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quoted 4 lines So I hear he's having an album coming out sometime (heh) on, I think

>So I hear he's having an album coming out sometime (heh) on, I think >it was musik aus strom? Is that wrong? Also, I know about the >"still delayed" EP on Sonic Therapy - any way I can help get that >out?

I don't want to sound sarcastic, but - loan me $500 to $1000 and we could see it really soon. I hate to whine about my shitty year on the list again, but basically I spent about 4 months in 2000 unemployed due to various stupid decisions, asshole people, fucked up companies, and general idiots. And no, I'm not claiming that not of it was my fault. Some good chunk of it was. But a lot of it wasn't up to me either. Anyway, I have a job now, but I'm not making very much money. I've got a company that claims they want to hire me, and then institued a hiring freeze on their helpdesk. Or something. Maybe. I get a different story every time I call the recruiter. And oh yes, I get to deal with recruiters, the greatest source of evil and idiocy. So I'm waiting on a company whose name rhymes with "Snoretel" to hire me. In the meantime, I've done a few other interviews to get a job that pays more in line with my previous salary requirements. So something may give soon, assuming the company doesn't hire me and then fire me two days later. WHEE! Have I mentioned fuck corporate America yet? I'm also working towards getting little pieces of paper so companies have to treat me better nad give me more money instead of making me be a phone monkey and treat me like shit. That and I'm working to start up my own business if at all possible. So it may be a while yet.

quoted 5 lines Any other news about Proem? "Burn Plate No. 1" is my favorite

>Any other news about Proem? "Burn Plate No. 1" is my favorite >release from1999 - best culmination of "that sound" I've ever heard >(whatever that means). Does anyone know if new material will be >anything like that? Just asking since so many artists seem to be >doing about-faces these days in their styles...

Well, we've got the RAs up on our site of the "still delayed" record. There's the "Too Many Cookies" EP he did for http://www.mono211.com. Oh the fun of having labels you love scoop you. My friend Matt Barnhart is putting out a Legendary Crystal Chandelier album I wanted to do. Mono211 put out a Proem EP and the final Binary album. Meanwhile, I'm trying to keep my phone on and not have my credit card accounts closed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

EggyToast.. have a listen to Proem's latest release on N5MD called "Among Others". When you've totally absorbed this album, come on back and shed some thoughts! This is Rick Bailey finest album to date! Pietro. || audio::nimbus :: pietro@audionimbus.com .. .. .. || www.audionimbus.com, www.igloomag.com || p.o. box 443, orange - california, 92856 .. .. ..

At 02:30 PM 2/25/2002 -0800, audio::nimbus wrote:

quoted 4 lines EggyToast.. have a listen to Proem's latest release on

>EggyToast.. have a listen to Proem's latest release on >N5MD called "Among Others". When you've totally absorbed >this album, come on back and shed some thoughts! This >is Rick Bailey finest album to date!

Is it all pad-y? Or are there tracks where he lays off the pads? :D derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but you can download proem's negativ album on emusic, along with a bunch of other stuff from the merck label. (Negativ is great, and I've also been enjoying stuff from Ilkae and md.) http://www.emusic.com/cd/10604/10604350.html http://www.emusic.com/label/90/90398.html -- http://www.dimflash.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

merck records is the top of cool. On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 12:43 PM, David Futrelle wrote:

quoted 16 lines I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but you can download

> I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but you can download > proem's negativ album on emusic, along with a bunch of other stuff from > the merck label. (Negativ is great, and I've also been enjoying stuff > from Ilkae and md.) > > http://www.emusic.com/cd/10604/10604350.html > > http://www.emusic.com/label/90/90398.html > > -- > http://www.dimflash.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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that liveMD is so good, i want more. any proem recommendations? d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Socially Inept. (merck). I have the new ep, but haven't played it yet. jeff At 10:45 AM 5/11/2004, chthonic streams wrote:

quoted 8 lines that liveMD is so good, i want more. any proem recommendations?

>that liveMD is so good, i want more. any proem recommendations? > > >d. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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'Negativ' (Merck) [2001] is good - beats are pretty crunchy and in your face. 'Socially Inept' (Merck) [2004] is a little more 'refined' and more advanced melodically, but still pretty sharp beatwise. Both recommended. alan On Tue, 11 May 2004 10:45:43 -0400 chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:

quoted 9 lines that liveMD is so good, i want more. any proem recommendations?

