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quoted 3 lines Puff daddy has money and crystal---- thats it! He is not a mc,

>Puff daddy has money and crystal---- thats it! He is not a mc, >and he is for sure not a producer. He gives a bad name to hip hop and the >art of sampling in my book

*And* he's got a stupid name! <><><><> On another subject - people who put now playing messages on their posts - everyone knows idmers listen to Autechre, Black Dog etc etc. How about replacing (or adding to) np with a lnt-lp - Last Not This-Listy Played message - so we can see what else everyone is into. <><><><> New purchases - Plastikman - Sickness/Panikattack PanikAttack is better than sickness I reckon - nice minimal funky four four stuff Sickness is kind of odd. (P.S. If anyone has any of the concept series they want to offload , except the first one - get in touch!) Pulp Fusion - compilation from Watford, England - (Hey thats near where I used to live!) Subtitled Funky Jazz and Original Breaks from the Tough Side, this is some seriously funky shit - seventies jazz, funk and soul from the likes of Herbie Hancock, Minnie Ripperton, and a bunch of others. 3 piece vinyl 12 tracks all of which guaranteed to get you moving. Ooh those funky flutes! (Hey can you use the word funk more often, please!) <><><><><>

quoted 2 lines and a constant rhythm would be considered primeval rather than

>and a constant rhythm would be considered primeval rather than >transcendental.

These two aren't mutually exclusive <><><><><>

quoted 1 line have any of the UK IDMers out there heard Boymerang's dj sets?

>have any of the UK IDMers out there heard Boymerang's dj sets?

It was a while back at the Big Chill in Brixton last summer. As I recall it was pretty hard techstep all the way.

quoted 1 line I gather he's coming to Boston

>I gather he's coming to Boston

When? Cheers, Andrew C. lnt-lp : Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (Impulse) - fully psychedelic music from the depths of the forest.

quoted 3 lines everyone knows idmers listen to Autechre, Black Dog etc etc. How

> everyone knows idmers listen to Autechre, Black Dog etc etc. How > about replacing (or adding to) np with a lnt-lp - Last Not This-Listy Played > message - so we can see what else everyone is into.

Ok... I'll bite... just to make you all scream. lnt-lp: Evita soundtrack (Madonna at her finest!). -- jr

At 12:42 PM 10/2/97 -0400, Guy Elden wrote:

quoted 2 lines everyone knows idmers listen to Autechre, Black Dog etc etc. How

>> everyone knows idmers listen to Autechre, Black Dog etc etc. How >> about replacing (or adding to) np with a lnt-lp - Last Not This-Listy

Played

quoted 8 lines message - so we can see what else everyone is into.

>> message - so we can see what else everyone is into. > >Ok... I'll bite... just to make you all scream. > >lnt-lp: Evita soundtrack (Madonna at her finest!). > >-- >jr

shouldn't you apologize for that? lnt-lp : sunny day real estate 'diary' - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "i know it's only his body & all that's in the cemetary, & his soul's in heaven and all that crap, but i couldn't stand it anyway. i just wish he wasn't there. you didn't know him. if you'd known him, you'd know what i mean. it's not too bad when the sun's out, but the sun only comes out when it feels like coming out." - holden caulfield

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Andrew Cowper wrote:

quoted 4 lines On another subject - people who put now playing messages on their posts -

> On another subject - people who put now playing messages on their posts - > everyone knows idmers listen to Autechre, Black Dog etc etc. How > about replacing (or adding to) np with a lnt-lp - Last Not This-Listy Played > message - so we can see what else everyone is into.

All righty then: lnt-lp: Anners Bylsma's recording of the Bach cello suites. Divine. Will make you want to curl up and die within two minutes. J ________ \ / | "Who's Martha Stewart?" H. James Harkins | "She writes picture books about gracious living." jharkins@acpub.duke.edu | \/ | - from _Jeffrey_ "If we keep our attention focused on the present, we can be sure of one thing, namely that whatever we are attending to in this moment will change..." -- Jon Kabat-Zinn

