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2001-07-18 13:50Omar Hackett Re: [idm] Re: B12
└─ 2001-07-18 14:12Adam Piontek Re: [idm] B12 & newer != better (sometimes)
├─ 2001-07-18 17:45Irene McC [idm] loving older music
└─ 2001-07-18 19:19ugly and mean Re: [idm] B12 & newer != better (sometimes)
2001-07-19 11:16Justin King RE: [idm] loving older music
2001-07-19 13:43Adam Piontek RE: [idm] loving older music
2001-07-19 13:54Adam Piontek RE: [idm] loving older music
2001-07-19 14:22EggyToast Re: [idm] loving older music
2001-07-19 14:34Justin King RE: [idm] loving older music
2001-07-19 14:54Daniel Cartwright RE: [idm] loving older music
├─ 2001-07-19 15:25Oriet RE: [idm] loving older music
└─ 2001-07-19 15:31Adam Piontek RE: [idm] listening habits (was: loving older music)
2001-07-20 16:37Anig Browl Re: [idm] loving older music
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2001-07-18 13:50Omar HackettPeace, I gotta say thanks for that discography and softly chime in here..... I pulled out
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Peace, I gotta say thanks for that discography and softly chime in here..... I pulled out Electro Soma last night.....some are the tracks are just darn good, too damn good for those guys not to be making music anymore! Those of you in that London--Dover, Bristol area should head down to Smallfish and FatCat and picket, dont burn/damage the places, but let them know there are SOME out there who value what they where doing. (I'd suggest it for you Sheffield/Birmingham/Manchester blokes too, but thats a little distance to ride(2-2 1/2 hours by rail). At least you'd have a time to plan your attack:) I wonder if writing a letter to Rutter & Golding would help? Getting a petition or something......Or just begging them to rip me all of there unreleased stuff on CDr........ Thanks for the discography.....my picket sign would say "IDM hell without Redcell" :) Chow! ----- Original Message ----- From: http://www.promoozz.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:33 AM To: J A Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Re: B12 don't know where i ripped thizz one from... but itzz rather detailed, i guezz enjoy <knip> B12 - discog The label was setup because of the influx of UK "hardcore" and the reluctence of labels at that time to sign music that was not made up of hip hop records sampled on 45 rpm and crap one note one bar riffs. The Logo, label concept and layout were designed by M. Golding. (12", B1201, aug 1991) by Musicology . metropolis . obsessed . fear of expression . telefone 529 650 black vinyl & 300 clear vinyl Space Age EP (12", B1202, dec 1991) by 2001 . space age . rings of saturn . future bass seven . weightless condition 300 orange see-through vinyl B1203 (12", B1203, okt 1991) by As One / Future Past / Zee# . future past : dance intellect . zee# : tv people . as one : our paths meet . as one : harmony park . as one : your hand in my hand black vinyl Kirk Degiorgio under the pseudonyms As One & Future Past (first release of Kirk) Matt "Neuro Politique" Cogger as ZEE# Copyright ©1991 Third Eye Music B1204 (12", B1204, dec 1991) by Musicology . preminition . unknown future . bubbles . virtual reality all green vinyl, only 4 black ones Copyright ©1992 B12 Music (12", B1205, aug 1992) by Redcell A. active e motion B1. paradroid B2. inaneion limited deep opaque purple vinyl of 250 second release on B12 by Redcell, the first wazz B1207 tracknames appear twice on the Aside (layout trouble as thizz wazz the first release having less then 4 trax Copyright ©1992 B12 Music (12", B1206, nov 1992) by Musicology . hall of mirrors . satori . mondrin . boundries limited opaque yellow vinyl of 250 There was a second mix created of Hall of Mirrors that has only been released on the limited edition cass/CD B1209. Copyright ©1992 B12 Music (12", B1207, 1992) by Redcell . captive planet . why the reason . at the edge . soundtrack of a strange er STRICTLY limited edition (500 copies only) 150 blue transparent vinyl, red transparent vinyl &150 black vinyl 98% of B1207 was eventually sold in Europe Copyright ©1992 B12 Music (12", B1208, june 1993) by Redcell . interim . outerim . fear limited 300 white opaque vinyl third Redcell project, released together w/ Stassis (B1211) cause of an delay (same artwork/packaging so both were also released on B12CD1 + 6 new trax) Copyright ©1993 B12 Music (CD, B12CD1, august 