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Okay, I know this is gonna be a touchy subject, but here goes. I was recently complaining to a friend about 'Confield' and some of the more recent IDM releases. I was saying how the music seems to be coming more from the "brain" and not so much from the "heart" (I'm not talking about all IDM artists here or even just about Autechre). It seems to me that some in the genre are going much the same way as modern art. It's less about evoking emotion and more about making an ideological statement. Take, for example, a piece I saw in the Tate Modern the other day. A nail stuck in a wall (ie no canvas). Okay, it's briefly interesting, but not very lasting. I would compare a lot of the "grooveless" music (note the quote marks) in IDM to this type of art. I'm not saying it isn't interesting or emotion provoking (Confield=discomfort), but it won't go down in the annals of great music. I think that leading from the brain will be a short lived approach to this music because emotions are infinity more interesting to us as humans. In my opinion Amber is better than Confield for this very reason (to use Autechre as a comparison again). I'm not saying that music has to be emotionally hypercharged all the time, but a little a bit in-between would be nice. It can be clever and groovy at the same time. What do you folks think? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Actaully this is not directly linked, but its very much on the topic of emotion in IDM music. It is a problem i find with a lot of 'IDM' artists. Take BoC, for example, non-threatening noodle. Warm noodling, granted, but that it is touted as particularly emotional seems innapropriate to me. For me it is a glorified easy listening, not provocative, emotionally or intellectually in any way. Im fine with easy listening, i have some myself (BoC included). But its just i think there is something being missed when music that is singularly one-dimensional in an emotional sense is presented as being particularly provocative, evocative etc. I think something is lost the tighter or more reductive to (like certain conceptual art pieces) a mildly interesting passing thought (clicks and pops). The space and ambiguity created by the uncontrolability of guitar/feedback, for example, is just removed, making the music emotionally sterile. Artists like Aphex or Monolake who use homemade synths (AFX) and found and captured sounds (both of them do), put back some of the unpredictability and elemental that is just not present in music that has been created singularly in the sterile environment of the laptop. The recent Biosphere reissue, i think, is an example of electronic music that really gets it right. partially because it is never about being electronic. Geir Jennsens (might have spelt his name wrong) Music is full of space, contrast and always an ambiguity. the emotion is not dictated to you with a flowery synth wash, which can be unsettling at first, but leads to a greater trip to deeper headspaces. Its unsettling nature means it forces you into going places where other music wouldnrt normally take you. Just thought id contribute my 2 cents worth to the discussion, which i think is an interesting one and id like to know what other people think. - thomas ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, [iso-8859-1] thomas shrubsole wrote:

quoted 4 lines problem i find with a lot of 'IDM' artists. Take BoC,

> problem i find with a lot of 'IDM' artists. Take BoC, > for example, non-threatening noodle. Warm noodling, > granted, but that it is touted as particularly > emotional seems innapropriate to me.

That's because it's all in the ears of the beholder. I'm not sure what part of the world you're from, but being from smack dab in the middle of Canada, and growing up watching NFB Wildlife vingettes and the Hinterland ditties, BoC is very emotional. It reminds me of coming home on cold winter days and having a nice warm bowl of tomato soup with my moms in front of the T.V. Emotion can be found in anything... music, soap, ashes, whatever. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: I am in no way suggesting that A is better than B, this is better than that, I am better than you, etc etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- thomas shrubsole <ageispolis0000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

quoted 14 lines Actaully this is not directly linked, but its very

> > Actaully this is not directly linked, but its very > much on the topic of emotion in IDM music. It is a > problem i find with a lot of 'IDM' artists. Take BoC, > for example, non-threatening noodle. Warm noodling, > granted, but that it is touted as particularly > emotional seems innapropriate to me. For me it is a > glorified easy listening, not provocative, emotionally > or intellectually in any way. Im fine with easy > listening, i have some myself (BoC included). But its > just i think there is something being missed when > music that is singularly one-dimensional in an > emotional sense is presented as being particularly > provocative, evocative etc.