Okay, all you IDM folks... maybe you can all be so kind as to help out someone who's a newcomer to this list. I'm relatively not very knowledgeable about IDMish music. I've liked electronic dance music for a long time, starting with the late '80s with Nitzer Ebb and Meat Beat Manifesto which was then called "industrial," and then in '94 I got into stuff like the Orb and FSOL. And I've got a few thislisty CDs, like Coldcut, Photek, and Spacetime Continuum. However, IDM may be a part of my musical tastes, but it's not the primary focus. Guitar-based indie rock and punk rock has always held a slight edge over synth/DJ-based music in my listening preferences, and that's still the case now. So, I don't know how knowledgable about IDM you'd consider me - I'm certainly much more so than your typical mainstream listener who likes Nirvana or Alanis or Hootie, for sure, but I'm completely out of the loop compared to most of the people here who talk about Warp Records and Plaid. So, my question is: what do you recommend to me for essential IDMish CD's? For your reference, here are those electronic-music (not all of which are really all that IDMish) CD's I already have and like... - FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON, Lifeforms *and* Dead Cities - ORB, Live 93 *and* Orbus Terrarum - TECHNO ANIMAL, Re-Entry (and by the way, to the person who posted about that, I had little trouble finding it in stock at Other Music in NYC. I can't imagine that Tower Records wouldn't stock it, either, unless it's just very recently gone out of print.) - KEN ISHII, Jelly Tones - SCORN, Colossus - MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO, 99% *and* Subliminal Sandwich (fucking *brilliant* album, by the way! It just does wonders for my mindstate. One of my fave albums of the last several years and I thought it was a damn shame it didn't get more respect!) - MUSLIMGAUZE, Vote Hezbollah - LTJ BUKEM, Logical Progression - SPACETIME CONTINUUM, Emit Ecaps - PHOTEK, Modus Operandi - COLDCUT, Let Us Play - CHEMICAL BROTHERS, Exit Planet Dust *and* Dig Your Own Hole So tell me, what CDs should I be adding to the above list? You can email me privately if you wish to avoid adding clutter to the list. Thank you in advance for your feedback, - John

quoted 5 lines So, my question is: what do you recommend to me for essential IDMish CD's?

> So, my question is: what do you recommend to me for essential IDMish CD's? > > For your reference, here are those electronic-music (not all of which are > really all that IDMish) CD's I already have and like... >

quoted 1 line - KEN ISHII, Jelly Tones

> - KEN ISHII, Jelly Tones

I find this very bland.

quoted 1 line - SCORN, Colossus

> - SCORN, Colossus

Not very representative of what's being done now. Evanesence is a rather good album as is the remix album of this Ellipsis. I've sort of lost touch with them after Gyral.

quoted 4 lines - MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO, 99% *and* Subliminal Sandwich (fucking *brilliant*

> - MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO, 99% *and* Subliminal Sandwich (fucking *brilliant* > album, by the way! It just does wonders for my mindstate. One of my fave > albums of the last several years and I thought it was a damn shame it > didn't get more respect!)

Definitely look out Satyricon (the album that got me started in IDM, especially the remixes by Orbital and Aphex Twin of Mindstream).

quoted 3 lines So tell me, what CDs should I be adding to the above list?

> > So tell me, what CDs should I be adding to the above list? >

I'd also recommend adding some Black Dog to that list. You've probably seen that opinions differ on the list to which is the best album but they appear to differ in between Bytes and Spanners.

quoted 4 lines Thank you in advance for your feedback,

> > Thank you in advance for your feedback, > - John >

Tim One tequila Two tequila Three tequila Floor

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Tim Fothergill wrote:

quoted 3 lines - KEN ISHII, Jelly Tones

> > - KEN ISHII, Jelly Tones > > I find this very bland.

I find it enthralling. Cocoa Mousse is brilliant. Indeed, the thumpyness of the kicks take a bite from your tolerance tablet, but Ishii soup is way flavor. How do the FLARE releases compare to this and other namesake releases, garden of the palm, tangled notes, utu? Teep np: cure - entreat (for a rainy boston friday afternoon)

quoted 7 lines - KEN ISHII, Jelly Tones

> > > - KEN ISHII, Jelly Tones > > > > I find this very bland. > > I find it enthralling. Cocoa Mousse is brilliant. Indeed, the > thumpyness of the kicks take a bite from your tolerance tablet, but > Ishii soup is way flavor.

It's not really the thumpyness that gets me, it could almost do with being more thumpy in places. It just strikes me as being an aural equivalent of caster oil.

quoted 6 lines Teep

> > Teep > > np: cure - entreat (for a rainy boston friday afternoon) > >

Tim last on non-idm: home-made comp of Christian Death tracks featuring Gitane de Mone (wonderful voice) last on idm: Speedy J - Public Energy No.1 (Again) If you want to be thought a liar, always tell the truth

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Tim Fothergill wrote: } > So, my question is: what do you recommend to me for essential IDMish CD's? } > } > For your reference, here are those electronic-music (not all of which are } > really all that IDMish) CD's I already have and like... } > } } > - KEN ISHII, Jelly Tones } } I find this very bland. Bah. Listen to the "Endless Season" track again. That cut is brilliant -- a true IDM classic even, IMO. The rest of the album doesn't quite reach the mark of that one unfortunately, though. | E r i c | [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu | | F r a n s | [web] http://engr.arizona.edu/~franse | "The comfort you demanded is now mandatory!" - Jello Biafra on: Metamatics - "Skunk Me"