1993) by Redcell / Stasis 1. redcell : waste lands [cektion] 2. redcell : interim 3. redcell : one thing in mind 4. redcell : soundtrack of fear 5. redcell : outerim 6. redcell : solar winds 7. stasis : point of no return 8. stasis : funky purple hotpants 9. stasis : i think it's in here 10. stasis : questions for vanmanan 11. stasis : v.c.f. 12. stasis : funky purple hotpants 13. stasis : pauls outerlude Limited pressing of 1500 copies trax 1 to 6 Written & Constructed by M.GOLDING & S.RUTTER @ the Epicentre London, England trax 7 to 13 Written & Constructed by S.PICKTON @ The OTHERWORLD all trax copyright © B12 / Mainframe Music 1993 trax 7 to 13 Licenced from Otherworld Recordings UK B1209 was originally released as a limited edition cassette. The cassette was packaged in a cardboard box measuring 210mm x 155mm x 34mm. This edition was Limited to 400 copies and due to demand was repressed as a CD for a limited run of 500. Prelude part 1 (MC/CD , B1209, 1993) by various 1. experimental music Extract from an interview at radio Metropolis Belgium 2. Redcell : Outerim Original version "Interim" taken from B1208 3. drift [outro] Original version taken from the B12 LP Electro Soma 4. question 1 Extract from an interview at radio Metropolis Belgium 5. Musicology : hall of Mirrors - mix ii Original version taken from B1206 and the B12 LP Electro Soma 6. basic Rhythm Previously Unreleased 7. cymetry [cektion] Previously Unreleased 8. question 2 Extract from an interview at radio Metropolis Belgium 9. tomorrow is Yesterday Previously Unreleased 10. we Know ! Extract from an interview at radio Metropolis Belgium 11. Musicology : telefone 529 [dub mix] Original version taken from B1201 and the B12 LP Electro Soma 12. binary Fault Previously Unreleased 13. answer Extract from an interview at radio Metropolis Belgium 14. ancient egypt Previously Unreleased 15. shadow of a former self (intro) Previously Unreleased 16. question 3 Extract from an interview at radio Metropolis Belgium 17. pantone 137 Previously Unreleased 18. cqual [intro] Original version taken from B1210 Questions by Peter Van Eynde @ Radio Metropolis Antwerp Belgium NOV 1992. all tracks copyright © B12 / Mainframe Music 1993 Tomorrow is Yesterday, Basic Rhythm, Ancient Egypt & Binary Fault : Copyright ©1993 B12 Music B1210 (12", B1210, april 1994) by Cmetric . cqual . tribeca . echo trx 314 . db5 limited flouresent pink vinyl of 950, sold in two days Copyright ©1994 B12 Music (12", B1211, june 1993) by Stasis . point of no return . funky purple hotpants . i think it's in here . questions for vanmanan limited silver vinyl B1211 represents the second ever release by Steve Pickton copyright ©1993 B12 Music / Licenced from Otherworld Recordings B1212 not released B1213abc B12 T-shirts B1214 was actually a joint release with the highly respected UK label A.R.T. The project was conceived at the end of 1994 as a single twelve inch that would contain four tracks. It grew into a pair of releases that contained 8 new unreleased tracks, 4 from each label. There were two four track twelve inch singles released, each with a B12 side and an A.R.T. side, each SIDE had a different catalogue number. The first twelve was numbered B1214.1 and ART7.1 the second was B1214.2 and ART7.2. The release date was the 28th July 1995, the artists featured were Elegy, Esoteric and Blue Binary for A.R.T. and Redcell, Cmetric and Musicology for B12 Records. (12", B1214.1, 28th july 1995) by Esoterik / Blue Binary / Redcell A.R.T. side : ART7.1 . esoterik : kwaidan . blue binary : solaris B12 side : B12.1 . redcell : infinite lites . redcell : the city [inhabited by cmetric] black vinyl (12", B1214.2, 28th july 1995) by Esoterik / Elegy / Redcell B12 side : B12.2 . redcell : climate calm . redcell : practopia A.R.T. side : ART7.2 . elegy : \p switch . esoterik : thru black vinyl, no limited edition vinyl for thizz one Copyright ©1995 B12 Music / A.R.T. Records </knip> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-18 14:12Adam Piontek--- Omar Hackett <Oways@msn.com> wrote: > I pulled out Electro Soma last night.....some ar
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--- Omar Hackett <Oways@msn.com> wrote:
quoted 4 lines I pulled out Electro Soma last night.....some are> I pulled out Electro Soma last night.....some are > the tracks are just darn > good, too damn good for those guys not to be making > music anymore!