I don't know what BoC you're listening to, but I've never heard anything by them I'd call "glorified easy listening". I'm trying to figure out if just seems tame compared to stuff you normally listen to, or if you're specifically referencing the mellow early 80s sounding chime voice they use in a few of their songs. When I think of BoC, I think of great head-nodding beats, spacey (and yes, sometimes soothing) synth lines, and unsettling melodic chord progressions with some semi- sinister-sounding subliminal message shit thrown on top of it for good measure. I'm not saying it's complex music, but I don't think that it's one-dimensional, and I certainly don't put it in a category with someone like Plone as far as being non-threatening. I think some of BoC's best stuff is downright unnerving. I think of "easy listening" as that obnoxious white-bread shit they play at offices that drives people to bring machine guns to work. I guess it just goes to show that beauty is in the eye of the beholder (except with ears or something). np: Techno Animal - Re-Entry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Actaully this is not directly linked, but its very much on the topic of emotion in IDM music. It is a problem i find with a lot of 'IDM' artists. Take BoC, for example, non-threatening noodle. Warm noodling, granted, but that it is touted as particularly emotional seems innapropriate to me. For me it is a glorified easy listening, not provocative, emotionally or intellectually in any way. Im fine with easy listening, i have some myself (BoC included). But its just i think there is something being missed when music that is singularly one-dimensional in an emotional sense is presented as being particularly provocative, evocative etc. I think something is lost the tighter or more reductive to (like certain conceptual art pieces) a mildly interesting passing thought (clicks and pops). The space and ambiguity created by the uncontrolability of guitar/feedback, for example, is just removed, making the music emotionally sterile. Artists like Aphex or Monolake who use homemade synths (AFX) and found and captured sounds (both of them do), put back some of the unpredictability and elemental that is just not present in music that has been created singularly in the sterile environment of the laptop. The recent Biosphere reissue, i think, is an example of electronic music that really gets it right. partially because it is never about being electronic. Geir Jennsens (might have spelt his name wrong) Music is full of space, contrast and always an ambiguity. the emotion is not dictated to you with a flowery synth wash, which can be unsettling at first, but leads to a greater trip to deeper headspaces. Its unsettling nature means it forces you into going places where other music wouldnrt normally take you. Just thought id contribute my 2 cents worth to the discussion, which i think is an interesting one and id like to know what other people think. - thomas ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Ben, It's all about perspective. For you it might seem intellectual, but to someone else it might be emotional. There might be something very deep about that nail to the artist who nailed it... maybe it represents an entire emotion for him: his x-wife. Or maybe it just represents his frustrations with society: a modern mirror. To you, it might represent a boring peice of metal thrusted into a cardboard prefab wall. To me it might be representative of the beauty of 'simplicity' and a message to see beauty in all things... or to the museum it just might be the spot where that missing painting was hanging!!! =-) p.s. I think you are missing context. You want someone to spell it out for you. Are looking for a meaning, where there might not be one? It might be up to you to find one... less be lost in the intellectual realm of the left brain [or was it the right one? help me out here guys]. For I am sure that others will see emotion where you have not. You can draw parallels form this to all things too... but that would be off topic. :P Seb. ~Okay, I know this is gonna be a touchy subject, but here goes. I was ~recently complaining to a friend about 'Confield' and some of the more ~recent IDM releases. I was saying how the music seems to be ~coming more from ~the "brain" and not so much from the "heart" (I'm not talking ~about all IDM ~artists here or even just about Autechre). It seems to me that ~some in the ~genre are going much the same way as modern art. It's less ~about evoking ~emotion and more about making an ideological statement. Take, ~for example, a ~piece I saw in the Tate Modern the other day. A nail stuck in ~a wall (ie no ~canvas). Okay, it's briefly interesting, but not very lasting. I would ~compare a lot of the "grooveless" music (note the quote marks) ~in IDM to ~this type of art. I'm not saying it isn't interesting or ~emotion provoking ~(Confield=discomfort), but it won't go down in the annals of ~great music. I ~think that leading from the brain will be a short lived ~approach to this ~music because emotions are infinity more interesting to us as ~humans. In my ~opinion Amber is better than Confield for this very reason (to ~use Autechre ~as a comparison again). I'm not saying that music has to be emotionally ~hypercharged all the time, but a little a bit in-between would ~be nice. It ~can be clever and groovy at the same time. What do you folks think? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line What do you folks think?

>What do you folks think?