> that liveMD is so good, i want more. any proem recommendations? > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I tried to send this to the list earlier today but the list won't accept mail sent from my webmail interface for some reason. First, I concur on the Proem recommendations so far - Negative & Socially Inept are great albums, I think. As in, I really enjoyed them, and recommend them to someone who liked the LiveMD, not as in I think they are "great" like the Mona Lisa or something. However, if you're into the liveMD, and would like to try some more before you buy, check out www.proemland.com - Rich has some of his other livesets up there for free download, mostly in Ogg Vorbis format, but also a few older ones in MP3 I think. I would also highly recommend his "Among Others" album on n5MD, which you can download from n5MD's new download service, for $9.99. And finally, you can also get his first album, "Burn Plate No 1", on iTunes, of all places! On May 11, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Alan R. Lockett wrote:

quoted 36 lines 'Negativ' (Merck) [2001] is good - beats are pretty crunchy and in

> > 'Negativ' (Merck) [2001] is good - beats are pretty crunchy and in > your face. > 'Socially Inept' (Merck) [2004] is a little more 'refined' and more > advanced > melodically, but still pretty sharp beatwise. > Both recommended. > > alan > > > On Tue, 11 May 2004 10:45:43 -0400 chthonic streams > <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > >> that liveMD is so good, i want more. any proem recommendations? >> >> >> d. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > ---------------------- > Alan Lockett, (Senior Language Co-ordinator, EFL), > Language Centre, University of Bristol, > 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol BS8 1PY, UK > Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk > tel: +44 117 3310914 fax: +44 117 9741377 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I'll agree with the others' recommendations, and also say that you should pick up his first album, Burn Plate No.1. I don't know how easy it is to get ahold of, but it's great stuff. -Alan Quoting chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>:

quoted 10 lines that liveMD is so good, i want more. any proem recommendations?

> that liveMD is so good, i want more. any proem recommendations? > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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All his stuff pales in comparison to his first album Burn Plate No. 1. All the stuff to follow is nice in a floaty tinkly easy listening idm sorta way, but at least on the first album it sounds like he had some musical statement to make. I haven't even bothered picking up his last couple releases 'cause now it seems like he's gonna be stuck in that easy listening idm rut forever. 'Negativ' (Merck) [2001] is good - beats are pretty crunchy and in your face. 'Socially Inept' (Merck) [2004] is a little more 'refined' and more advanced melodically, but still pretty sharp beatwise. Both recommended. alan

quoted 2 lines that liveMD is so good, i want more.

>>that liveMD is so good, i want more. >>any proem recommendations?

I highly recommend the "No Carrier EP" (Component) CD3 and his latest "Live" recording on n5MD (as you noted). He's also just put out an EP sized disc on Coredump Records called "Songs For the City Bus" featuring remixes by Esem and Nautilis. Here's a discog: http://www.discogs.com/artist/proem And here are some reviews: Proem :: Socially Inept (Merck, CD) http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=632&category=reviews Proem :: No Carrier EP (Component, CD3) http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=291&category=reviews Proem :: Negativ (Merck, CD) http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=184&category=reviews Proem :: Among Others (n5MD, MD) http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=235&category=reviews Hope this helps, Pietro. // -- Digital::Nimbus || Exp. Electronic RADIO KUCI 88.9 FM, Friday Nights 12-3am (PST) http://kuci.org || http://digitalnimbus.com PO Box 443, Orange, CA 92856 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist ever? All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads and sharp crunchy beats my ass... But hey, it might just be me. Visa --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 7 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist

> Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > ever? > > All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads > and sharp crunchy beats my ass... > > But hey, it might just be me.

