sounds like mr. shields hasnt listened to much modern classical music at all.
i feel sorry for him. he's missing out on a lot of great music and touching
music at that.
maybe he is not so open as you might think. i think there are truths and beauty
to be found in all types of music, and that includes an "ultimately cold music"
like modern classical music. to instantly block out a form of music or certain
sounds because of a prejudice or bias is a really unhealthy thing to do. we
should approach all music and sound with an open mind and ears and then make
judgements after weve experienced alot of music. we all are going to like what
we like for our own particular reasons but i think more people need to get out
of their boxes, labels, genres, and/or cliques and discover music for what it
is, a beautiful world of sounds that exists in many different forms and styles.
its funny that mr. shields mentions wagner as being too complicated or
intellectual, when wagner was one of the most overtly expressionist composers
ever.
and as far as i have heard, MBV sounds alot closer to prog rock than any kind
of folk music.
oh well, i wont dwell any longer on this one. but the interview below is
spouting some crap. although some points he makes are fine.
sorry if im already preaching to the converted. but for those of you who only
listen solely to IDM or any one kind of music, keep exploring other kinds of
music, you will find alot of beautiful stuff out there.
amen,
greg davis
autumn records
http://www.amug.org/~jkdavis/autumn
p.s. if you are going to argue with me or whatnot, spare the people on the list
and send me private email.
quoted 9 lines I don't know if I follow your question, but basically I don't like shying
> I don't know if I follow your question, but basically I don't like shying
> away from technology on principle, but after all this time I've come to a
> certain conclusion on technology and where it's not worth dealing with. Some
> of it is not worth dealing with because it seems to pull people in a certain
> area, and that area is slightly cold. Technology is capable of producing a
> human, warm music. Whatever you can imagine, technology can do it. But the
> methods in which you have to use the stuff, all the computers and stuff,
> it's so unmusical it's unreal. I see it as the same problem as why a lot of
> classical music is ultimately cold music: it doesn't touch people.
the above line is pretty funny. its funny because i see people crying at
performances of schubert pieces, etc. hmmmmmm.................
quoted 4 lines Why is it
> Why is it
> always that essentially folk music, from jazz to whatever experimental,
> avant-garde rock music, is ultimately a kind of folk music, it feeds into
> one area and ultimately influences itself?
as does classical music.
quoted 4 lines Whereas avant-garde classical
> Whereas avant-garde classical
> music, or straight orchestra-based music, it seems like very few people are
> able to come along and do something that touches people in a big way. I
> think it's because of the way they do it.
so i guess takemitsu, ligeti, carter, reich, cage, feldman, varese,
stockhausen, webern, messiaen, ives, schoenberg, etc. dont touch people in a
big way. maybe not masses of people. but modern composers touch alot of people
especially when they are listened to with open minds.feldman's music has
changed my life. so i guess his music has touched me greatly.
im sure alot of modern composers have "touched" more people than MBV.
quoted 2 lines When there's too much intellect
> When there's too much intellect
> involved, I think it's ultimately dead.
i agree. but no composer is every composing from pure intellect. personal
decisions have to be made as a composer all the time.
quoted 4 lines It can impress people, in a Wagner
> It can impress people, in a Wagner
> way, complicated, but it's boring! Kind of like progressive rock! It keeps
> on going wrong; people get into a progressive rock state of mind and justify
> what they do by monumental sort of achievements.
this is true, music isnt about showing off. but i would say that someone like
wagner is not only impressive but also some of the richest art in terms of
expressionist music.
quoted 4 lines Ultimately all music,
> Ultimately all music,
> whether the people know it or not, is very culturally influenced and
> socially influenced. Otherwise music wouldn't sound so different all over
> the world.
well thats quite obvious.
quoted 8 lines KUCI 1996
> KUCI 1996
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