I really like B12's Electro-Soma, too, and Time Tourist to a lesser extent. Sometimes I think the desire to look for the next release by so-and-so should maybe be interpreted as a desire to listen to their previous work even more; often more new work is somehow disappointing simply because what we really wanted in the first place was just more of the same, which we already own. As Eggy Toast pointed out in a recent post, it's often much better to have less music, as you spend more time listening to what you have and really getting into it. I have a lot of nostalgia recently for the days when I only had a few albums, and I loved them so much. There's something wonderful about being a teenager and getting a new album for the first time in months, taking it home and holing up in your room with the headphones and falling in love with new music. When you have less music, it's more special somehow. You get more familiar with it. I remember when I could pick any album out of my collection and, listening to it, know each song and hum along with it before it even started. There's an intimacy there that I know at least I have lost in this time when I can download 5-10 new albums a night (if I wanted to). I mean, my music collection has grown to something like over 700 CDs over the past few years, and so few of them are as special to me as my much smaller collection used to be. Actually, it's been more than 800 recently, but I've been slowly culling the mediocre (to me) stuff and getting rid of it. I want my music to mean something more to me again, something more than just having what everyone else has been listening to. I'm not saying anything about the listening/buying habits of anyone else on this list, as I'm sure we all have different capacities for appreciating new stuff faster or slower than others. Some of you probably have 2000 albums and are frighteningly familiar with all of them. Anyways, bringing up B12 just brought all of that out of me because, though I only recently go Electro-Soma, it struck me as better than much of the newer "electro" or similar stuff that's been around. It made me realize that, for me at least, a lot of the fan-boy desire for new works by the artists I love just ends up in me wasting a lot of energy looking for new stuff to give me the feeling I got when listening to the old stuff, when really I should just spend more time re-listening to the old stuff. I think I stopped making sense at the first paragraph, so I'll stop now. Sorry :/ -Adam PS - Thanks to Confield, I finally got into Phthalocyanine's 25 Tracks Fer 1 Track... It's nice :) Other stuff that's been rocking my boat lately: Kettel's Dreim, Joseph Nothing's Dummy Variations, and Dykehouse's Leftovers... can't wait to d/l Dynamic Obsolescence when it comes out. Other than that, really getting to appreciate the older stuff in my collection again, like B12, Fuse, maybe some others - I'll have to keep digging. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-18 17:45Irene McCOn 18 Jul 2001, at 7:12, Adam Piontek wrote: > There's something wonderful about being a t
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On 18 Jul 2001, at 7:12, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 4 lines There's something wonderful about being a teenager and getting a> There's something wonderful about being a teenager and getting a > new album for the first time in months, taking it home and holing > up in your room with the headphones and falling in love with new > music.