The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same thing. Lots of slow pads and crunchy beats. nothing really stood out to me, even compared to other artists that employ the same thing (like Phonem who even has a similar name). Those other artists seem to put more of their own spin on it. Proem just seems to be going through the motions. Of course, I think his fans would argue that he goes through those motions *really well*. Which is valid -- it's ok to strive for a certain sound that fits well within what people are expecting, and do it really well. There are a lot of people who like that kind of sound and proem hits it pretty dead on. derek -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 18 lines The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same

> The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same > thing. Lots > of slow pads and crunchy beats. nothing really stood out to me, even > compared to other artists that employ the same thing (like > Phonem who even > has a similar name). Those other artists seem to put more of > their own > spin on it. Proem just seems to be going through the motions. > > Of course, I think his fans would argue that he goes through > those motions > *really well*. Which is valid -- it's ok to strive for a > certain sound > that fits well within what people are expecting, and do it > really well. > There are a lot of people who like that kind of sound and > proem hits it > pretty dead on.

hm, this is pretty close to what I was thinking about freeform when I heard the latest ep, although I'd also be among those who'd argue for it as a fan. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I just have to reply to this in my own way: On May 11, 2004, at 12:10 PM, visa wrote:

quoted 6 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist

> Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > ever? > > All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal > pads and > sharp crunchy beats my ass...

I can see how someone would think that, but I think he has his own Proemy spin on it and I really like it. I would apply the same description to Phonem, Arovane, Funckarma, and a load of others. Boring to me, sounds like they're trying to be Autechre. But lately I've been getting into Funckarma, like, all their stuff back to Parts and everything. And it always bored me before. Just goes to show it's pretty much all subjective. It's we who grow and hear and sometimes forget how to hear what we once loved. The music, it's all just so much sound and fury... :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:23:13 -0400 Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:

quoted 12 lines I just have to reply to this in my own way:

> I just have to reply to this in my own way: > > On May 11, 2004, at 12:10 PM, visa wrote: > > Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > > ever? > > > > All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal > > pads and > > sharp crunchy beats my ass... > > I can see how someone would think that, but I think he has his own > Proemy spin on it and I really like it.

I agree. He's seems to have taken a recognisable generic template and embroidered over it in such a way as to create his own 'voice'.

quoted 3 lines I would apply the same description to Phonem, Arovane, Funckarma, and a load

> I would apply the same description to Phonem, Arovane, Funckarma, and a load > of others. > Boring to me, sounds like they're trying to be Autechre.

I don't agree. They've all taken the early-AE template and tweaked it differently. I would argue that none of them actually sound anything like Autechre. I would say that Arovane very quickly developed his own unmistakeable signature style, likewise Funckarma (and Quench for that matter). As for Phonem, I would argue less for the merit and individuality of his work. Point being, all of them work from within an established (sonic) framework; this is quite normal in many (artistic) areas, where genre features drive the production of something individual but recognisably belonging to a tradition. I guess what some of the posters have been saying about Proem is that they find that his music incarnates those formal genre features a little too 'perfectly'.

quoted 5 lines But lately I've been getting into Funckarma, like, all their stuff back to

> But lately I've been getting into Funckarma, like, all their stuff back to > Parts and everything. And it always bored me before. Just goes to show it's > pretty much all subjective. It's we who grow and hear and sometimes > forget how to hear what we once loved. The music, it's all just so > much sound and fury... :P

Interestingly, I've found recent Funckarma output (on EP) to be harder to appreciate the more they seem to have explored a more personalised style. 'DemSongzByWe' is particularly difficult to digest. 'Smizm' goes down a little easier, but for me the earlier 'Bourbon Sounds' and 'Parts' knock 'em into a cocked hat. Puts me in mind a little of what happened to Autechre pre- v. post-1995. alan ---------------------- Alan Lockett, (Senior Language Co-ordinator, EFL), Language Centre, University of Bristol, 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol BS8 1PY, UK Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk tel: +44 117 3310914 fax: +44 117 9741377 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 11 lines The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same thing. Lots

> The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same thing. Lots > of slow pads and crunchy beats. nothing really stood out to me, even > compared to other artists that employ the same thing (like Phonem who even > has a similar name). Those other artists seem to put more of their own > spin on it. Proem just seems to be going through the motions. > Of course, I think his fans would argue that he goes through those motions > *really well*. Which is valid -- it's ok to strive for a certain sound > that fits well within what people are expecting, and do it really well. > There are a lot of people who like that kind of sound and proem hits it > pretty dead on. > derek

