Weatherall was unhappy with

>3. Why Sabresonic II? I know that Weatherall was unhappy with >Sabresonic saying that on reflection its boring (I agree). I presume >that Sabresonic II is an attempt to rectify that. Is this the case?

huh huh.

quoted 1 line If so has Sabresonic been deleted?

>If so has Sabresonic been deleted?

yes.

quoted 1 line 4. How many Jimi Tenor 7"s are there

>4. How many Jimi Tenor 7"s are there

500 Uk 500 world 7"s and the same for the CDs

quoted 2 lines and how many 10"s of 'Outa

>and how many 10"s of 'Outa >Space' will be available?

as many as you want.

quoted 5 lines And a couple of tangentially Warp related questions to finish:

>And a couple of tangentially Warp related questions to finish: > >5. NME reckoned that Global Goon had sold more copies than the >'Richard D. James LP'. Can this be the case or is it the usual inkie >bullshit?

i think it's unlikely, but who knows and more to the point cares. sales don't affect the music on a record. which is not to say the reverse is not true.

quoted 3 lines The new Warpnet has its good points, for example the inclusion of

>The new Warpnet has its good points, for example the inclusion of >videos and some funny and informative stuff in the file section but >I still think that it is a triumph of style over content.

erm, there is no content there yet so it is not surprising.

quoted 2 lines No release dates, artist credits or track times in the

>No release dates, artist credits or track times in the >discography.

the site puter togetherer decided no one in the real world would be anal enough to want all those details. we will probably put up release dates but I have never really figured out a use for track times.

quoted 1 line No way of printing off a discography.

>No way of printing off a discography.

we are going to produce an ascii version.

quoted 3 lines No info on the

>No info on the >numbers available of the recent limited editions (this matters 'cos >if its only a few I'll order something, if its over a thousand

nothings ever less than a thousand apart from maybe that one sided sabres 7"

quoted 2 lines Its no use to the

>Its no use to the >trainspotter. Its too specific

????

quoted 2 lines and too full of in jokes to be of

>and too full of in jokes to be of >casual interest.

????

quoted 1 line Who is it for?

>Who is it for?

probably the hundreds of people who say they like it. content is something I will be building up over the next few months/years these things don't happen overnight I probably devote <2% of my work time to it at the moment. things to expect over the next few months are a working live chat by end of next week, lot's of sound, news, artist contributions, a threaded message post so it will be useful etc etc. we are planning to have full details and samples of each new release up on the site a week before the release date. g.

quoted 6 lines No release dates, artist credits or track times in the

> >No release dates, artist credits or track times in the > >discography. > > the site puter togetherer decided no one in the real world would be > anal enough to want all those details. we will probably put up release > dates but I have never really figured out a use for track times.

besides, you put up the cover, the title, a sound sample, release dates, artist credits, tracktimes, full discography why would you bother buying the record in the first fucking place? you wanna be that anal, go for it, but expecting anyone to do the same is completely ridiculous... mb

Hi Greg (and Folks), Thanks for the info and the questions answered.

quoted 5 lines 2. Did anything other than Pulp get released on 'Gift'?

> >2. Did anything other than Pulp get released on 'Gift'? > > yes. 'V' and 'Various Vegetables'. warp-net is a warp site not a gift > site. I believe their is a gift dicog floating around somewhere, why > don't you find it.

Don't get prickly! Gift was part of Warp so its not unreasonable to try the Warp site first as a source of info. The second most reliable source of info on Warp (and related) is the IDM list. I was only asking.

quoted 4 lines and how many 10"s of 'Outa

> >and how many 10"s of 'Outa > >Space' will be available? > > as many as you want.

I'll only want one. Is it *not* a limited edition then?

quoted 7 lines 5. NME reckoned that Global Goon had sold more copies than the

> >5. NME reckoned that Global Goon had sold more copies than the > >'Richard D. James LP'. Can this be the case or is it the usual inkie > >bullshit? > > i think it's unlikely, but who knows and more to the point cares. > sales don't affect the music on a record. which is not to say the > reverse is not true.

I couldn't give a shit about how many records by these artists get sold. It has no bearing on whether I like them or not. I just thought it was a peculiar thing for NME to have claimed. Again, who else am I going to ask but the IDM list (with its official representatives of both labels as subscribers)? I'm just idly curious... <Warpnet moans>

quoted 6 lines No release dates, artist credits or track times in the

> >No release dates, artist credits or track times in the > >discography. > > the site puter togetherer decided no one in the real world would be > anal enough to want all those details. we will probably put up release > dates but I have never really figured out a use for track times.

Ha, ha! This had me chuckling. Have you seen Fresh's discogs?!? There are *many* people on this list anal enough to be concerned about these things! Me for one! I admit that track times might be taking it a little far but asking for artist credits and release dates isn't unreasonable given the amount of interest shown in the label by this list. The other day a friend of mine played me a promo of the Symplectic single. I liked it and wondered when it came out, who was behind it, whether they'd done anything else under different names. Nothing too anal. I looked it up on Warpnet, clicked on the little picture of the sleeve and got... a big picture of the sleeve with a tracklisting I'd already seen. Hmmm.

quoted 3 lines No way of printing off a discography.

> >No way of printing off a discography. > > we are going to produce an ascii version.

Cheers. That will be much appreciated.

quoted 6 lines No info on the

> >No info on the > >numbers available of the recent limited editions (this matters 'cos > >if its only a few I'll order something, if its over a thousand > > nothings ever less than a thousand apart from maybe that one sided > sabres 7"

Yeah, but you just said that there were only 500 Jimi Tenor 7" singles *in the UK* which effectively means to me only 500 available, despite knowing that there are a thousand in total. This is the sort of occasion where I would like to know in order to secure a copy. By the way, any list members in my area (Leeds, UK): Way Ahead had a couple of copies of it left yesterday.

quoted 9 lines Its no use to the

> >Its no use to the > >trainspotter. Its too specific > > ???? > > >and too full of in jokes to be of > >casual interest. > > ????