YES YES YES!!! Why doesn't that happen any more? Are we just too damn jaded and locked into the eternal quest for bigger, better, more? These days, I get new albums, and they're *nice* but somehow they never enmesh with every single cell in my body like my old music used to. I have some old vinyl dating back, ooh - 20, 25 years, that is so deeply engrained that I can imagine every crackle and surface scratch before it comes along, and if I hear a CD copy of the same album, it somehow lacks the well-worn ambience of my beloved original. I think partly this might be due to my obsession with music having become something akin to an addiction, and I'm always looking to the next fix, rather than fully enjoying the present. It's also partially a fault of the media, peddling music as a mass- market consumable. Gone is the arcane pleasure of indulgence. Cynical? You bet! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-18 19:19ugly and mean--- Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com> wrote: > There's something wonderful about being a t
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--- Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 10 lines There's something wonderful about being a teenager and> There's something wonderful about being a teenager and > getting a new album for the first time in months, > taking it home and holing up in your room with the > headphones and falling in love with new music. > > When you have less music, it's more special somehow. > You get more familiar with it. I remember when I > could pick any album out of my collection and, > listening to it, know each song and hum along with it > before it even started.
For that matter, I have some really fond memories of times as a broke teenager when I borrowed a cassette tape from someone meaning to tape something off of Side A, and just for the hell of it, taping side B and loving that even more than side A, even though I had no idea who Side B was. That happened to me a few times. I also still have tapes that I made off of various college and public radio stations that have these beautiful snippets of atmospheric electronic music on them that I still don't have any idea who performed. Those were the days. The closest thing I've experienced to that lately is getting completely high and downloading stuff from soulseek and then finding the next day that the mp3 is called 04.mp3 with no ID3 tag. Those can be fun. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 11:16Justin KingIrene, I would have to disagree, I can still find new music these days that makes the hair
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Irene, I would have to disagree, I can still find new music these days that makes the hair on the back of my neck still stand up! Very pure by Mystical Sun (on mp3.com) is just one of the most amazing songs, and still gets me smiling and tingling with joy every time I hear it. J. Justin King NT - No Thanks Software Engineer & Support [+44|0] 20 7620 4857 Work 5D Solutions Ltd [+44|0] 79 6763 8529 Cell mailto:Justin_King@five-d.com http://www.five-d.com/ Great music at -> http://www.mp3.com/getafixx/ Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. Bernard Berenson -----Original Message----- From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] Sent: 18 July 2001 18:46 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] loving older music On 18 Jul 2001, at 7:12, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 4 lines There's something wonderful about being a teenager and getting a> There's something wonderful about being a teenager and getting a > new album for the first time in months, taking it home and holing > up in your room with the headphones and falling in love with new > music.
YES YES YES!!! Why doesn't that happen any more? Are we just too damn jaded and locked into the eternal quest for bigger, better, more? These days, I get new albums, and they're *nice* but somehow they never enmesh with every single cell in my body like my old music used to. I have some old vinyl dating back, ooh - 20, 25 years, that is so deeply engrained that I can imagine every crackle and surface scratch before it comes along, and if I hear a CD copy of the same album, it somehow lacks the well-worn ambience of my beloved original. I think partly this might be due to my obsession with music having become something akin to an addiction, and I'm always looking to the next fix, rather than fully enjoying the present. It's also partially a fault of the media, peddling music as a mass- market consumable. Gone is the arcane pleasure of indulgence. Cynical? You bet! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 13:43Adam Piontek> -----Original Message----- > From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] > Sent: Wednes
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quoted 6 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:46 PM > > On 18 Jul 2001, at 7:12, Adam Piontek wrote: > > There's something wonderful about being a teenager
and getting a
quoted 1 line new album for the first time in months, taking it> > new album for the first time in months, taking it
home and holing
quoted 1 line up in your room with the headphones and falling in> > up in your room with the headphones and falling in
love with new
quoted 3 lines music.> > music. > > YES YES YES!!! Why doesn't that happen any more?
Are we just
quoted 1 line too damn jaded and locked into the eternal quest for> too damn jaded and locked into the eternal quest for
bigger, better,
quoted 1 line more?> more?
