so, electronic music isnt real music?
definition of a musical instrument - object that creates specific sound when
manipulated.
i played guitar in my first band, drums in my second, and now i program in
my third. am i now less of a musician?
what makes IDM any better or worse than metal, soul, jazz or classical?
nothing.
it is just one form of music in a wonderful varied world of different styles
and sounds.
however, ignorant and arrogant fucks like you, who basically dont understand
what IDM, or indeed, electronic music is really about, feel the need to rant
the age old "your just using a smapler, anyone can do it"
well, you dumb fuck, i play several instuments, and listen and compose
several styles of music. and decent IDM is the most complex and difficult.
but nevermind. why should i get angry with worthless, obviously stupid
uncultured idiots such as yourselves. i love IDM, as well as many other
styles, and i appreciate all that it has to offer. and i dont feel the need
to rant on about how rock music is all the same 4/4 guitar/bass/drum/vocals,
or folk music remaining unchanged for so many years, or hip-hop using
sampled music instead of new, etc. etc.
grow up.
quoted 97 lines From: "peter chavez" <dspeter5000@hotmail.com>
>From: "peter chavez" <dspeter5000@hotmail.com>
>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [idm] the haters
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:56:25 -0000
>
>You are a blithering idiot and a great buffoon.
>
>Many works of genius were realized and finalized in bedrooms the world
>over.
> When was the last time you listened to Selected Ambient Works 1? Surely
>you have the deductive powers to realized that it's mixed like dog shit,
>cassette tape and what not, but so many people love it for it's purely
>musical beauty. Maybe you agree with me there. I mean, I know you have an
>SSL GL series and a rack full of Neves in a 10,000 square foot studio on
>the
>Riviera, but, some of us are still working on our music degrees and most of
>us just like to listen to and talk shit about the music we love.
>
>OH-and as far as people being critical of a "sample" or a "mix" goes, well,
>Lester Bangs, this IS the idm list. Most idm involves use of electronics.
>If you want to be philosophical about a voice or instrumental talent, you
>are not in the right ballgame, not the right ballpark, not even the right
>sport. Probably not the right planet, either. You should read your email
>when you're sober.
>
>You all need to study English Literature again. Cex's irony is wasted on
>so
>many of you, and his bravery is mistaken for arrogance or shit-talking.
>He's just putting his money where his mouth is, which many of you refuse to
>do.
>
>peace
>
>petey
>
>>From: "Martin" <apollon@freeuk.com>
>>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>Subject: Re: [idm] the haters
>>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:22:25 +0000
>>
>>
>>I couldn't agree more with this msg, most people on this list have no
>>conception of music, only sound... the inverted snobbery of raving about a
>>particular sample or mix rather than someones voice or instrumental talent
>>is absolutely negative, most idm artists and listeners seem to have no
>>knowledge of anything not created using a sampler or sequencer
>>programme...the ears of most listeners have been polluted by poor quality,
>>bedroom mixing and mp3 conversion...many idm artists spend thousands of
>>dollars on kit an often just regurgitate someone elses sound...quite a few
>>10 year old kids could do a similar job
>>
>>Martin Lee-Stephenson
>> > I can't believe the utter stupidity of even discussing this. THE ONLY
>> > TIME YOU HEAR ACTUAL MUSIC IS WHEN SOMEONE PLAYS AN ACOUSTIC INSTRUMENT
>> > WITHIN THE RANGE OF YOUR UNAUGMENTED EARS.
>> >
>> > Everything else is DSP fuckery. Check out a copy of Mix Magazine
>>sometime
>> > and read one of the blow by blow descriptions of recording and mixing
>> > a pop hit. Artists like Cex, Kid606, Kit Clayton, etc conceptually
>> > turn the artifice of mass culture pop on their head, by flaunting and
>> > abusing the tools the majors use to fool you into thinking you're
>>hearing
>> > music. It's the musical equivelant of the Centre Pompidou, with all the
>> > ductwork and conduit on the outside.
>> >
>> > Shit, most of y'all probably don't even LIKE music that can be made by
>>a
>> > human being without electricity. Judge music on whether it moves you or
>>not.
>> > Don't whine about the electrons people shove around.
>> >
>> > kent williams -- kent@avalon.net
>> > http://www.cornwarning.com -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label
>> > http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes
>> >
>> >
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