Kind of agree with you here. From memory MBV were an "indie" band from the
late eighties. So they have bought some samplers and started doing
something different with their guitars, so what? Its the path of most bored
rock bands. And the important point is I dont need some rock band preaching
to me what is good and not good about technology used in music. The
freshest sound at any one point, to me, is the 18 year old kid with a new
sampler and drum machine. It always was and always will be.
As for classical, Satie did not move? It moves me more than anything.
Oh well, I guess I got my MBV question answered.
----- Original Message -----
From: greg davis <gdavis@gis.net>
To: Giles Ward <gilesw@globalnet.co.uk>; <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: (idm) mbv - my bloody valentine
quoted 1 line sounds like mr. shields hasnt listened to much modern classical music at
> sounds like mr. shields hasnt listened to much modern classical music at
all.
quoted 1 line i feel sorry for him. he's missing out on a lot of great music and
> i feel sorry for him. he's missing out on a lot of great music and
touching
quoted 2 lines music at that.
> music at that.
> maybe he is not so open as you might think. i think there are truths and
beauty
quoted 1 line to be found in all types of music, and that includes an "ultimately cold
> to be found in all types of music, and that includes an "ultimately cold
music"
quoted 1 line like modern classical music. to instantly block out a form of music or
> like modern classical music. to instantly block out a form of music or
certain
quoted 1 line sounds because of a prejudice or bias is a really unhealthy thing to do.
> sounds because of a prejudice or bias is a really unhealthy thing to do.
we
quoted 1 line should approach all music and sound with an open mind and ears and then
> should approach all music and sound with an open mind and ears and then
make
quoted 1 line judgements after weve experienced alot of music. we all are going to like
> judgements after weve experienced alot of music. we all are going to like
what
quoted 1 line we like for our own particular reasons but i think more people need to get
> we like for our own particular reasons but i think more people need to get
out
quoted 1 line of their boxes, labels, genres, and/or cliques and discover music for what
> of their boxes, labels, genres, and/or cliques and discover music for what
it
quoted 1 line is, a beautiful world of sounds that exists in many different forms and
> is, a beautiful world of sounds that exists in many different forms and
styles.
quoted 3 lines its funny that mr. shields mentions wagner as being too complicated or
>
> its funny that mr. shields mentions wagner as being too complicated or
> intellectual, when wagner was one of the most overtly expressionist
composers
quoted 2 lines ever.
> ever.
> and as far as i have heard, MBV sounds alot closer to prog rock than any
kind
quoted 5 lines of folk music.
> of folk music.
>
> oh well, i wont dwell any longer on this one. but the interview below is
> spouting some crap. although some points he makes are fine.
> sorry if im already preaching to the converted. but for those of you who
only
quoted 1 line listen solely to IDM or any one kind of music, keep exploring other kinds
> listen solely to IDM or any one kind of music, keep exploring other kinds
of
quoted 8 lines music, you will find alot of beautiful stuff out there.
> music, you will find alot of beautiful stuff out there.
>
> amen,
> greg davis
> autumn records
> http://www.amug.org/~jkdavis/autumn
>
> p.s. if you are going to argue with me or whatnot, spare the people on the
list
quoted 4 lines and send me private email.
> and send me private email.
>
>
> > I don't know if I follow your question, but basically I don't like
shying
quoted 1 line away from technology on principle, but after all this time I've come to
> > away from technology on principle, but after all this time I've come to
a
quoted 1 line certain conclusion on technology and where it's not worth dealing with.
> > certain conclusion on technology and where it's not worth dealing with.
Some
quoted 1 line of it is not worth dealing with because it seems to pull people in a
> > of it is not worth dealing with because it seems to pull people in a
certain
quoted 1 line area, and that area is slightly cold. Technology is capable of producing
> > area, and that area is slightly cold. Technology is capable of producing
a
quoted 1 line human, warm music. Whatever you can imagine, technology can do it. But
> > human, warm music. Whatever you can imagine, technology can do it. But
the
quoted 2 lines methods in which you have to use the stuff, all the computers and stuff,
> > methods in which you have to use the stuff, all the computers and stuff,
> > it's so unmusical it's unreal. I see it as the same problem as why a lot
of
quoted 8 lines classical music is ultimately cold music: it doesn't touch people.
> > classical music is ultimately cold music: it doesn't touch people.
>
> the above line is pretty funny. its funny because i see people crying at
> performances of schubert pieces, etc. hmmmmmm.................
>
> > Why is it
> > always that essentially folk music, from jazz to whatever experimental,
> > avant-garde rock music, is ultimately a kind of folk music, it feeds
into
quoted 6 lines one area and ultimately influences itself?
> > one area and ultimately influences itself?
>
> as does classical music.
>
> > Whereas avant-garde classical
> > music, or straight orchestra-based music, it seems like very few people
are
quoted 5 lines able to come along and do something that touches people in a big way. I
> > able to come along and do something that touches people in a big way. I
> > think it's because of the way they do it.
>
> so i guess takemitsu, ligeti, carter, reich, cage, feldman, varese,
> stockhausen, webern, messiaen, ives, schoenberg, etc. dont touch people in
a
quoted 1 line big way. maybe not masses of people. but modern composers touch alot of
> big way. maybe not masses of people. but modern composers touch alot of
people
quoted 13 lines especially when they are listened to with open minds.feldman's music has
> especially when they are listened to with open minds.feldman's music has
> changed my life. so i guess his music has touched me greatly.
>
> im sure alot of modern composers have "touched" more people than MBV.
>
> > When there's too much intellect
> > involved, I think it's ultimately dead.
>
> i agree. but no composer is every composing from pure intellect. personal
> decisions have to be made as a composer all the time.
>
> > It can impress people, in a Wagner
> > way, complicated, but it's boring! Kind of like progressive rock! It
keeps
quoted 1 line on going wrong; people get into a progressive rock state of mind and
> > on going wrong; people get into a progressive rock state of mind and
justify
quoted 3 lines what they do by monumental sort of achievements.
> > what they do by monumental sort of achievements.
>
> this is true, music isnt about showing off. but i would say that someone
like
quoted 6 lines wagner is not only impressive but also some of the richest art in terms of
> wagner is not only impressive but also some of the richest art in terms of
> expressionist music.
>
> > Ultimately all music,
> > whether the people know it or not, is very culturally influenced and
> > socially influenced. Otherwise music wouldn't sound so different all
over
quoted 21 lines the world.
> > the world.
>
> well thats quite obvious.
>
> > KUCI 1996
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