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--- Mupetblast@aol.com wrote: < An imperialist holiday? > That would be anti-imperialist holiday, as stated before. < Ah, those poor little tykes and grandmas who wrap themselves in red white and blue ribbon and laugh and play on this holiday - do they know they are celebrating a vicious imperialist's holiday? > Dude take your Ritalin, I don't know how misunderstood such a short post. The irony is that it's an anti-imperialist holiday celebrated by an imperialist country. The Guardian article mentioned lots of other details that are quite amusing, so look for it if you are interested. But speaking of tykes & grandmas and holidays, Thanksgiving is a pretty absurd myth that is celebrated. Of course, fake and sanitized history is a very important part of the American experience. < I believe the article in the Guardian originally appeared in Cuba's national paper.. Food for thought: Is patriotism better when it's implemented from the top down or bottom up? Saying it is NEVER good is a cop out. Humour me.. > No that's not the same article that I was referring to in the Guardian, but there have been many regarding the US and it's quest for Empire. NP: Saul Williams - The Pledge To Resist (Coldcut remix) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines By the way, I bought Vladislav Delay's ANIMA and it's almost exactly

> By the way, I bought Vladislav Delay's ANIMA and it's almost exactly > the same as NAIMA. I'm disappointed. But now that I've typed it out, I > shouldn't be surprised they are so similar.

Eh? Naima is an editing of a live set of his (I should know - I was there, after all :) here at the 2001 Ars Electronica where he took bits and pieces of Anima and gave a ~1 hour show here, blasting it into the Donaupark over 4 batteries of speakers hanging high up in the air on cranes, but I really couldn't say they're so much alike - Naima is much more, uh, "experimental" in my book. I like Anima more; but that might also be because the CD is lacking the surround element the live performance had... -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Yagya - Snowflake 8 (Rhythm Of Snow) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

From: Media Spincycle = Fiction <mybadelf@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:53:52 -0700 (PDT)

quoted 18 lines --- Mupetblast@aol.com wrote:

>--- Mupetblast@aol.com wrote: >< An imperialist holiday? > > >That would be anti-imperialist holiday, as stated >before. > >< Ah, those poor little tykes and grandmas who wrap >themselves in red white and blue ribbon and laugh and >play on this holiday - do they know they are >celebrating a vicious imperialist's holiday? > > >Dude take your Ritalin, I don't know how misunderstood >such a short post. > >The irony is that it's an anti-imperialist holiday >celebrated by an imperialist country. The Guardian >article mentioned lots of other details that are quite >amusing, so look for it if you are interested.

do you know what we call the holiday? it's called "indepedence day." it's a celebration of the independence of the united states. you don't have to take a stance against imperialism to celebrate the united states' victory against england in the fight for sovereignty.

quoted 4 lines But speaking of tykes & grandmas and holidays,

>But speaking of tykes & grandmas and holidays, >Thanksgiving is a pretty absurd myth that is >celebrated. Of course, fake and sanitized history is a >very important part of the American experience.

myths are an important part of any culture and exist whether they are recognized by the state or not. stop taking cheap shots at the united states, because you appear - or give yourself away as - spiteful and ridiculous.

quoted 2 lines NP: Saul Williams - The Pledge To Resist (Coldcut

>NP: Saul Williams - The Pledge To Resist (Coldcut >remix)

sucks for you. - sean np: portable - one second ago or less ep _______________________________________________________________________ Sent via Pace University's WebMail system at stmail.pace.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