What I meant was that its not specific and detailed enough to satiate the trainspotter (see Fresh's discogs for an example of how to do that) but its still full of Designers Republic/Warp in-jokes. Its like walking into Eastern Bloc: obviously cool and well designed but unless you know the guys behind the counter its not going to make much sense and going to feel excluding.

quoted 3 lines Who is it for?

> >Who is it for? > > probably the hundreds of people who say they like it.

Fair enough. To torture the metaphor a little more: Eastern Bloc sells a lot of records. It's certainly refereshingly different to other officially sanctioned commercial sites: its good.

quoted 7 lines content is something I will be building up over the next few

> content is something I will be building up over the next few > months/years these things don't happen overnight I probably devote <2% > of my work time to it at the moment. things to expect over the next > few months are a working live chat by end of next week, lot's of > sound, news, artist contributions, a threaded message post so it will > be useful etc etc. we are planning to have full details and samples of > each new release up on the site a week before the release date.

All sounds great. I'll be visiting frequently I'm sure. I *do* appreciate the work that goes into these things. Grumpy Rob ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------- 'Drum Machines - hell, you just programme the motherfucker, press a button, you got that "bim, bam, boom" twenty four hours a day if you want it. You want it to stop? Press another button! Synthesizers too. I love 'em!' - Miles Davis, 1986

On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:50:26 GMT, you wrote:

quoted 11 lines Hi Greg (and Folks),

>Hi Greg (and Folks), > >Thanks for the info and the questions answered. > >> >2. Did anything other than Pulp get released on 'Gift'? >> >> yes. 'V' and 'Various Vegetables'. warp-net is a warp site not a gift >> site. I believe their is a gift dicog floating around somewhere, why >> don't you find it. > >Don't get prickly! Gift was part of Warp

not really. it was run by the same guys that run warp, that's about all. the two labels have nothing else in common musically or otherwise.

quoted 2 lines so its not unreasonable to

>so its not unreasonable to >try the Warp site first as a source of info.

gift is nonfunctional. we do not glory (ho ho) in the past.

quoted 6 lines and how many 10"s of 'Outa

>> >and how many 10"s of 'Outa >> >Space' will be available? >> >> as many as you want. > >I'll only want one. Is it *not* a limited edition then?

not any more. this is the danger of releasing info early. things change. and then people start to wonder why... :)

quoted 3 lines I couldn't give a shit about how many records by these artists get

>I couldn't give a shit about how many records by these artists get >sold. It has no bearing on whether I like them or not. I just >thought it was a peculiar thing for NME to have claimed.

indeed. NME claims many peculiar things.

quoted 8 lines No release dates, artist credits or track times in the

>> >No release dates, artist credits or track times in the >> >discography. >> >> the site puter togetherer decided no one in the real world would be >> anal enough to want all those details. we will probably put up release >> dates but I have never really figured out a use for track times. > >Ha, ha! This had me chuckling. Have you seen Fresh's discogs?!?

what you mean my squarepusher discography and christopher miller's aphex discography?

quoted 11 lines There

>There >are *many* people on this list anal enough to be concerned about >these things! Me for one! I admit that track times might be taking >it a little far but asking for artist credits and release dates isn't >unreasonable given the amount of interest shown in the label by this >list. The other day a friend of mine played me a promo of the Symplectic >single. I liked it and wondered when it came out, who was behind it, >whether they'd done anything else under different names. Nothing too >anal. I looked it up on Warpnet, clicked on the little picture of >the sleeve and got... a big picture of the sleeve with a tracklisting >I'd already seen. Hmmm.

yes brilliant. likesay we will be adding relevant information onto the discography as and when we have the time. in a bizarre way my original warp discography started way back in '92/'93 whenever it was is the reason I work for warp now so I will not forget it but I have other priorities now (fortunately).

quoted 4 lines Yeah, but you just said that there were only 500 Jimi Tenor 7"

>Yeah, but you just said that there were only 500 Jimi Tenor 7" >singles *in the UK* which effectively means to me only 500 available, >despite knowing that there are a thousand in total. This is the sort >of occasion where I would like to know in order to secure a copy.

*sharpintakeofbreath* what you mean you don't advance order every warp release? :) yes this is an area I have being trying to address for some time unfortunately the limitedness of releases is not always easy to ascertain (see above).

quoted 13 lines Its no use to the

>> >Its no use to the >> >trainspotter. Its too specific >> >> ???? >> >> >and too full of in jokes to be of >> >casual interest. >> >> ???? > >What I meant was that its not specific and detailed enough to satiate >the trainspotter (see Fresh's discogs for an example of how to do >that)

I am well capable of satiating a trainspotter *koff koff* (bizarrely - chatting with CiM today we decided that although we though we were pretty anal in our day we have nothing on people like Gonzi (not to encourage you mate at all) nowadays) but the majority of people (which is not the IDM list) do not give a shit about track times so trainspotters have to wait.

quoted 1 line but its still full of Designers Republic/Warp in-jokes.

>but its still full of Designers Republic/Warp in-jokes.

sorry I don't get the 'in-joke' bit. DR/Warp have never really been in to in jokes. if anything we're out-joke people. is the blech CD cover an in-joke?

quoted 4 lines Its

>Its >like walking into Eastern Bloc: obviously cool and well designed but >unless you know the guys behind the counter its not going to make >much sense and going to feel excluding.

a bit like the warp shop used to be then ;) this is definitely not what warp is about we all hate that sort of thing. we are reasonable people. g.