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2000-03-22 16:57Diana Potts...seems like a good 'first baby steps' kinda article. my only beef is that the author dec

From:: Diana Potts <dianalynn80@hotmail.com>
To:: <johbus@allmusic.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>, <313@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:57:32 PST
Subject:: (idm) Re: (313) NY Times Electronic Article

...seems like a good 'first baby steps' kinda article. my only beef is that the author decided on Basement Jaxx as the highlight artist for house...IMO Basement Jaxx's tracks have less soul in their pinkie finger compared to the likes of KDJ, Terrence Parker or even the early Jon A./Definitive Tracks...not to mention planetE releases. But perhaps those are left better untouched/tainted. Not to mention, with all due respect to Mr.Hawtin, there are OTHER detroit techno artists besides the said 4 and him...coughAlanOldham...and others that its about time people learned about. 1month&coutning Diana George Bush Jr. is a moron ::icq::30793657 aol::pottsdia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-03-22 17:51AeOtaku@aol.comIn a message dated 3/22/00 11:58:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, dianalynn80@hotmail.com writ

From:: <AeOtaku@aol.com>
To:: <dianalynn80@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>, <313@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:51:59 EST
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: (313) NY Times Electronic Article

In a message dated 3/22/00 11:58:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, dianalynn80@hotmail.com writes: << Not to mention, with all due respect to Mr.Hawtin, there are OTHER detroit techno artists besides the said 4 and him...coughAlanOldham...and others that its about time people learned about.

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I think that people on this list are always going to complain when somebody like the NY Times does an article because there's no way they're going to get it right and we should be happy that they're talking about half decent electronic music at all....BUT this brings up the fine topic of why Mr. Hawtin is mentioned as the pioneer. Not to take away from Mr. Hawtin, but is it perhaps because he's white? After all, every other Detroit artist of note from that period is black. Atkins, May, Saunderson, Larkin, Banks, Craig, Mills, Hood, Deason, Baxter, Oldham, etc. etc. I like some of the old FUSE and Plus 8 stuff myself, but, you know, wouldn't Carl Craig or Mad Mike be a more appropriate choice? They seem to epitomize the Detroit sound both then and now and were originators, innovators and elevators throughout the past dozen years. Richie Hawtin started a couple years after these guys, wasn't as directly involved in the scene and as far as I can gather from this far away wasn't even liked by some of the people in Detroit, and most of his best early stuff as FUSE et al. seems indebted to Underground Resistance, Metroplex, Chicago acid, etc. That doesn't mean it is bad or his accomplishments should be doubted, but it does seem a stretch to call him a pioneer....rather call him a skilled producer with good taste. Matt np: Psyche - Evolution (yeah buddy!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-03-28 12:22Kelley HackettHaaa....haaa.........U said it fella!..... and its damn funny how this Hawtin got mentione

From:: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu>
To:: <Hansolo_sf@excite.com>, <johbus@allmusic.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Cc:: <phred@teleport.com>
Date:: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:22:38 -0500
Subject:: (idm) RE: (313) NY Times Electronic Article

Haaa....haaa.........U said it fella!..... and its damn funny how this Hawtin got mentioned without any of the other Giants, who are AFRICAN AMERICAN! Of course as you mentioned, what should we expect from the times......ohhh but I better not get controversial........booooo hoooo or the list will ignore me.....(of course I am sure this is the way many of you are in real life.....)! Hk! -----Original Message----- From: hans kaufmann [mailto:Hansolo_sf@excite.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 2:25 PM To: Diana Potts; johbus@allmusic.com; idm@hyperreal.org; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) NY Times Electronic Article It's almost annoying to see so many posts on a lame ass NY Times article. We all have noticed how utterly retarted the "Rave" scene has become (or always was in my opinion). But Techno (and all ther sub-genres because I refuse to use that god forsaken Electronica word) in general is now an officially established ass sucking mainstream phenomenom and it has been progressing that way for years. And if you'll take a short look back into history you'll see what occurs whenever any music based "Scene" become a mainstream chunk of popular culture (punk, Disco, even late 80's Hair metal). YOU GET SHIT AND IT DIES OFF INTO OBSCURITY! The desperation and the heart are lost from the music and all the bandwagon hoppers make it annoying for the "old schoolers" to go out to hear what they love. Money and record labels have forced it's way into it and it's impossible for any of us to go see if say Jeff Mills still has it or if he sucks now (I'm curious) but his goddamn fees are too much, so I doubt I'll ever know. Who the fuck cares if so and so get's the recognition they deserve, they are artists and the fact that there is this list devoted to knowing what color every Detroit Dj's shoe's were at such and such show should let you know that they get true recognition from those who know. FUCK the Mainstream Media-it's all lies anyway. Fuck the suck ass Dj's and Producer's who get huge off a name or a cheesy MTV track (or showing some tit like DJ Rap). I'm gettin annoyed as fuck by hearing a shitty jungle track on every car commercial or Pantene Pro V's House tracks. But hey it's ultra popular and the quality is dying for the sake of quantity and you'll keep gettin more and more nostalgic. I could go on bitching forever but won't cause I have to work. So in Closing Fuck the New York Times. Instead of bitching on this list why don't we go write the truth and spread it. Otherwise just sit back and watch it all suck worse and worse until you wake up one day telling you kids what is was like to be a Raver in the 90's (like your friends Hippy mom did about the 60's) Hans On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:57:32 PST, Diana Potts wrote:

quoted 2 lines ...seems like a good 'first baby steps' kinda article. my only beef is

> > ...seems like a good 'first baby steps' kinda article. my only beef is

that

quoted 1 line the author decided on Basement Jaxx as the highlight artist for

> the author decided on Basement Jaxx as the highlight artist for

house...IMO

quoted 1 line Basement Jaxx's tracks have less soul in their pinkie finger compared to

> Basement Jaxx's tracks have less soul in their pinkie finger compared to

the

quoted 2 lines likes of KDJ, Terrence Parker or even the early Jon A./Definitive

> likes of KDJ, Terrence Parker or even the early Jon A./Definitive > Tracks...not to mention planetE releases. But perhaps those are left

better

quoted 1 line untouched/tainted. Not to mention, with all due respect to Mr.Hawtin,

> untouched/tainted. Not to mention, with all due respect to Mr.Hawtin,

there

quoted 2 lines are OTHER detroit techno artists besides the said 4 and

> are OTHER detroit techno artists besides the said 4 and > him...coughAlanOldham...and others that its about time people learned

about.

quoted 16 lines 1month&coutning

> > 1month&coutning > Diana > > > > > > > > George Bush Jr. is a moron > ::icq::30793657 > aol::pottsdia > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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2000-03-29 16:28Walker>From: hans kaufmann [mailto:Hansolo_sf@excite.com] >Subject: Re: (313) NY Times Electroni

From:: Walker <walker@mediasculp.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:28:54 +0200
Subject:: (idm) Re: (313) NY Times Electronic Article

quoted 12 lines From: hans kaufmann [mailto:Hansolo_sf@excite.com]

>From: hans kaufmann [mailto:Hansolo_sf@excite.com] >Subject: Re: (313) NY Times Electronic Article > >It's almost annoying to see so many posts on a lame ass NY Times article. >We all have noticed how utterly retarted the "Rave" scene has become (or >always was in my opinion). But Techno (and all ther sub-genres because I >refuse to use that god forsaken Electronica word) in general is now an >officially established ass sucking mainstream phenomenom and it has been >progressing that way for years. And if you'll take a short look back into >history you'll see what occurs whenever any music based "Scene" become a >mainstream chunk of popular culture (punk, Disco, even late 80's Hair >metal). YOU GET SHIT AND IT DIES OFF INTO OBSCURITY!

Hi Hans and others who are interested in this subjects, who cares about mainstream etc. Actually I did a few years ago but it wasn't worth getting upset about (just don't buy that crap and avoid those parties). As long as you believe in your music and as long as you are active in making and promoting it (organising parties etc.), it will not die. And the difference to your examples of other music styles is, that today many different styles and cultures exist simultaneously and some of the old ones like punk came back and found their place in the diversive world of music cultures. Regarding IDM and the music it stands for, I am not worried at all. IDM music was never really commercial mainstream music (with a few exceptions) and therefore it won't be affected by mainstream trends that much. The sub-culture "techno" has grown up, many producers are now between 30 and 40. So you might see it "die off" somewhat as a youth culture for a while, until the next generation of teenagers who is looking for something "different". Not being a trend any more also has the advantage of opening new creative spaces. Greetings, Harald Walker -- http://www.mediasculp.com http://www.wicked-world.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

(idm) RE: (313) NY Times Electronic Article