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1997-05-06 19:22not UV active (idm) radio mix
└─ 1997-05-07 02:32Re: (idm) Ae radio mix
1997-05-06 19:43MAKER OF ALL CAPS Re: (idm) radio mix
1997-05-06 21:34Miles Egan Re: (idm) radio mix
└─ 1997-05-06 22:40Brett McCormick Re: (idm) radio mix
└─ 1997-05-06 23:03Emanuel Borsboom Re: (idm) radio mix
1997-05-06 21:44Chris Fahey RE: (idm) radio mix
1997-05-07 01:51Miles Egan Re: (idm) radio mix
└─ 1997-05-07 09:27g. Re: (idm) radio mix
1997-05-07 13:16Darryl Stephen Roy Re: (idm) radio mix
1997-05-07 13:37Miles Egan Re: (idm) radio mix
1997-05-07 15:24Chris Fahey RE: (idm) radio mix
1997-05-07 16:44Lazlo Nibble RE: (idm) radio mix
└─ 1997-05-07 09:56s.f.w.d. RE: (idm) radio mix - THE END RESULT
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1997-05-06 19:22not UV activeAfter listening to a copy of the .ra file, I think that all y'all have severely over-rated
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After listening to a copy of the .ra file, I think that all y'all have severely over-rated "radio MiX." Not that it's bad, but it's definitely not worth the trouble of burning it to CD. Funny how if you make something "limited edition" everyone's so eager to get a copy of it... I've done it, and will prolly do it again... May Commodities Rule Us for Evermore. Retrospectively, I think those who indescretely announced their intentions of burning a/o copying the work should be threatened with legal action. Of course, I really don't want anyone to get in trouble, but I think that people who flagrantly incriminate themselves are silly & should get some negative feedback for their voices of impunity. Why do we have copy right laws? The Man Has Spoken through Me & That's the way it is sometimes, Kalib consume(r) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Kalib Kersh <--snail page--> 909/715-7480 PO Box 578 <--box Claremont, CA 91711 <--city Here, today, tomorrow, next week! kkersh@pomona.edu <--email w^3--> http://pom-vms1.pomona.edu/~kkersh/
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1997-05-07 02:32sanvara@gte.netAt 12:22 PM 5/6/97 -0700, not UV active wrote: >Retrospectively, I think those who indescr
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At 12:22 PM 5/6/97 -0700, not UV active wrote: >Retrospectively, I think those who indescretely announced their intentions of
quoted 1 line burning a/o copying the work should be threatened with legal action. Of>burning a/o copying the work should be threatened with legal action. Of
course,
quoted 2 lines I really don't want anyone to get in trouble, but I think that people who>I really don't want anyone to get in trouble, but I think that people who >flagrantly incriminate themselves are silly & should get some negative
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quoted 1 line for their voices of impunity.>for their voices of impunity.
Yeah right. I'm converting and burning one copy of the real audio file onto CD for my own personal listening pleasure. Feel free to threaten me with legal action :p T.
1997-05-06 19:43MAKER OF ALL CAPSKKERSH said: >Retrospectively, I think those who indescretely announced their intentions o
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Tue, 06 May 1997 14:43:00 -0500 (CDT)
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KKERSH said:
quoted 2 lines Retrospectively, I think those who indescretely announced their intentions of>Retrospectively, I think those who indescretely announced their intentions of >burning a/o copying the work should be threatened with legal action. Of
course,
quoted 2 lines I really don't want anyone to get in trouble, but I think that people who>I really don't want anyone to get in trouble, but I think that people who >flagrantly incriminate themselves are silly & should get some negative
feedback
quoted 1 line for their voices of impunity.>for their voices of impunity.
My, what a noble view. But I'm curious, Kalib; what happened since yesterday when you sent me this message entitled "Returning the burn:"?