This summation hits it pretty dead on, imo. ;) seek np: Lucia Pamela - 'Into Outer Space' (Monotrona ain't got nothin' on Lucia. ;)) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 9 lines Of course, I think his fans would argue that he goes through

> > Of course, I think his fans would argue that he goes through > > those motions > > *really well*. Which is valid -- it's ok to strive for a > > certain sound > > that fits well within what people are expecting, and do it > > really well. > > There are a lot of people who like that kind of sound and > > proem hits it > > pretty dead on.

quoted 3 lines hm, this is pretty close to what I was thinking

> hm, this is pretty close to what I was thinking > about freeform when I heard the latest ep, although > I'd also be among those who'd argue for it as a fan.

I'd argue against the new Freeform as a fan: it's too small to keep anyone cool, no matter hard and fast one waves it. And I wouldn't recommend listening to it, either. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines I'd argue against the new Freeform as a fan: it's too small to

> I'd argue against the new Freeform as a fan: it's too small to > keep anyone cool, no matter hard and fast one waves it. > > And I wouldn't recommend listening to it, either.

this coming from someone who didn't even like the new squarepusher! ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist

> Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > ever?

No, that'd be the Schematic stuff, or some of the shameful demos that get posted to the list. (For the record: Ground Chuck is some of the best stuff I've heard in a while - he's got it in spades.)

quoted 4 lines All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads and

> All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads and > sharp crunchy beats my ass... > > But hey, it might just be me.

And now, I shall weigh in. (whee!) There was a time to me when Proem's stuff was alive and vital and sounded good. The live shows, to me, were even better, because he was playing unreleased music and I liked the songs even more. You knew when you saw Proem that at least it wasn't going to be a completely familiar experience, even if his "live" aspect is him clicking a mouse and smoking. I saw him live at SXSW, and frankly - he had it and he lost it. It was pretty dull, didn't seem much of a progression from what I'd been hearing when I left off listening. Discl(aimer|osure): I was going to put out a Proem 12" for a while. It was later released as that MD, minus the... Colongib remix? Proem has always been a bit of a caustic guy, and after a certain point he started completely ignoring me instead of at least treating me as a friend. So, if you're big on the fact you took Psych 101, you can argue that's what would motivate these feelings. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 5/11/04 1:31 PM, hime@charter.net at hime@charter.net wrote:

quoted 15 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist

>> Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist >> ever? > > No, that'd be the Schematic stuff, or some of the shameful demos that get > posted to the list. > > (For the record: Ground Chuck is some of the best stuff I've heard in a while > - he's got it in spades.) > >> All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads and >> sharp crunchy beats my ass... >> >> But hey, it might just be me. > > And now, I shall weigh in. (whee!)

So, if you're big on

quoted 2 lines the fact you took Psych 101, you can argue that's what would motivate these

> the fact you took Psych 101, you can argue that's what would motivate these > feelings.

Far more interesting would be the motivation behind your comment on Schematic. np: PHOENECIA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 5/11/04 1:18 PM, :: arg :: at chris@magdalene.org wrote:

quoted 9 lines I'd argue against the new Freeform as a fan: it's too small to

>> I'd argue against the new Freeform as a fan: it's too small to >> keep anyone cool, no matter hard and fast one waves it. >> >> And I wouldn't recommend listening to it, either. > > this coming from someone who didn't > even like the new squarepusher! > > ;)

!!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines this coming from someone who didn't

> > this coming from someone who didn't > > even like the new squarepusher! > > > > ;) > > > !!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

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!!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

quoted 2 lines I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

> > I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

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quoted 3 lines I'd argue against the new Freeform as a fan: it's too small to

> > I'd argue against the new Freeform as a fan: it's too small to > > keep anyone cool, no matter hard and fast one waves it. > > And I wouldn't recommend listening to it, either.

quoted 3 lines this coming from someone who didn't

> this coming from someone who didn't > even like the new squarepusher! > ;)

I love it. It's a great coaster. ;) seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Far more interesting would be the motivation behind your comment on

> Far more interesting would be the motivation behind your comment on > Schematic.