That's a big part of it for me. I've been trying to teach myself lately to tone down my music addiction. Trying to remodel my listening/buying habits to be like they were when I was "happier" with music. Like, back when I was a teenager, I was really into Tori Amos, but all I could get was what they sold at Best Buy. So, I eventually got a bunch of singles, but mostly I would spend months just absorbing the latest album. When you spend that much time on one thing, you really *know* it. I'm focusing a lot more on just albums, and not worrying so much about all the B-sides, remixes, or compilation tracks I might find out there in MP3. When I was a teenager, I didn't know so much about the existence of B-sides, remixes, compilation tracks, etc., and even if I did, it wasn't so easy to have them (MP3s). The thing is, if you really like an album by artist X, you're not necessarily missing anything if that's all you ever hear. Sure, there are probably some killer individual "extra" tracks hiding out there somewhere, like Four Tet's remix of track 1 from SAWII. But it's not such a big deal if I don't hear that stuff.
quoted 1 line These days, I get new albums, and they're *nice* but> These days, I get new albums, and they're *nice* but
somehow
quoted 1 line they never enmesh with every single cell in my body> they never enmesh with every single cell in my body
like my old
quoted 1 line music used to.> music used to.
Same here. Sometimes it's just that the music, while I like it, and it's *nice*, it isn't exactly great for me. For example, Delarosa & Asora's Agony is a well-done album, and I can really appreciate it when I listen to it, but it just doesn't make me want to listen to it over and over again. Some music just does not grow on me, no matter how much I listen to it. Whereas Proem's "Negativ" and Chris Clark's "Clarence Park" have been hitting me quite hard lately - I can't stop listening to these and a few other things. Still, I really think the large part of it is not the music itself, but just how much time you spend with something. When I first got Aphex's RDJ album, I was still very much a "1 album-per-month at most" listener, and I just kept listening to that over and over. After a while, I knew that album inside and out. I still do when I listen to it now, and it makes it that much more special to me. However, in the past couple of years I've become a lot more "throw-away consumerist" about music. I'll get a bunch of new music, and as I'm listening to it I make quick judgements and move on to the next thing because there's always *more* to try, and for some reason I feel I need to. "What if I'm missing something amazing?!" The catch-22 here is that if I find something amazing, I'm less likely to recognize it, and if I do recognize it, I'm still going to feel as if I need to move on either A) because there might be something *else* amazing out there that I'm missing, or B) because I have so much stuff, and I should really try to listen to it all equally. This is all pretty rediculous, and most people I'm sure don't have the same difficulties. You're all probably comfortable with how you listen to music. I'm just realizing, however, that I'm not comfortable anymore with how I've come to listen to music. The simple fact for me being that I really really miss being as intimate with an album as I am with some of my older stuff like the RDJ album or my Tori or TMBG albums. I'm not intimate with my newer stuff; I don't know Proem's music by heart, even though I absolutely love it, simply because I don't allow myself the time to truly absorb it. So that's what I'm working against now.
quoted 2 lines I have some old vinyl dating back, ooh - 20, 25>I have some old vinyl dating back, ooh - 20, 25 > years, that is so deeply engrained that I can
imagine every crackle
quoted 1 line and surface scratch before it comes along, and if I> and surface scratch before it comes along, and if I
hear a CD copy
quoted 1 line of the same album, it somehow lacks the well-worn> of the same album, it somehow lacks the well-worn
ambience of my
quoted 1 line beloved original.> beloved original.