quoted 4 lines I'll burn something for you, if you burn a Radio Mix for me...>I'll burn something for you, if you burn a Radio Mix for me... > > >Kalib
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1997-05-06 21:34Miles Egan>Retrospectively, I think those who indescretely announced their intentions of >burning a/
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quoted 6 lines Retrospectively, I think those who indescretely announced their intentions of>Retrospectively, I think those who indescretely announced their intentions of >burning a/o copying the work should be threatened with legal action. Of course, >I really don't want anyone to get in trouble, but I think that people who >flagrantly incriminate themselves are silly & should get some negative >feedback >for their voices of impunity.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but AFAIK this is not a violation of copyright law as long as the copies are not sold for money. Does anyone here know for sure? I don't understanding why this is so offensive. It's very common for fans of other groups to share/trade boots of live shows and radio broadcasts; why not Ae? I'd buy it if I could, but, as it's not for sale, I'll download the RA file. I'm sure I'd be taping or trading tapes if the same music had been on the radio. Anyone who's had a look at the mountain of Warp disks I've got at home knows I'm not trying to deny them any due profits. Miles
1997-05-06 22:40Brett McCormickThe RA file is still available for download? Would you share the location with us? thanks
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Tue, 6 May 1997 15:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
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The RA file is still available for download? Would you share the location with us? thanks in advance..... On Tue, 6 May 1997, at 14:34:46, Miles Egan wrote:
quoted 11 lines I don't understanding why this is so offensive. It's very common for fans> I don't understanding why this is so offensive. It's very common for fans > of other groups to share/trade boots of live shows and radio broadcasts; > why not Ae? I'd buy it if I could, but, as it's not for sale, I'll > download the RA file. I'm sure I'd be taping or trading tapes if the same > music had been on the radio. Anyone who's had a look at the mountain of > Warp disks I've got at home knows I'm not trying to deny them any due > profits. > > Miles > >
1997-05-06 23:03Emanuel Borsboom> The RA file is still available for download? Would you share the > location with us? I h
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quoted 2 lines The RA file is still available for download? Would you share the> The RA file is still available for download? Would you share the > location with us?
I have a copy at ftp://zerius.victoria.bc.ca/pub/audio/ae_radio.ra
1997-05-06 21:44Chris FaheyWell, not that I agree with the law, but you're pretty much not allowed to copy copyrighte
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Tue, 6 May 1997 17:44:38 -0400
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Well, not that I agree with the law, but you're pretty much not allowed to copy copyrighted stuff *period*, except when you need to make a point about something, like if you were a journalist or a lawyer or something, or if you just want a backup or some other kind of what is known as "fair use". I'm not a lawyer, but I do know that the general rule of thumb is "you can't copy anything at all", unless you are an anti-copyright activist and are willing to stand up to the consequences. You see, the point is that even if you copy something and give it away for free, you are still stealing because the person you gave it to now doesn't have to actually buy it, robbing the artist of potential money. The fact that a) the disk in question has limited availability and b) warp is a cool label probably means you can copy to your hearts content (within reason - don't start up a company called Worp and sell Afecks Twinn and O'tekra albums). You're probably (effectively) safe, but still, legally, you would lose. -CF
quoted 18 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: cullen@sirius.com > > Subject: Re: (idm) radio mix > ...this is not a violation of copyright law as > long as the copies are not sold for money. Does anyone here know for > sure? > > I don't understanding why this is so offensive. It's very common for > fans > of other groups to share/trade boots of live shows and radio > broadcasts; > why not Ae? I'd buy it if I could, but, as it's not for sale, I'll > download the RA file. I'm sure I'd be taping or trading tapes if the > same > music had been on the radio. > >
1997-05-07 01:51Miles EganChris Fahey wrote: > Well, not that I agree with the law, but you're pretty much not > all
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Tue, 06 May 1997 18:51:53 -0700
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Chris Fahey wrote:
quoted 12 lines Well, not that I agree with the law, but you're pretty much not> Well, not that I agree with the law, but you're pretty much not > allowed > to copy copyrighted stuff *period*, except when you need to make a > point > about something, like if you were a journalist or a lawyer or > something, > or if you just want a backup or some other kind of what is known as > "fair use". I'm not a lawyer, but I do know that the general rule of > > thumb is "you can't copy anything at all", unless you are an > anti-copyright activist and are willing to stand up to the > consequences.
It's not that simple. We've been over this on the list already (Laslo?). You CAN copy a disk as much as you want & even give copies away as long as you don't sell them, right? Miles
1997-05-07 09:27g.On Tue, 06 May 1997 18:51:53 -0700, you wrote: >Chris Fahey wrote: > >> Well, not that I a
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On Tue, 06 May 1997 18:51:53 -0700, you wrote:
quoted 18 lines Chris Fahey wrote:>Chris Fahey wrote: > >> Well, not that I agree with the law, but you're pretty much not >> allowed >> to copy copyrighted stuff *period*, except when you need to make a >> point >> about something, like if you were a journalist or a lawyer or >> something, >> or if you just want a backup or some other kind of what is known as >> "fair use". I'm not a lawyer, but I do know that the general rule of >> >> thumb is "you can't copy anything at all", unless you are an >> anti-copyright activist and are willing to stand up to the >> consequences. > >It's not that simple. We've been over this on the list already >(Laslo?). You CAN copy a disk as much as you want & even give copies >away as long as you don't sell them, right?
no not right and people are getting sick of it. g.