I find most "glitch" and "DSP fuckery" tedious. Like that whole "pop songs with a bunch of DSP on top" trend. Thank god that died. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines :: arg :: wrote:

> :: arg :: wrote: > >> I'd argue against the new Freeform as a fan: it's too small to > >> keep anyone cool, no matter hard and fast one waves it. > >> And I wouldn't recommend listening to it, either.

quoted 3 lines this coming from someone who didn't

> > this coming from someone who didn't > > even like the new squarepusher! > > ;)

quoted 1 line !!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

> !!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

Somehow, I don't think so. ;) seek np: Carsten Jost - 'You Don't Need a Weatherman...' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines this coming from someone who didn't

> > > this coming from someone who didn't > > > even like the new squarepusher! > > > ;)

quoted 1 line !!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

> > !!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

quoted 1 line I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

> I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

No, you thought the new Datach'i was album of the year. ;) seek np: no mu. yes Mu Mu. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line !!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

> !!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

quoted 1 line I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

> > I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

quoted 1 line Your opinion? ^ or the sound of the crowd?

> Your opinion? ^ or the sound of the crowd?

One hand clapping. ;) seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 5/11/04 2:29 PM, seeklektek at eclectics@comcast.net wrote:

quoted 2 lines ----- Original Message -----

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "max0666"

!!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

quoted 3 lines I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

> >>> I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!? >

Your opinion? ^ or the sound of the crowd?

quoted 5 lines One hand clapping. ;)

> > > One hand clapping. ;) > > seek

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quoted 3 lines seeklektek wrote:

> seeklektek wrote: > > From: "max0666" > !!!! ^ ^ ^ and this coming from someone who did?

quoted 1 line I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

> >>> I thought it was the album of the year?!?!!?

quoted 1 line Your opinion? ^ or the sound of the crowd?

> Your opinion? ^ or the sound of the crowd?

quoted 2 lines One hand clapping. ;)

> > One hand clapping. ;) > > seek

quoted 1 line right on, i can hear the cheers; oh sorry i meant cheer.

> right on, i can hear the cheers; oh sorry i meant cheer.

Those are ~all~ jeers, my dear. ;) seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yes! I couldn't agree more here. I know I was talking badly about his newest album a bit ago and I failed to mention that Burn Plate No. 1 is excellent. As is/was all of that early Hydrant and Sprout material. Anyone remember The Brittle Ones CDR on Sprout? What an excellent little CDR that was. Milo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com> To: "Alan R. Lockett" <Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk>; "chthonic streams" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: RE: [idm] proem

quoted 1 line All his stuff pales in comparison to his first album Burn Plate No. 1. All

> All his stuff pales in comparison to his first album Burn Plate No. 1. All

the stuff to follow is nice in a floaty tinkly easy listening idm sorta way, but at least on the first album it sounds like he had some musical statement to make.

quoted 2 lines I haven't even bothered picking up his last couple releases 'cause now it

> > I haven't even bothered picking up his last couple releases 'cause now it

seems like he's gonna be stuck in that easy listening idm rut forever.

quoted 4 lines 'Negativ' (Merck) [2001] is good - beats are pretty crunchy and in your

> > > > 'Negativ' (Merck) [2001] is good - beats are pretty crunchy and in your

face.

quoted 1 line 'Socially Inept' (Merck) [2004] is a little more 'refined' and more

> 'Socially Inept' (Merck) [2004] is a little more 'refined' and more

advanced

quoted 8 lines melodically, but still pretty sharp beatwise.

> melodically, but still pretty sharp beatwise. > Both recommended. > > alan > > > >

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I'm going to chime in and show some words of support for proem. As far as I'm concerned, he's one of the most consistant artists out there. I have yet to hear something from him that I wasn't completely impressed with. I guess for me it's that his music hits me at both an intellectual and emotional level. In terms of the cliche' statement, that's about as valid as saying that every rock bad is a cliche because they use they use guitar,bass, and drums. There may be numerous other artists out there doing similar things, but I think that Proem does it among the best in genre. Now on to the personal slagging. I've dealt with Proem quite a bit and I've always found him to be really cool and very professional. He's always had a great attitude in the projects he's been involved with for component and I've heard good things about him from the other labels labels that deal with him. There are plenty of far shittier artists you all could be ragging on! Rob/Component ----- Original Message ----- From: <hime@charter.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: [idm] proem

quoted 4 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist

> > Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > > ever? > > No, that'd be the Schematic stuff, or some of the shameful demos that get

posted to the list.

quoted 2 lines (For the record: Ground Chuck is some of the best stuff I've heard in a

> > (For the record: Ground Chuck is some of the best stuff I've heard in a

while - he's got it in spades.)

quoted 2 lines All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads

> > > All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads

and

quoted 7 lines sharp crunchy beats my ass...

