For all I care one should steal any desired records on site. It doesn't
make any difference to me in the end. By keeping any monetary issues out
of the record aquisition process one can avoid getting involved in the
whole record collection/art as a commodity issue.
Drusca
On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Brian Gause wrote:
quoted 106 lines It's nice that you've offered some ideas about where to find this stuff to
>
> It's nice that you've offered some ideas about where to find this stuff to
> whomever asked, but do we really need the moral judgmentalism here?
>
> As long as there has been 'stuff', stuff has been traded second-hand. Way
> back to Greek times...maybe even cavemen traded stuff their brothers and
> friends made. These musicians are artists, not businessmen. If they want to
> argue the point, let's hear it. For my part, I like supporting artists when I
> can, but if stuff is offered second-hand, I'm there...why the hell should I
> spend more if I don't have to? If I want to support an artist, I will...I
> don't need to be told. Perhaps a hundred years from now, we'll look back and
> cringe at the fact that we actually asked people for money to hear our music
> or read our books. Ugh, what an ugly concept.
>
> It's nice that artists can actually GET MONEY for playing around with their
> art, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking they DESERVE it just
> because they want it. Don't think for a minute that the Ae boys are going to
> lose sleep because we didn't buy their latest LP, but instead traded for it.
> And if we're going to start arguing about the relative size of releases and
> label-runs, let's at least realize that we're talking business and not art. I
> don't need to be told to support an artist just because he's on a small label
> that might go belly-up if we don't give them money. Maybe belly-up isn't
> always such a bad thing.
>
> The minute you commodify music (and, by association, art), you cheapen it and
> change it forever...
>
> I don't mean this as a personal attack. You (Drusca) may or may not think
> this deep down and maybe I mistook your words, but your suggestion struck a
> chord with me about this subject. Rereading now, my words may sound a bit
> harsh in response to what was a generally unobtrusive suggestion, so if you
> feel personally attacked, I apologize. I'm not judging you as evil or
> socialist or stupid, but this is rather a rant at the way this list has gone
> in the last few years. Your mail was just the catalyst.
>
> There's been a lot of outrage recently about CDRs and, before that,
> mixtapes...before that it was bootlegs, before that it was copies of tapes
> for friends. This is to all those people who get upset because I have a CDR
> instead of the 'official' copy of some rare release that they find valuable.
> Give up. It's about the music, people, and if you don't understand that
> because you see dollar signs...well, then you just don't understand that.
>
> And to whomever sent the original email looking for music, keep it up. We
> need more REAL musical content on here and less of the crap that this email
> is indicitive of.
>
> ---brian
>
>
> drusca@world.std.com wrote:
>
> > Why don't you try some stores like Other Music, Forced Exposure, Bent
> > Crayon, etc. ?
> >
> > You know, it's a good thing to actually BUY records and show some support
> > for these artists you respect ? It's not like they're putting records out
> > on some evil corporate conglomerate.
> >
> > Drusca
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 BStryder@AOL.COM wrote:
> >
> > > I am looking for any of the following, please contact me off list
> > > Arovane "Atol Scrap" (Din)
> > > B. Fleischmann "Pop Loops for Breakfast" (Morr Music)
> > > ISAN "Digitalis" (Darla)
> > > ISAN "Salamander" (Morr Music)
> > > Leo Anibaldi "Void" (Rephlex)
> > > Mat 101 "Goodbye Mum" (Balance)
> > > Jochem Paap "Vrs mbnt pcs" (FAX)
> > > Jochem Paap "Vrs mbnt pcs II" (FAX)
> > > Solvent "Solvently One Listens" (Suction)
> > > Speedy J & Mu-Ziq "Slag Boom Van Loon" (Planet Mu)
> > > Synectics "The Purple Universe" (Rephlex)
> > > Thug "Isolated Rhythm Chock" CD (Aural Industries)
> > > Vulva "From the Cockpit" (Rephlex)
> > > V/A "Blip, Bleep" (Lucky Kitchen)
> > >
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>
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