I think, frankly, that you have just doomed the list to another week of half-assed amateur art criticism, pointless bickering, namecalling, irrelevant posts, and the inevitable return to the state of agreeing to disagree, with lots of "IMHOs" thrown about. Wells will probably say something witty, at least, and maybe Alex Reuterz, if he's even still around. The point you raise is mildly interesting but I'd rather see folks go off and read some histories of conceptual art and not waste the list space on it. When you say, "It seems to me that some in the genre are going much the same way as modern art," it's so vague as to be entirely meaningless. Which modern art(s)? Grounding the debate on such shaky foundations is a sure sign that it will collapse into nothing but rhetorical rubble and puffery. Read John Cage's "Silence," then talk about "emotion" vs "intelligence." Go see one of Carsten Nicolai's installations. Perhaps interacting with music on a level other than consumerism (buying CDs as entertainment product) will open up a different space for you. Cheers, Philip

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: my purpose is to write good music, not derive the Nth root of Pi through sound. m@2zo www.thechisa.com On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Philip Sherburne wrote:

quoted 32 lines What do you folks think?

> >What do you folks think? > > I think, frankly, that you have just doomed the list to another week of > half-assed amateur art criticism, pointless bickering, namecalling, > irrelevant posts, and the inevitable return to the state of agreeing to > disagree, with lots of "IMHOs" thrown about. Wells will probably say > something witty, at least, and maybe Alex Reuterz, if he's even still > around. > > The point you raise is mildly interesting but I'd rather see folks go off > and read some histories of conceptual art and not waste the list space on > it. When you say, "It seems to me that some in the genre are going much the > same way as modern art," it's so vague as to be entirely meaningless. Which > modern art(s)? Grounding the debate on such shaky foundations is a sure sign > that it will collapse into nothing but rhetorical rubble and puffery. > > Read John Cage's "Silence," then talk about "emotion" vs "intelligence." Go > see one of Carsten Nicolai's installations. Perhaps interacting with music > on a level other than consumerism (buying CDs as entertainment product) will > open up a different space for you. > > Cheers, > Philip > > > > > > > > >

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quoted 3 lines I

>I >think that leading from the brain will be a short lived approach to this >music because emotions are infinity more interesting to us as humans.

Are they?

quoted 3 lines It

>It >can be clever and groovy at the same time. What do you folks think? >

I think a synthesis of the two worlds would be ideal, yes? On the otherhand, I don't think fulfillment of the heart and the brain should be mutually exclusive. In fact, I don't find these two musical functions in direct competition. The problem here is that the "emotion" of music is highly subjective , varying both by culture and the individual. That being said, I get a lot out of "recognizably" melodic work and sometimes wish AE would do stuff as "sing-songey" as LP5. Ebola np: Plaid _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 7 Jun 2001, Ebola 3 wrote:

quoted 8 lines I

> > > > >I > >think that leading from the brain will be a short lived approach to this > >music because emotions are infinity more interesting to us as humans. > > Are they?

Only because of our big brains, which have gotten us in more trouble by thinking too damn much.

quoted 7 lines It

> > >It > >can be clever and groovy at the same time. What do you folks think? > > > > I think a synthesis of the two worlds would be ideal, yes? On the > otherhand, I don't think fulfillment of the heart and the brain should be

quoted 3 lines mutually exclusive. In fact, I don't find these two musical functions in

> mutually exclusive. In fact, I don't find these two musical functions in > direct competition. The problem here is that the "emotion" of music is > highly subjective , varying both by culture and the individual. That

being

quoted 1 line said, I get a lot out of "recognizably" melodic work and sometimes wish

> said, I get a lot out of "recognizably" melodic work and sometimes wish

AE

quoted 1 line would do stuff as "sing-songey" as LP5.

> would do stuff as "sing-songey" as LP5.

'Course, ya gotta watch out and make sure you don't rely on your big brain too much, otherwise we'll just fool ourselves into liking things merely because they're beyond our brain's comprehension (thus tending to make our brains even bigger, which is obviously part of their evil plot) cheers, /derek p.s. we should start skimming down on emotions anyways. who's for picking out 3 or 4 good solid emotions and just applying them in different parts for songs? we could have, say, happy, sad, confused, and nostaligic, and say autechre is 1/2 parts happy, 3 parts sad, and 8 parts confused, whereas they used to be 2 parts happy, 4 parts sad, 1 part confused, and 3 parts nostalgic. it would make reviews a lot easier and maybe help to shrink our big brains a bit. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I'm sorry, you must want the "EDM" (Emotional Dance Music) list, down the stairs and to your left. More seriously, the very premise of a conflict between "Intelligence vs Emotion" is wrong on so many levels that I don't think useful argument is possible. First, because dividing them into a duality is wholly artificial; they are but two culturally-defined regions in the multidimensional space of human experience. Second, even as conventionally defined there is an enormous overlap between the two spheres. Third, the interplay between them (and the rest) is so individual that arguing about them is even more pointless than arguing over ones experience of the color "red" vs that of the color "blue." I could go on, but I think my point is made. Perhaps it's just because there is more adolescent angst here than this (relatively) old man is used to, but there sure seems to be a lot of folks out to buttress their own sense of self-worth by throwing up challenges such as this, pitting their world-view against those who might see things differently. It doesn't work. Trust me; such attempts to "enlighten" form a hollow goal. -Ed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:28:49 -0400 (EDT) To: Philip Sherburne <philip@askjeeves.com>