Yeah, that can happen, though I've always been a CD person, so that doesn't quite apply to me. Although I can say that my sister used to have this "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" album that was a stage recording from England or something, and I listened to it a lot. Later on when I wanted to get a copy for myself (I went threw an Andrew Lloyd Webber phase, so shoot me :P), the Osmond production had opened in America and that's all you could find anywhere. Sometimes, with musicals or classical music, stuff that can be done by many different artists so there's all sorts of different "versions" or "interpretations," the only one you really like is the first one you heard, or at least one specific version. Like, I can only listen to a version of Carmina Burana that was recorded by one particular orchestra. All other versions sound "wrong" to me. This, I have no doubt, comes from being so used to recorded music. Before recordings, I'm sure this didn't happen. People were more into the music itself than a particular manifestation of it. Kind of like, it was the melody of a hymn or jazz tune itself that people liked; not a specific version, because the versions they heard were *always* live and *always* different. The concept of "live music" wasn't even an issue. Whoah, big rantings in this email. Sorry everyone :P
quoted 1 line I think partly this might be due to my obsession> I think partly this might be due to my obsession
with music having
quoted 1 line become something akin to an addiction, and I'm> become something akin to an addiction, and I'm
always looking to
quoted 1 line the next fix, rather than fully enjoying the> the next fix, rather than fully enjoying the
present. Oh, wait, now I've ranted on and on and gone off on tangent after tangent, and you just said it in, like, two sentences! Oh well.
quoted 1 line It's also partially a fault of the media, peddling> It's also partially a fault of the media, peddling
music as a mass-
quoted 1 line market consumable. Gone is the arcane pleasure of> market consumable. Gone is the arcane pleasure of
indulgence. Yeah, that's also part of it. Kind of like the tangent I got off on about "music before it was possible to record it" - recording made the music "industry" possible, and forever altered what was before the "natural" way to hear music. Now it takes willpower and a plan to avoid music addiction! Maybe there should be a 12 step program?
quoted 1 line Cynical? You bet!> Cynical? You bet!
But healthy, too! -Adam, being particularly pedantic today... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 13:54Adam Piontek> -----Original Message----- > From: Justin King [mailto:Justin_King@five-d.com] > Sent: T
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quoted 5 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Justin King [mailto:Justin_King@five-d.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:17 AM > > Irene, I would have to disagree, I can still find
new music
quoted 2 lines these days that> these days that > makes the hair on the back of my neck still stand
up! I can't really speak for anyone but myself, but I think you missed the point. It's not that "old music is better" - not at all. This isn't another "I'm losing interest in new IDM" thread. This, for me, is about how I choose to listen to music, and about dealing with the sheer quantity of stuff I find available. It's not like there's suddenly a glut of music, although due to electronics there's probably more than there used to be. It's more about the fact that there has always been an ocean of music out there, but when I was a teenager I just wasn't aware of more than my little inlet. I played there and got to know the waters quite intimately. Then I began to discover that the water just kept on going, and I felt that I needed to swim through everything, as if it all deserved my attention. Basically, it's not that the quality of music is going down, it's that I am just not personally as satisfied simply being familiar with a large quantity of music as I am intimately knowing a smaller quantity of music. That's all. -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 14:22EggyToastspeaking of music (moozzick?) that i've listened too probably too much - Man, I love that
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speaking of music (moozzick?) that i've listened too probably too much - Man, I love that first zammuto cd. you know, i got this thing from Nick almost on a fluke back when he was first distrubiting them, and I am so happy that they're coming out. just to show how absorbed i've been in this cd for the past, oh, 2 yrs? on track "3" about 42 seconds into it there's what sounds like a string pluck that drops all the other music out, only to fill back in again, then the pluck happens again, a little different, and resonates and the other music comes back in... but that's the only time on the whole album that it happens. i love that part. it's one of the best parts on the cd for me. on a more general scale, i love the mood changes, how it goes from [what sounds like] happiness, to despair, to hope, to decay, and so many others. mmmmm!! cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 14:34Justin KingWell I for one know that I am quite fussy when it comes to IDM (and all other music for th