1997-05-07 13:16Darryl Stephen RoySince I just obtained a sound card, I'd like an opportunity to judge the merits of the Aut
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Since I just obtained a sound card, I'd like an opportunity to judge the merits of the Autechre netcast myself. Is it still posted anywhere on the net? (FTP or WWW sites) I checked the attractive warp-net site, but to little avail... ersatz@hal-pc.org
1997-05-07 13:37Miles Egan> >It's not that simple. We've been over this on the list already > >(Laslo?). You CAN cop
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quoted 7 lines It's not that simple. We've been over this on the list already> >It's not that simple. We've been over this on the list already > >(Laslo?). You CAN copy a disk as much as you want & even give copies > >away as long as you don't sell them, right? > > no not right and people are getting sick of it. > > g.
Apparently you should re-acquaint yourself with the laws that govern your business, at least in the U.S. Check Laslo's message. If you do ever give this disk a legitimate pressing, I'll be first in line. Miles
1997-05-07 15:24Chris FaheySo Lazlo's a copyright lawyer? I really don't think you could make 10,000 copies of Thrill
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So Lazlo's a copyright lawyer? I really don't think you could make 10,000 copies of Thriller and give them away in front of Tower Records and hope to get away with it. "Fair use" means FAIR use. You can copy something onto a mix tape for your commute to work. You can back something up if you don't want to damage the original copy. You can make copies and give them away to demonstrate what something sounds like. You can quote people in articles and use pictures of famous people in newspapers without their permission. But not much more than that. Besides, I don't think the RIAA has the power to decide what is copyrightable and what is not. It seems a little too blatantly unfair that the RIAA can make a deal to take away copyright protection from every musical release in the US. Industry and government often collude to fuck artists and citizens, but this seems a little too libertarian for the feds. If I make my own pressing of CD's, are you saying they are not subject to copyright protection just because of some deal the RIAA made with the US government? I doubt it. Copyright law is very misunderstood. It is VERY VERY strict, and, *fortunately*, very under-enforced. Technically, I can't sing Happy Birthday without paying some old lady in St. Louis for the rights. Technically, I can't play a CD in a bar unless I pay ASCAP royalties. Technically, you have to pay original artists for ALL the samples you use, even if it's only a half-second sample. Technically, I can't show the Nike logo on my shoes in a motion picture without asking Nike. And technically, you can't make a copy someone else's copyrighted stuff. That's why Kinko's won't photocopy books for you - it's a copyright violation to put a book on a photocopier and press "copy". The only exception I know of is Fair Use, which covers journalists mostly, but also to some degree satirists, essayists and commentators. I dont think "commercial vs.non-profit" purposes has anything to do with it. Of course, I'm not a copyright lawyer either. It's just that I've had copyright lawyers tell me "no way" so many times that I'm sick of it. And misinterpreting the law to reflect my anti-copyright political agenda won't help me win a lawsuit. Wishful thinking won't help you against a media giant legal attack. Again, if you are going to violate copyright, recognize the fact that you are doing it before you do so. Then, go for it! -CF
quoted 16 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Miles Egan > > >It's not that simple. We've been over this on the list already > > >(Laslo?). You CAN copy a disk as much as you want & even give > copies > > >away as long as you don't sell them, right? > > > > no not right and people are getting sick of it. > > > > g. > > Apparently you should re-acquaint yourself with the laws that govern > your business, at least in the U.S. Check Laslo's message. If you do > ever give this disk a legitimate pressing, I'll be first in line. > > Miles
1997-05-07 16:44Lazlo Nibble> So Lazlo's a copyright lawyer? No, but I've at least read the law in question, which you
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quoted 1 line So Lazlo's a copyright lawyer?> So Lazlo's a copyright lawyer?
No, but I've at least read the law in question, which you don't seem to have done: No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings. 17 U.S.C. 1008 In other words: under US copyright law (Title 17) copyright holders do not have the right to sue people for copying their musical recordings unless those recordings are then put to some commercial use. That very clearly covers taping off copies of records for friends and so forth. If you want to try to hide behind it when you give away those 10,000 copies of "Thriller" in front of Tower Records, go right ahead . . . -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists
1997-05-07 09:56s.f.w.d.> In other words: under US copyright law (Title 17) copyright holders do not > have the ri
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quoted 6 lines In other words: under US copyright law (Title 17) copyright holders do not> In other words: under US copyright law (Title 17) copyright holders do not > have the right to sue people for copying their musical recordings unless those > recordings are then put to some commercial use. That very clearly covers > taping off copies of records for friends and so forth. If you want to try to > hide behind it when you give away those 10,000 copies of "Thriller" in front > of Tower Records, go right ahead . . .
The end result will be that Warp will probably NEVER do another RealAudio event like this again... which sucks, fairly hard... The entire reason I never put up bootlegs in RealAudio format is I don't want to piss people off like Warp/etc because the end result is they just won't do this sort of thing again... We have to be sneaky and quiet about such this =) __________________________________________ sfwd@sonic.net LToN DiY Noise.Ambient.Techno.Industrial HomeRecordings & Such 4 Cheap ($3) http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ (add your wasted time to our catalog)