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2003-01-22 18:29Irene McC [idm] alice's restaurant / rap
├─ 2003-01-22 19:28EggyToast Re: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap
│ └─ 2003-01-22 19:58Joe Peterson Re: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap
└─ 2003-01-23 05:34Kent williams Re: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap
├─ 2003-01-23 06:47Technotica [idm] women of idm pictorial and a free cd of their top tunes!
├─ 2003-01-23 12:53skism RE: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap
└─ 2003-01-23 14:24EggyToast Re: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap
2003-01-22 18:39John von Seggern Re: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap
2003-01-23 18:12skism RE: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap
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2003-01-22 18:29Irene McCSo... my daughter started High School today. To celebrate I foolhardily downed 3 tots of A
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So... my daughter started High School today. To celebrate I foolhardily downed 3 tots of Absinthe (make the heart grow fonder) and after dinner subjected the entire family to sit through Alice's Restaurant (sparked by some random comment). Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make Arlo Guthrie the world's first rapper? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-22 19:28EggyToast>Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make >Arlo Guthrie the worl
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quoted 2 lines Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make>Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make >Arlo Guthrie the world's first rapper?
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2003-01-22 19:58Joe Peterson>>Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make >>Arlo Guthrie the wo
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quoted 2 lines Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make>>Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make >>Arlo Guthrie the world's first rapper?
cab calloway, perhaps? he definitely had a massive impact on the modern emcee if nothing else... -j. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-23 05:34Kent williamsOn Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Irene McC wrote: > So... my daughter started High School today. To ce
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On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Irene McC wrote:
quoted 8 lines So... my daughter started High School today. To celebrate I> So... my daughter started High School today. To celebrate I > foolhardily downed 3 tots of Absinthe (make the heart grow fonder) > and after dinner subjected the entire family to sit through Alice's > Restaurant (sparked by some random comment). > > Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make > Arlo Guthrie the world's first rapper? >
Not really -- no more than Bob Dylan's talking blues make him the first rapper, or Rambling Jack Eliot etc. As others have pointed out, the origins of rap are African, or more directly, Jamaican. But the idea of telling a story and accompanying it with music goes back to before written language. Homer recited his epic poems to music. Arlo Guthrie was, however, the first guy to get moderately rich off of hippy humor, which should count for something. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-23 06:47TechnoticaNahhhhh...not in this lifetime.... but, I have started using my live journal at http://lin
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Nahhhhh...not in this lifetime.... but, I have started using my live journal at http://lindaleigh.livejournal.com to post what I've been listening to lately and give some reviews...also some personal stuff, a lot of dj stuff that is focused right now on gettting my Final Scratch set-up cookin. come by and check it out :) btw---i can't stop listening to the new Panes full length by Tadd Mullinex - I see that his 'Winking Makes a face' is available again...I Highly recomend getting it!!! Linda ------------------------------------ www.technotica.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-23 12:53skism> -----Original Message----- > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] > Sent: 23 Jan
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quoted 10 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] > Sent: 23 January 2003 05:34 > To: Irene McC > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; idm-m@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap > > Arlo Guthrie was, however, the first guy to get moderately rich off of > hippy humor, which should count for something. >
altough Alice's Restaurant is ruined by his crappy acting... so it shouldn't count for that much. skism --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-23 14:24EggyToast>Not really -- no more than Bob Dylan's talking blues make him the first >rapper, or Rambl
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quoted 6 lines Not really -- no more than Bob Dylan's talking blues make him the first>Not really -- no more than Bob Dylan's talking blues make him the first >rapper, or Rambling Jack Eliot etc. As others have pointed out, the origins >of rap are African, or more directly, Jamaican. But the idea of telling >a story and accompanying it with music goes back to before written language. >Homer recited his epic poems to music. >
Actually, as many scholars will be happy to point out, Homer is not the originator of 'his' poems, but rather just the first to actually write them down. They stemmed from a long oral storytelling tradition (and undoubtedly changed over time) and his telling is just one remembrance of the stories. The poetic patterns used and the use of key figures and actions at certain times kept the stories cohesive and Homer was just someone who learned the stories. He also happened to write, so we know the stories as Homer's, rather than the actual originator's. Not that there's anything wrong with being the first storyteller to write down the stories, but he wouldn't've claimed the stories as his own, so why should we? :) derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-22 18:39John von SeggernIrene McC wrote: >So... my daughter started High School today. To celebrate I >foolhardily
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Irene McC wrote:
quoted 8 lines So... my daughter started High School today. To celebrate I>So... my daughter started High School today. To celebrate I >foolhardily downed 3 tots of Absinthe (make the heart grow fonder) >and after dinner subjected the entire family to sit through Alice's >Restaurant (sparked by some random comment). > >Which led us to conjecture: does this 1967 release on Reprise make >Arlo Guthrie the world's first rapper? >
Well -- I think the actual origins of rap lay back in West Africa, traveling musician/singers carrying news and royal announcements, social commentary, etc. Later lines of descent visible in calypso, reggae ['toasting'], blues, and hiphop. I'm not sure where this leaves Arlo Guthrie! John
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2003-01-23 18:12skismyeah... i know, it's great, but the film sucks... > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken
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yeah... i know, it's great, but the film sucks...
quoted 28 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] > Sent: 23 January 2003 14:21 > To: skism > Subject: RE: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap > > > Well, long before Arthur Penn made the movie Alice's Restaurant, there was > an album called 'Alice's Restaurant' comprising mostly live > recordings of him > telling stories talking blues style. > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, skism wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] > > > Sent: 23 January 2003 05:34 > > > To: Irene McC > > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; idm-m@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [idm] alice's restaurant / rap > > > > > > Arlo Guthrie was, however, the first guy to get moderately rich off of > > > hippy humor, which should count for something. > > > > > > > altough Alice's Restaurant is ruined by his crappy acting... > > so it shouldn't count for that much. > > >
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