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Well I for one know that I am quite fussy when it comes to IDM (and all other music for that matter). I know almost instantly if I like it, but as I find new music, and since I am now trying to make my own music, I have started to listen in a different way. Unfortunately this is a one way conversion, as since the transformation has occurred, I find myself far more understanding of new and different IDM as well as other music. But I just love having as big a collection of CD/mp3s to fit today's particular mood. Indeed I may also listen to the same songs over and over for weeks, not wishing to change. I have been listing to the same tape in my walkman for the last two months. (FSOL ISDN transmission) It gets better and better every time I listen to it. Sometimes I see how something has been constructed, and make a mental note, smile and carry on walking. I agree that it is hard to know a large collection of music as well as maybe you used to when you were younger, and therefore had less music, but my tastes were a lot broader, and as I age, I find them becoming more refined (well to me at least) J. Justin King NT - No Thanks Great music at -> http://www.mp3.com/getafixx/ Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. Bernard Berenson -----Original Message----- From: Adam Piontek [mailto:apiontek@yahoo.com] Sent: 19 July 2001 14:54 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] loving older music
quoted 5 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Justin King [mailto:Justin_King@five-d.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:17 AM > > Irene, I would have to disagree, I can still find
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quoted 2 lines these days that> these days that > makes the hair on the back of my neck still stand
up! I can't really speak for anyone but myself, but I think you missed the point. It's not that "old music is better" - not at all. This isn't another "I'm losing interest in new IDM" thread. This, for me, is about how I choose to listen to music, and about dealing with the sheer quantity of stuff I find available. It's not like there's suddenly a glut of music, although due to electronics there's probably more than there used to be. It's more about the fact that there has always been an ocean of music out there, but when I was a teenager I just wasn't aware of more than my little inlet. I played there and got to know the waters quite intimately. Then I began to discover that the water just kept on going, and I felt that I needed to swim through everything, as if it all deserved my attention. Basically, it's not that the quality of music is going down, it's that I am just not personally as satisfied simply being familiar with a large quantity of music as I am intimately knowing a smaller quantity of music. That's all. -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 14:54Daniel CartwrightA couple of thoughts - > I know almost instantly if I like it Are you sure? I think some m
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A couple of thoughts -
quoted 1 line I know almost instantly if I like it> I know almost instantly if I like it
Are you sure? I think some music immediately draws you in, and some you have to pay close attention to appreciate. I don't think that's a flaw. There can be complexities that you simply don't or cannot notice on a first listen. You mention that FSOL's ISDN transmissions gets better every time you listen to it. A case in point?
quoted 6 lines I agree that it is hard to know a large collection of music> I agree that it is hard to know a large collection of music > as well as maybe > you used to when you were younger, and therefore had less > music, but my > tastes were a lot broader, and as I age, I find them becoming > more refined
I had much narrower tastes when I was younger. Because so much was new to me I could spend a long time just getting the most out of a small range of stuff. As I've got older and got more records, I've needed to branch out more to find the novelty and energy that inspired me as a teenager to pursue my own musical tastes rather than following those of others around me. I still get very excited about a lot of new music. Dan.
quoted 49 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Justin King [mailto:Justin_King@five-d.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:34 PM > To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' > Subject: RE: [idm] loving older music > > > Well I for one know that I am quite fussy when it comes to > IDM (and all > other music for that matter). I know almost instantly if I > like it, but as I > find new music, and since I am now trying to make my own music, I have > started to listen in a different way. Unfortunately this is a one way > conversion, as since the transformation has occurred, I find > myself far more > understanding of new and different IDM as well as other music. > > But I just love having as big a collection of CD/mp3s to fit today's > particular mood. Indeed I may also listen to the same songs > over and over > for weeks, not wishing to change. I have been listing to the > same tape in my > walkman for the last two months. (FSOL ISDN transmission) It > gets better and > better every time I listen to it. Sometimes I see how > something has been > constructed, and make a mental note, smile and carry on walking. > > I agree that it is hard to know a large collection of music > as well as maybe > you used to when you were younger, and therefore had less > music, but my > tastes were a lot broader, and as I age, I find them becoming > more refined > (well to me at least) > > > J. > > > Justin King NT - No Thanks > > Great music at -> http://www.mp3.com/getafixx/ > > Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were > a year ago. > Bernard Berenson > >
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2001-07-19 15:25Oriet>> I know almost instantly if I like it > Are you sure? I think some music immediately dra
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quoted 1 line I know almost instantly if I like it>> I know almost instantly if I like it
quoted 3 lines Are you sure? I think some music immediately draws> Are you sure? I think some music immediately draws > you in, and some you have to pay close attention to > appreciate.
