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>> Chris Hopcroft asks: PC or Mac?

quoted 5 lines RB: Both. Mostly Mac, just for convenience and quality. The build is

>> RB: Both. Mostly Mac, just for convenience and quality. The build is >> better. But it's not as customisable. With a PC, if you're a real geek >> you can get ahead of everyone with loads of components. Apple is cased >> in concrete, but it is concrete nonetheless and you can rely on that >> sometimes.

quoted 4 lines And that's just funny. True, too. One of the most concise analyses

> And that's just funny. True, too. One of the most concise analyses > I've seen of the differences between PC and Mac. PCs offer a lot of > freedom, but also a lot of risk, sometimes too much of both. Macs offer > a known, familiar reliability, but that can also be stifling.

quoted 4 lines It mirrors my own experience with switching. I've lost all the

> It mirrors my own experience with switching. I've lost all the > headaches I had from my PC days of worrying about compatibility and > security, but I've gained headaches from not being able to run certain > software and games.

quoted 1 line *sigh*

> *sigh*

As someone who also recently switched, i've not run into this 'wall' yet. I mean I got my powerbook for some very specific tasks: video editing in iMovie, djing in Traktor, messing with tracks in Ableton Live, and possibily doing a spot of web development while on the road. But as I've explored the new mac, I've been working on seeing if I couldn't use it to mirror and eventually replace my PC workstation.... so far most programs I've been able to replace, standard fare like FTP programs and the like.... but even those took a while to find. We'll see where this platform ends up in the pantheon of my computer use.... it's a little early to say now. - eric m. On 4/20/05, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:

quoted 76 lines esa ruoho wrote:

> > esa ruoho wrote: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A3895806 > [snip] > > > > Toni Ahvenainen asks: How do Autechre know when their idea is "finished > > music" ready to be published, and when not? > > RB: We try and see a track through to its end. Some tracks just end up > > getting shelved if we can't agree, and some tracks will stand the test > > of time. We'll pull them off the shelf and say, "Yeah that's really > > good." But it's unlikely that tracks like that will end up on the album. > > Albums tend to be tracks worked on from one day to the very end, even if > > it's over a period of a year or two. > > You know, this really summarizes the changeup in their career for me. > > I feel like, from Incunabula up to, somewhere between LP5 and Confield, > (perhaps including LP5 and perhaps not) - it seems that their tracks are > really finished compositions that "stand the test of time". I pull > those albums and EPs out and listen and think "Yeah that's really good." > > Somewhere after that, however, while I can still appreciate the music, > it sounds more like experiments they were still working on up until the > day the album was released. It's awesome, interesting stuff - even > visceral and emotional - but on a very different level. It grows on me, > but in a very different way, and when I want to listen to it again it's > much less often than their older work and for different reasons. > > So it definitely feels to me like their earlier stuff are "classic > compositions" and their later stuff is "works in progress from the > experimental lab of Autechre." And it struck me that they sort of > recognize that themselves, that there are some tracks that they "finish" > and others they don't, and that the stuff they kept working on is what > goes on the albums. I wonder if that's changed in the past 5-6 years or > if it's always been that way. In other words, I wonder if it's them or > me - if they've changed how they create and release music, or if it's > just a threshold in my own psychology - maybe I am just incapable of > perceiving music beyond a certain level as being a finished whole, a > complete composition. Maybe I'm just tied down by what I'm used to from > musical tradition and convention. > > Interesting to ponder, but pointless unless I can ask them if they used > to once upon a time release their "finished" tracks or if even on Amber > they were slapping together the album from music they were working on up > until the deadline. Until the day I can ask them that, I'm stuck with > approaching their later music much differently than I approach their > earlier music. Bascially, on a level where I think it's good, but I > don't like it nearly as much. And I'll still buy their albums. > > > Chris Hopcroft asks: PC or Mac? > > RB: Both. Mostly Mac, just for convenience and quality. The build is > > better. But it's not as customisable. With a PC, if you're a real geek > > you can get ahead of everyone with loads of components. Apple is cased > > in concrete, but it is concrete nonetheless and you can rely on that > > sometimes. > > And that's just funny. True, too. One of the most concise analyses > I've seen of the differences between PC and Mac. PCs offer a lot of > freedom, but also a lot of risk, sometimes too much of both. Macs offer > a known, familiar reliability, but that can also be stifling. > > It mirrors my own experience with switching. I've lost all the > headaches I had from my PC days of worrying about compatibility and > security, but I've gained headaches from not being able to run certain > software and games. > > *sigh* > > -Adam Piontek, bringing you even more inane ramblings you didn't want. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 1 line max/msp has more objects for mac than for pc,thats the reason mac rocks.

> max/msp has more objects for mac than for pc,thats the reason mac rocks.

PCs running complex, CPU-intensive patches though, especially Jitter patches, will run circles around Macs, even the G5s. Most major externals have been ported to the PC, FWIW (I don't really use anything but Tap.Tools, Jade, the jasch externals, PeRColate objects and MsPinky though, so YMMV).

quoted 3 lines I've lost all the headaches I had from my PC days of worrying about

> I've lost all the headaches I had from my PC days of worrying about > compatibility and security, but I've gained headaches from not being > able to run certain software and games.

Every time I've found myself in need of a tool that wasn't immediately available in OS X Aqua form, I found an OS X port of a Linux app and ran that. Not the same for games, of course, but that's another good reason to keep the P4 going. Happiness is not having to switch, but being able to make a choice. That, an using synergy to control the Linux machine, the Windows machine and the Powerbook from a single keyboard and mouse :-) cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yeah, it was my choice to switch. It boiled down to this: 1) Needed a laptop 2) Desire to learn more *nix command line stuff It was iLife (specifically iMovie and iDVD) that pushed me over the edge to get a mac.

quoted 3 lines Happiness is not having to switch, but being able to make a choice. That,

> Happiness is not having to switch, but being able to make a choice. That, > an using synergy to control the Linux machine, the Windows machine and the > Powerbook from a single keyboard and mouse :-)

I found one site (http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Synergy.shtml) on Synergy... I was considering upgrading my KVM (which already has two full ports on it), but would like to explore the possibility of doing it with this software. How do you connect them all... as there has to be some cableing involved. - xenlab On 4/21/05, wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com> wrote:

quoted 32 lines max/msp has more objects for mac than for pc,thats the reason mac rocks.

> > > max/msp has more objects for mac than for pc,thats the reason mac rocks. > > PCs running complex, CPU-intensive patches though, especially Jitter > patches, will run circles around Macs, even the G5s. > > Most major externals have been ported to the PC, FWIW (I don't really use > anything but Tap.Tools, Jade, the jasch externals, PeRColate objects and > MsPinky though, so YMMV). > > > I've lost all the headaches I had from my PC days of worrying about > > compatibility and security, but I've gained headaches from not being > > able to run certain software and games. > > Every time I've found myself in need of a tool that wasn't immediately > available in OS X Aqua form, I found an OS X port of a Linux app and ran > that. Not the same for games, of course, but that's another good reason to > keep the P4 going. > > Happiness is not having to switch, but being able to make a choice. That, > an using synergy to control the Linux machine, the Windows machine and the > Powerbook from a single keyboard and mouse :-) > > cheers > > w > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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