quoted 1 line From: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net>

>>>From: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net>

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: my purpose is to write good music, not derive the Nth root of Pi through sound.<<<< Totally agree. 2 questions music makers should ask themselves: 1) what is music? 2) what is noise? toodle-pip, Paul Chillage np: sounds of my anus (in real time) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line np: sounds of my anus (in real time)

> np: sounds of my anus (in real time)

ride on, I hope that your tastes do not stink too much philippe http://www.bip-hop.com ambient landscapes, creative and melodic musica... SPACEHADS and MAX EASTLEY : the time of the ancient astronaut [bleep 04] Spaceheads have teamed up with Max Eastley, who wields The Arc (an electric acoustic monochord), and done just that -- removed the motorik syncopated driving beats and replaced them with shimmering cymbals and small percussive gestures and squiggles, while extending the trumpet into neverendingly evocative chilled-out washes of pure vibratoless horn. Although I am not quite sure what the monochord looks like or how it works, it sounds much like an early analogue moog synth, erupting in wails at times hellish and chaotic, at times placid and harmonious. An ambient record. Relaxing yet with an undercurrent that will unsettle you in a good way.

quoted 1 line Aquarius newslist - May 2001

>Aquarius newslist - May 2001

--------------------------------------------------------------------- The superb Spaceheads expand to a trio with the addition of sound sculptor and instrument inventor Max Eastley. Their recording, starts with a distantly eerie set of music with soaring trumpet, drums in irregular march and Eastley's 'Arc' (an electroacoustic monochord) imitating an out-of-tune violin for the feel of a soundtrack to a particularly grim part of a '60s Biblical epic. Though recorded as one long piece, they've thoughtfully indexed the CD into 'songs' or sections as the sounds change. Andy Diagram's trumpet flutters like a voice in tremolo, other times filling the space with impossibly long notes (he blows then expands the sound beyond the temporal range of human breath). Richard Harrison's work is far more detailed than his usual sensitive funk, mostly altered bowed and scraped and bent metal. Eastley dances in slow curlicues around them both (at least I think that's him). Very, very nice.

quoted 1 line [RE] Other Music Update (May 16, 2001)

>[RE] Other Music Update (May 16, 2001)

quoted 20 lines More seriously, the very premise of a conflict between "Intelligence

> More seriously, the very premise of a conflict between "Intelligence > vs Emotion" is wrong on so many levels that I don't think useful > argument is possible. First, because dividing them into a duality > is wholly artificial; they are but two culturally-defined regions > in the multidimensional space of human experience. Second, even as > conventionally defined there is an enormous overlap between the two > spheres. Third, the interplay between them (and the rest) is so > individual that arguing about them is even more pointless than arguing > over ones experience of the color "red" vs that of the color "blue." > > I could go on, but I think my point is made. > > Perhaps it's just because there is more adolescent angst here than > this (relatively) old man is used to, but there sure seems to be a > lot of folks out to buttress their own sense of self-worth by throwing > up challenges such as this, pitting their world-view against those who > might see things differently. It doesn't work. Trust me; such attempts > to "enlighten" form a hollow goal. > > -Ed

Er, I'm not saying I want to separate intelligence from emotion. What I am saying is that some IDM music has a tendency to be written with a focus on the mathematics behind the sound rather than just making a good decent tune. (Sorry m@2zo, I think you've already said this). I don't think that this approach to music making has very much longevity in it, except to the elite few. That's not to say it's invalid. After all, it might influence someone down the line who uses it as an ingredient in their own music, but I don't think it stands very well on it's own. This genre needs more musicians and less scientists. PS. I'm not trying to enlighten anyone Ed. Didn't mean it sound that way. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 13 lines -----Original Message-----