> > sharp crunchy beats my ass... > > > > But hey, it might just be me. > > And now, I shall weigh in. (whee!) > > There was a time to me when Proem's stuff was alive and vital and sounded

good. The live shows, to me, were even better, because he was playing unreleased music and I liked the songs even more. You knew when you saw Proem that at least it wasn't going to be a completely familiar experience, even if his "live" aspect is him clicking a mouse and smoking.

quoted 2 lines I saw him live at SXSW, and frankly - he had it and he lost it. It was

> > I saw him live at SXSW, and frankly - he had it and he lost it. It was

pretty dull, didn't seem much of a progression from what I'd been hearing when I left off listening.

quoted 2 lines Discl(aimer|osure): I was going to put out a Proem 12" for a while. It was

> > Discl(aimer|osure): I was going to put out a Proem 12" for a while. It was

later released as that MD, minus the... Colongib remix? Proem has always been a bit of a caustic guy, and after a certain point he started completely ignoring me instead of at least treating me as a friend. So, if you're big on the fact you took Psych 101, you can argue that's what would motivate these feelings.

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Uh.. Yeah so? Isn't it what we all like? Isn't it why we all subscribe to this list? I find half the music discussed here isn't really what i'd call IDM. Dubby minimal techno drony rock ain't IDM. I like Proem. Most of his stuff is awesome. My favorite Proem track could be Drool Master off the album Burn Plate no.1 even if its a bit dated. I think the sound quality has improved a lot in his last albums.

quoted 4 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist

> Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > ever? > > All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads

and

quoted 1 line sharp crunchy beats my ass...

> sharp crunchy beats my ass...

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all this talk about proem release's but not much said about his new ep on coredump records titled "songs 4 the city bus". fans of burnplate will love this as it leans towards that style of production. below is a snip from the press release. the album can be ordered via coredump's web site @ www.coredumprecords.net <snip> this record is nine slabs of crystallized diesel. based off of heavily sliced and microdiced[tm] samples from the first 45 seconds of an unnamed 'austin blues artist'* [*the plague of austin tx], songs 4 the city bus retains some of the original "hardboiled" crunch that you wont find in some of Proem's current work for n5md or merck. featuring incredible remixes from nautilis [planet-mu] and esem [m3rck]. </snip> i have known rick for over 4 years now and i must say he is a stand up gent who has always been a pleasure to deal with. we have become great friends over the years and i have nothing but respect for him. -jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 22 lines The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same

> > The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same > > thing. Lots > > of slow pads and crunchy beats. nothing really stood out to me, even > > compared to other artists that employ the same thing (like > > Phonem who even > > has a similar name). Those other artists seem to put more of > > their own > > spin on it. Proem just seems to be going through the motions. > > > > Of course, I think his fans would argue that he goes through > > those motions > > *really well*. Which is valid -- it's ok to strive for a > > certain sound > > that fits well within what people are expecting, and do it > > really well. > > There are a lot of people who like that kind of sound and > > proem hits it > > pretty dead on. > > hm, this is pretty close to what I was thinking > about freeform when I heard the latest ep, although > I'd also be among those who'd argue for it as a fan.

I'd not heard significant amounts of Freeform before Wildcat, but surely mild Tom Waits pastiche (Gone and Left the City) isn't /completely/ generic. The rest is slightly more par for the course, although Skim + Skitter is impressively well done. What would you suggest that's in a similar vein / has a similar feel but less 'going throught the motions?' David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Speaking of proem... Proem will be in Seattle on Saturday June 19th at the Mantra Lounge (210 South Washington St). http://nwtekno.org/vb/showthread.php?threadid=71481 Don't discuss it, just come see for yourself. And it only be $7. Yah, Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org