I'm amazed you've not got any Orbital. I thought just about everyone was into something of theirs. Try the brown album from '93 or last year's Snivilisation. And seeing as you (presumably) like the Coldcut album, then it's worth trying some of the Ninja Tune comps. It might be a good idea to try out Flux Trax, a double CD of classic techno (is it still OK to call it techno?). Jon Jon Green zcapn33@ucl.ac.uk "Keep hens from fencing with hen fencing from Roberts' Hen Fencing"

At 11:54 PM 10/3/97 +0000, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines I'm amazed you've not got any Orbital. I thought just about everyone was

>I'm amazed you've not got any Orbital. I thought just about everyone was >into something of theirs. Try the brown album from '93 or last year's >Snivilisation. And seeing as you (presumably) like the Coldcut album, then

Last year's "Snivilisation"? I think you mean last year's "In Sides". The brown album is good but not essential.

quoted 3 lines it's worth trying some of the Ninja Tune comps. It might be a good idea to

>it's worth trying some of the Ninja Tune comps. It might be a good idea to >try out Flux Trax, a double CD of classic techno (is it still OK to call it >techno?).

Here's my essential list if anyone cares anymore: (it's a bit well... everyone knows these albums, and I veer more towards ambient influenced stuff) 1. Brian Eno--Instrumental Box Set 2. Orb--Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld 3. Aphex Twin--Selected Ambient Works 85-92 4. Mu-Ziq--Bluff Limbo 5. Autechre--Amber (and jeers to whoever said this was "soulless") 6. Kraftwerk--Computer World 7. Squarepusher--Feed Me Weird Things 8. FSOL--Lifeforms 9. 808 State--90 10. Polygon Window--Surfing on Sine Waves Respect, Rusty

quoted 2 lines everyone knows idmers listen to Autechre, Black Dog etc etc. How

> everyone knows idmers listen to Autechre, Black Dog etc etc. How > about replacing (or adding to) np with a lnt-lp - Last Not This-Listy

Played

quoted 1 line message - so we can see what else everyone is into.

> message - so we can see what else everyone is into.

Funny you mention it... OnEarlierThisMorning: Puff Daddy - =No Way Out= (you gotta admit it, the man knows hooks; anyway, most of hip-hop nowadays is a big cash-in [e.g. Master P.]) Missy Misdemeanor Elliot - =Supa Dupa Fly= (I don't care what you think about Puff, but Missy is for real; she does it all: rapping, singing, writing, directing videos [!]) Frank Sinatra (W/ Red Norvo Quintet) - =Live in Australia 1959= (Frank never fails to bring a shiver to my spine, though the sound quality is a tad shabby.] Mel Tormé - =Tormé= (Probably my favorite vocalist, period. You think Coldcut and the like know rhythm; Mel could beat 'em all in his prime, during the '50s. And oooh, that voice!) -------------- SoundsFromMyHi-Fi. -------------- JohnBush.

quoted 4 lines OnEarlierThisMorning:

> OnEarlierThisMorning: > > Puff Daddy - =No Way Out= (you gotta admit it, the man knows hooks; anyway, > most of hip-hop nowadays is a big cash-in [e.g. Master P.])

Well I gotta admit that I've seriously lost touch with rap/hip-hop in the last 5 or 6 years - haven't bought a disc in the genre since the second Cypress Hill - but everything I've heard that this Puff Daddy guy has been involved in has sounded pretty crappy to me. On the other hand, I read a review of this Master P guy that makes it sound like he's the real shit, so...

quoted 3 lines Frank Sinatra (W/ Red Norvo Quintet) - =Live in Australia 1959= (Frank

> Frank Sinatra (W/ Red Norvo Quintet) - =Live in Australia 1959= (Frank > never fails to bring a shiver to my spine, though the sound quality is a > tad shabby.]

Fuck yeah, Frank's the man! Even despite the sound glitches, this album is da bomb.

quoted 3 lines Mel Torm? - =Torm?= (Probably my favorite vocalist, period. You think

> Mel Torm? - =Torm?= (Probably my favorite vocalist, period. You think > Coldcut and the like know rhythm; Mel could beat 'em all in his prime, > during the '50s. And oooh, that voice!)