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kirkley [mailto:ben.kirkley@displaypost.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:19 AM > To: edhall@weirdnoise.com; Idm > Subject: Re: [idm] IDM - Intelligence vs Emotion > > Er, I'm not saying I want to separate intelligence from emotion. What I am > saying is that some IDM music has a tendency to be written with a focus on > the mathematics behind the sound rather than just making a good > decent tune. > I don't think that this > approach to music making has very much longevity in it, except to > the elite

From what I understand - and keep in mind I'm no music scholar - very much of classical music began with someone focusing on "the mathematics behind the sound". Even without advanced mathmatics of any sort, a lot of it was playing with the rules and forms of writing music, sometimes trying to make something pure or spiritual. Music of the spheres or music of God, that sort of stuff. The motives may be slightly different, but nevertheless, focusing on the math or the rules of music itself to make new music has a long and respected history in western music, and probably in some other cultures as well. Not to say that there's anything wrong with math or "just making a good decent tune." I pretty much don't worry about such things and just like stuff or don't like stuff. I suggest others do the same, unless you're a music scholar, in which case you enjoy this stuff on a different level than I do, and that's fine, too :D -damek love, lord ambassador of high _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

~This genre needs more ~musicians and ~less scientists. Very true. But unfortunately, for this kind of musicians you kind of need [and it draws] scientists to understand a lot of the tools they work with... =) Let's not forget though that it is not new for scientists to be making music. Music has always had an element of math involved, and science is never too far off philosophy. They; we- just have to remember to keep it "musical" and not "medical"... =))) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines They; we- just have to remember to keep it "musical" and not "medical"

> They; we- just have to remember to keep it "musical" and not "medical"... > =)))

I don't mean to presume, but I do think you mean "clinical", not "medical". Hmmm. Now I'm wondering what "medical" music would sound like...I don't think I would play Matmos in a hospital; that would be just *too* disturbing. ;) _________________________ Christopher Sorg Multimedia Artist/Teacher http://csorg.cjb.net csorg@enteract.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

~I don't mean to presume, but I do think you mean "clinical", not ~"medical". ~ ~Hmmm. Now I'm wondering what "medical" music would sound ~like...I don't ~think I would play Matmos in a hospital; that would be just *too* ~disturbing. ;) oops, yeah, "clinical" - but that didn't have as nice a ring as "musical and medical' now did it??? =)))) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines np: sounds of my anus (in real time)

> >np: sounds of my anus (in real time) >

Dood...crack a window. Ebola np: Confield _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines what the fuck is this thread supposed to be about? I could see > if it was

>what the fuck is this thread supposed to be about? I could see > if it was >a >discussion of how the music made you feel or the techniques >used, but, >uh, >shut up.

quoted 2 lines go fucking make an off topic mailing list.

>go fucking make an off topic mailing list. >threads like this is the reason this list has gone to shit.

quoted 2 lines do you people realize there are hundreds of people who have to >put up with

>do you people realize there are hundreds of people who have to >put up with >such bullshit that its almost pointless to read the list now ?

quoted 1 line delphi

>delphi

Geez delphi, you're a fucking idiot. Maybe you should try reading a thread before you dis it. Here's a tip: if you don't like a thread DON'T FUCKING READ IT. I see nothing wrong with someone have an opinion on the music they enjoy listening to. If you've got something against it then I suggest you go join the Britney Spears mailing list. People like you have no place around here. Unsubscribe now. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Sebastian Chedal wrote:

quoted 7 lines ~This genre needs more

> ~This genre needs more > ~musicians and > ~less scientists. > > Very true. But unfortunately, for this kind of musicians you kind of need > [and it draws] scientists to understand a lot of the tools they work with... > =)

However, the tools themselves are getting easier and easier to work with...this is one reason why music like Autechre's has moved out of academia and into bedrooms around the world, the equipment and software has become much more affordable and easy to use than it used to be. John -- John von Seggern DJ/producer Digital Cutup Lounge Hong Kong http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines what the fuck is this thread supposed to be about? I could see > if it was

>>what the fuck is this thread supposed to be about? I could see > if it was >>a >>discussion of how the music made you feel or the techniques >used, but, >>uh, >>shut up.

I was wondering the same thing. I suppose someone out there thought by answering the "Intelligence Vs Emotion" that they would illuminate a central existential conundrum. What a waste of time _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org