< do you know what we call the holiday? it's called "indepedence day." it's a celebration of the independence of the united states. you don't have to take a stance against imperialism to celebrate the united states' victory against england in the fight for sovereignty. > I never said you had to take the stance against imperialism to celebrate. The Guardian wrote an amusing article about it, not me. Nor did I imply that the American people are knowingly involved in Imperialism. If you are in the top 10% of the wealthiest or a high level Government official than you might be an imperialists...I don't know. I merely brought up that the Guardian had some amusing points. Go read the article, mate... I know the average joe in America is very clueless on history and politics, and knows very little about the world outside of the United States. < myths are an important part of any culture and exist whether they are recognized by the state or not. > I think reality is also important, and people should be aware of the truth...and not just half-truths. Unfortunately, I think with the media consolidation that it will be harder and harder to know this in the future. Societies should know their ugly truths as well as the good side to keep things balanced and in check. And be able to know when their media and leadership are lying and pushing the country in the wrong direction. < stop taking cheap shots at the united states, because you appear - or give yourself away as - spiteful and ridiculous. > I'm not, I pointed out an amusing article about the 4th. I never posted any injustices, did I? If you are in doubt about Imperialism than read about it. Read about the PNAC (Project for the New American Century). Matthew Herbert has some interesting picks to read on his site. One of his recommendations are from author Noam Chomsky, that's a good starting point. http://www.magicandaccident.com/suggestions/index.htm Now so there are no misunderstandings, I truly hope that everyone has a nice three day weekend. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

< do you know what we call the holiday? it's called "indepedence day." it's a celebration of the independence of the united states. you don't have to take a stance against imperialism to celebrate the united states' victory against england in the fight for sovereignty. > I never said you had to take the stance against imperialism to celebrate. The Guardian wrote an amusing article about it, not me. Nor did I imply that the American people are knowingly involved in Imperialism. If you are in the top 10% of the wealthiest or a high level Government official than you might be an imperialists...I don't know. I merely brought up that the Guardian had some amusing points. Go read the article, mate... I know the average joe in America is very clueless on history and politics, and knows very little about the world outside of the United States. < myths are an important part of any culture and exist whether they are recognized by the state or not. > I think reality is also important, and people should be aware of the truth...and not just half-truths. Unfortunately, I think with the media consolidation that it will be harder and harder to know this in the future. Societies should know their ugly truths as well as the good side to keep things balanced and in check. And be able to know when their media and leadership are lying and pushing the country in the wrong direction. < stop taking cheap shots at the united states, because you appear - or give yourself away as - spiteful and ridiculous. > I'm not, I pointed out an amusing article about the 4th. I never posted any injustices, did I? If you are in doubt about Imperialism than read about it. Read about the PNAC (Project for the New American Century). Matthew Herbert has some interesting picks to read on his site. One of his recommendations are from author Noam Chomsky, that's a good starting point. http://www.magicandaccident.com/suggestions/index.htm Now so there are no misunderstandings, I truly hope that everyone has a nice three day weekend. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines do you know what we call the holiday? it's called

> do you know what we call the holiday? it's called > "indepedence day." it's a celebration of the > independence of the united states. you don't have to > take a stance against imperialism to celebrate the > united states' victory against england in the fight > for sovereignty.

But you do have to have a rather "creative" conscience to do it with a straight face, having even a remote idea of certain trends in our foreign policy. A victory over imperialism is something to be celebrated, however, some of us have a rather bad taste in out mouths considering "independence" is something people outside of Walmart and our borders deserve and a quick run down the list of Dictators on the United States' payroll (past and present) leads us to a conflist. That is unless other races do not deserve independence.

quoted 1 line stop taking cheap shots at the united states,

> stop taking cheap shots at the united states,

I suppose it is also a cheap shot to point out that the mustard gas used against the Kurds by Saddam in 1988 (that is, before he was 'evil') was part of a military aid package supplied by the United States, which kept coming well after these disgusting actions. Hell, we even gave him agricultural aid in light of the crops ruined by this gas attack. This is, mind you, the same attack that was, time and time again, thrown up at us as the end all be all reason to take him out. Disgusting propaganda understood by anyone who actually takes the time to look into the history. But that point is so cheap it is not even worth mentioning, right?

quoted 2 lines because you appear - or give yourself away as -

> because you appear - or give yourself away as - > spiteful and ridiculous.

Kind of like how Howard Zinn looks ridiculus next to such modern day jingoist intellects as Sean Hannity or, bless her ego, Ann Coulter. God bless America. Brandon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org