Went to see Mel a couple of years back, and even though he can't hit all the high notes any more, he still had it goin' on. Glad I saw him when I did, too, since he's apparently pretty ill. Anyway, here's my contribution to this thread of recent non-IDM purchases: Smash Mouth [actually, my girlfriend bought it, but it's pretty rockin'] V/A - Ultra-Lounge: Wild Cool & Swinging Too [and a couple others from the latest batch of six] Royal Crown Revue - "The Kings of Gangster Bop" [excellent nouveau-jump-swing stuff that I discovered in Boston - and it was recorded in '91 well before the whole "lounge" craze hit] I'm sure there's more, but I'm drawing a blank... Greg

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Greg Clow wrote:

quoted 7 lines OnEarlierThisMorning:

> > OnEarlierThisMorning: > > Puff Daddy - =No Way Out= (you gotta admit it, the man knows hooks; anyway, > > most of hip-hop nowadays is a big cash-in [e.g. Master P.]) > > Well I gotta admit that I've seriously lost touch with rap/hip-hop in the > last 5 or 6 years - haven't bought a disc in the genre since the second > Cypress Hill

It's been slow. Most of the Wu-Tang Clan and associated projects (Method Man, Ol' Dirty Bastard, Chef Raekwon, Genius/GZA) are well-worth checking out. Most of the tracks are produced by The RZA. I didn't like Ghostface's album as much. Also there's Killarmy, with tracks produced mainly by 4th Disciple (RZA protege it would appear). DJ Muggs' (Cypress Hill) solo/comp project was a step forward. Dr. Octagon, on the Mo'Wax / insane-abstract-scientific tip, is quite good if a little hit-and-miss (produced by The Automator). I was impressed by Hyaenas in the Desert, too, on Chuck D's label. --Mark

At 01:28 PM 10/2/97 -0400, John Bush wrote:

quoted 5 lines Missy Misdemeanor Elliot - =Supa Dupa Fly= (I don't care what you think

> >Missy Misdemeanor Elliot - =Supa Dupa Fly= (I don't care what you think >about Puff, but Missy is for real; she does it all: rapping, singing, >writing, directing videos [!]) >

ha ha ha. she didn't TOTALLY rip off that "i can't stand the rain" song. it's an older r&b number. she just stole it. a lot like puff daddy. scrore another for commercial hiphop. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "i know it's only his body & all that's in the cemetary, & his soul's in heaven and all that crap, but i couldn't stand it anyway. i just wish he wasn't there. you didn't know him. if you'd known him, you'd know what i mean. it's not too bad when the sun's out, but the sun only comes out when it feels like coming out." - holden caulfield

In a message dated 97-10-02 17:58:36 EDT, you write: << It's been slow. Most of the Wu-Tang Clan and associated projects (Method Man, Ol' Dirty Bastard, Chef Raekwon, Genius/GZA) are well-worth checking out. Most of the tracks are produced by The RZA. I didn't like Ghostface's album as much. Also there's Killarmy, with tracks produced mainly by 4th Disciple (RZA protege it would appear). DJ Muggs' (Cypress Hill) solo/comp project was a step forward. Dr. Octagon, on the Mo'Wax / insane-abstract-scientific tip, is quite good if a little hit-and-miss (produced by The Automator). I was impressed by Hyaenas in the Desert, too, on Chuck D's label. >> Also anything by the gangstarr foundation(gangstarr, group home, jeru the damaja) is genius. All produced by dj Premier. I would also agree that it has been slow in the hip hop world as of late. It seems like the only good records that have been coming out have been by established acts(wu, gangstarr, de la, tribe, krs 1, and others). I haven't heard any new artists worth talking about. Hopefully the new gravediggaz album will be tight. PEACERS

quoted 6 lines Frank Sinatra (W/ Red Norvo Quintet) - =Live in Australia 1959= (Frank

>> Frank Sinatra (W/ Red Norvo Quintet) - =Live in Australia 1959= (Frank >> never fails to bring a shiver to my spine, though the sound quality is a >> tad shabby.] > >Fuck yeah, Frank's the man! Even despite the sound glitches, this album is >da bomb.

Seconded (or thirded or whatever :) ). A very fine Big Frank lp (not that it could easily rival the four ultra-lush downbeat classics of "No One Cares", "In the Wee Small Hours", "Where Are You?", and "Only the Lonely" but it is up there for me). His monologue and varied outbursts are very enlightning - plus for a month or so whenever my Mac has stressed out it is with a marvellous "Nobody sleeps in this act Freddy" sample from this lp that I'll not tire of quickly... Rubyjune. lnt-lp: 'Shleep' - Robert Wyatt

Mark Kolmar wrote:

quoted 4 lines It's been slow. Most of the Wu-Tang Clan and associated projects (Method

> It's been slow. Most of the Wu-Tang Clan and associated projects (Method > Man, Ol' Dirty Bastard, Chef Raekwon, Genius/GZA) are well-worth checking > out. Most of the tracks are produced by The RZA. I didn't like > Ghostface's album as much. Also there's Killarmy, with tracks produced

Gotta second that. Wu-Tang's top notch - fuck that "too much hype for the new LP" shit I see in some magazine articles. All the Wu MCs have much style. Don't forget MC Solaar (although I'm not sure about "Paradisiaque" quite yet), I also have a fond spot for the Fugees too. GD

Hey everyone! Let's talk about everything BUT what this list is dedicated to! Great idea.