I'm definitely that way. There are some albums that I toss in at the store and after the 2nd measure of the first song I know I have to have it. Other discs linger half-listened to for months in my case before I put them in one day and find that I enjoy it more at that moment than I ever had before because my music taste had evolved a bit in that time. I still go back, every now and then, and toss in an old cd but it's actually becoming less frequent that I do that anymore. I guess I'm the type of person that's always more on the look-out for something new.. something that makes my jaw drop. =0riet ===== =========================== syngeneic http://www.waste.org/~oriet syngeneic radio archive http://www.live365.com/stations/250448 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 15:31Adam Piontek--- Daniel Cartwright <daniel_cartwright@five-d.com> wrote: > Are you sure? I think some m
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--- Daniel Cartwright <daniel_cartwright@five-d.com> wrote:
quoted 4 lines Are you sure? I think some music immediately draws> Are you sure? I think some music immediately draws > you in, and some you have > to pay close attention to appreciate. I don't think > that's a flaw.
I was thinking that when I read Justin's post, too. Some things like Aphex, Proem or Freeform strike my fancy immediately, while, say, Confield, Muddlin' Gear, and Boku Mo Wakaran all took me quite some time before I liked them. And now they're on my list of albums I'd like to become more intimate with instead of continuing to look for even more stuff that I might like. For me this is all personal and not really important to the list (apologies to andrei) - I mean, I'm not trying to convince others to adopt my listening habits, just expressing that I'm changing mine because I've discovered that I highly value being very intimate with music as opposed to just knowing everything that everyone is talking about. I'll retain an open mind and continue to try new things if my "trusted" sources like this list are talking about something a lot (like Freescha - thank you list for getting me to try them). However, I'm not going to keep trying almost everything that gets mentioned here because A) I just no longer have the time or budget, and B) If I have a lot of music that I like, why look for more stuff that I *might* like when I can just keep listening to what I already know I do like? -Adam PS - you can always just delete me... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-20 16:37Anig BrowlFrom: Daniel Cartwright <daniel_cartwright@five-d.com> > > I know almost instantly if I li
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From: Daniel Cartwright <daniel_cartwright@five-d.com>
quoted 2 lines I know almost instantly if I like it> > I know almost instantly if I like it > Are you sure? I think some music immediately draws you in, and some you
have
quoted 1 line to pay close attention to appreciate.> to pay close attention to appreciate.
I agree. Actually a lot of my favorite stuff does not appeal to me much on my first listen. When I listen to something for the first time I'm hoping to be blown away and so on, so tracks that are a bit inaccessible or demanding don't hold my attention all that well. After I've had an album for a few weeks, and I sit down and listen again without the 'just came back from the shops' feeling, a track which went under my radar the first time can suddenly really grab me. Similarly, stuff which sounds great the first few listens often sounds a bit obvious and trite later on. Of course the best stuff blows your mind the first time you hear it and continues to do so over and over and over. Autechre's 'Clipper' is one of my favorites in that regard.
quoted 1 line I had much narrower tastes when I was younger. Because so much was new to> I had much narrower tastes when I was younger. Because so much was new to
me
quoted 1 line I could spend a long time just getting the most out of a small range of> I could spend a long time just getting the most out of a small range of
stuff. I agree. On the other hand, while I'm open to much more music - not least because when you start making your own stuff, everything starts to sound interesting, even stuff you don't actually like - I'm still very selective about what I really like, and I feel the same sort of intensity that I did about the first records I bought as a teenager, though obviously for different musical reasons now. When I find something I really like, I still listen to it over and over like I did then. I suppose there's a continuum between liking music and being obsessed with it (I'm near the obsessed end). Many people like music but have other priorities, so they don't want something too demanding when they switch on the stereo. If music is your main priority in life then inevitably you have to put up with people asking you why you don't settle down to something more serious/productive/materially rewarding. And it affects other things - how many people on this list could happily date someone who listens to power ballads or boy/girl bands? Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org